US/Obama Healthcare Plan Consolidated MEGA-THREAD

[Treznor]

I think it's a good move. Railroading through the public option would have been an unmitigated political disaster whereas moving towards that system through a gradual series of reforms is far more likely to be successful. The simple truth is that whether for valid or invalid reasons most people didn't want this system and forcing it on them would have produced a backlash with seriously negative consequences in 2010, 2012 and beyond.

Ye gods.

Do you know one of the reasons why Democrats have swept the last two elections? Because they promised reforms like ending the war in Iraq and public health care. I can't imagine they'll do as well in the next few elections if they don't deliver on those promises.

[The_pantless_hero]

I think it's a good move. Railroading through the public option would have been an unmitigated political disaster whereas moving towards that system through a gradual series of reforms is far more likely to be successful. The simple truth is that whether for valid or invalid reasons most people didn't want this system and forcing it on them would have produced a backlash with seriously negative consequences in 2010, 2012 and beyond.

A bunch of idiots yelling at meetings is not "most people." Polls indicate most people want healthcare reform.

[The_pantless_hero]

i cannot fathom why the president would even consider dropping the public option as some kind of bone thrown to the republicans.

they still wont vote for the bill.

I hate to pimp my own stuff but: viewtopic.php?f=20&t=12524

Obama is a centrist to a fault. And either an idiot or in some one' pocket.

[Angleter]

My plan for US healthcare is to continue as status quo, but with a state (not federal- keeps the South happy) fund to pay for procedures not covered under health insurance, and also to pay for the insurance of those who cannot afford it. By blending private quality and universiality the US healthcare system would be the best in the world.

[Treznor]

My plan for US healthcare is to continue as status quo, but with a state (not federal- keeps the South happy) fund to pay for procedures not covered under health insurance, and also to pay for the insurance of those who cannot afford it. By blending private quality and universiality the US healthcare system would be the best in the world.

So...basically...model after most of the public healthcare options found in every other industrialized nations in the world?

[Farnhamia]

My plan for US healthcare is to continue as status quo, but with a state (not federal- keeps the South happy) fund to pay for procedures not covered under health insurance, and also to pay for the insurance of those who cannot afford it. By blending private quality and universiality the US healthcare system would be the best in the world.

And where the hell are the states going to get the money? California had to issue IOUs, fer Pete's sake.

[The_pantless_hero]

My plan for US healthcare is to continue as status quo, but with a state (not federal- keeps the South happy) fund to pay for procedures not covered under health insurance, and also to pay for the insurance of those who cannot afford it. By blending private quality and universiality the US healthcare system would be the best in the world.

The states cannot afford that kind of shit, nor are most of them even inclined to.

[Hawkryl]

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How about sourcing them instead of just listing them?

Read them in our weekly news of the weird column.

Give me a few minutes and I could probably find a whole site full of those.

[Sdaeriji]

It is bad because everyone gets the same healthcare plan.

A lie.

Nobody gets their own modified plan,

A lie.

they have to go with the government plan even if the don't won't to

A lie.

and the national healthcare plan is ultra expensive and will cost taxpayers trillions of dollars.

A lie.

And the economy will crash.

A lie.

That is why national healthcare is terrible for a nation and it economy.

Well, we certainly should believe you based on all these facts you've presented.

[Farnhamia]

My plan for US healthcare is to continue as status quo, but with a state (not federal- keeps the South happy) fund to pay for procedures not covered under health insurance, and also to pay for the insurance of those who cannot afford it. By blending private quality and universiality the US healthcare system would be the best in the world.

So...basically...model after most of the public healthcare options found in every other industrialized nations in the world?

*points* Socialist!

I don't know, this entire thing is depressing the hell out of me. I sometimes wonder whether we won't get the kind of health care system we need in this country until some conservative politician figures out how to propose it without getting Rushed out of office. Maybe only then.

[Hawkryl]

http://trouble.iotashan.com/jokes/stupid-lawsuits.cfm

http://www.lawsuit.no/archive.html

http://www.stuffnthingz.com/info.asp?page=stella

need more?

[Treznor]

http://trouble.iotashan.com/jokes/stupid-lawsuits.cfm

http://www.lawsuit.no/archive.html

http://www.stuffnthingz.com/info.asp?page=stella

need more?

Anything from the BBC? CNN? How about Fox News?

[Chazaka]

Going to have to agree with above(anytime it has /joke in the url I don't think its to terribly reputable) also that green was a horrible design choice for a website...

[The_pantless_hero]

http://trouble.iotashan.com/jokes/stupid-lawsuits.cfm

http://www.lawsuit.no/archive.html

http://www.stuffnthingz.com/info.asp?page=stella

need more?

You are still WILDLY MISSING MY POINT. You aimed for my point and shot a guy in the face. Never mind the fact that none of this explains why your conspiracy theory "sue people who make you sick" isn't all the rage today.

[Space Libertines]

Thank God that the public option might be removed. The so-called "public option" was just a trojan horse from the insurance companies that control the vast majority of the "healthcare debate."

[Treznor]

Thank God that the public option might be removed. The so-called "public option" was just a trojan horse from the insurance companies that control the vast majority of the "healthcare debate."

How does that work, again?

[The_pantless_hero]

Thank God that the public option might be removed. The so-called "public option" was just a trojan horse from the insurance companies that control the vast majority of the "healthcare debate."

..what? I think there is a misunderstanding somewhere...

[UnhealthyTruthseeker]

Thank God that the public option might be removed. The so-called "public option" was just a trojan horse from the insurance companies that control the vast majority of the "healthcare debate."

Fool! Health insurance companies are simply a front for the Illuminati, which are themselves a front for the reptilian overlords! See, I can throw out conspiracy theories too. Isn't it fun?

[Space Libertines]

Thank God that the public option might be removed. The so-called "public option" was just a trojan horse from the insurance companies that control the vast majority of the "healthcare debate."

..what? I think there is a misunderstanding somewhere...

The healthcare debate is being controlled by the insurance companies to a vast extent. Follow the money.

[Tiesabre]

Obama's going the 'Can't we all just get along?" Route which is very commendable of him.

Everyone else is going: <___< "You do know what country you live in, right? Where the hell have you been?"

[Space Libertines]

Thank God that the public option might be removed. The so-called "public option" was just a trojan horse from the insurance companies that control the vast majority of the "healthcare debate."

Fool! Health insurance companies are simply a front for the Illuminati, which are themselves a front for the reptilian overlords! See, I can throw out conspiracy theories too. Isn't it fun?

lmao it's not a conspiracy theory. Try the Center for Responsive Politics, it's a good source.

[Angleter]

My plan for US healthcare is to continue as status quo, but with a state (not federal- keeps the South happy) fund to pay for procedures not covered under health insurance, and also to pay for the insurance of those who cannot afford it. By blending private quality and universiality the US healthcare system would be the best in the world.

So...basically...model after most of the public healthcare options found in every other industrialized nations in the world?

Public healthcare in most of Europe has gotten too big. In the US, you'd see only 30% of people at the most choosing the state-fund option. In Europe the level is at least 75%. I'm British, so I am largely unaware of the financial problems of the states, but I remember the days when if a government needs money, it raises taxes. Also, as a Briton, the only public healthcare system I am familiar with is 'Our NHS', which is almost a cult (see #welovethenhs on Twitter if you don't believe me). Trust me, you do NOT want an NHS.

I'm not a Socialist. In Britain they'd call me a 'Nasty Tory' on the 'Far Right' who's 'Probably a Racist too' because 'People Like That Are Usually Like That'.

[Milks Empire]

Obama's going the 'Can't we all just get along?" Route which is very commendable of him.

I have to give him that. Bush talked the talk; Obama is at least trying to walk the walk.

Everyone else is going: <___< "You do know what country you live in, right? Where the hell have you been?"

And therein lies the problem. Fixed Noise and Rush Limbaugh and Michael Savage and the like kinda make that impossible.

[Farnhamia]

My plan for US healthcare is to continue as status quo, but with a state (not federal- keeps the South happy) fund to pay for procedures not covered under health insurance, and also to pay for the insurance of those who cannot afford it. By blending private quality and universiality the US healthcare system would be the best in the world.

So...basically...model after most of the public healthcare options found in every other industrialized nations in the world?

Public healthcare in most of Europe has gotten too big. In the US, you'd see only 30% of people at the most choosing the state-fund option. In Europe the level is at least 75%. I'm British, so I am largely unaware of the financial problems of the states, but I remember the days when if a government needs money, it raises taxes. Also, as a Briton, the only public healthcare system I am familiar with is 'Our NHS', which is almost a cult (see #welovethenhs on Twitter if you don't believe me). Trust me, you do NOT want an NHS.

I'm not a Socialist. In Britain they'd call me a 'Nasty Tory' on the 'Far Right' who's 'Probably a Racist too' because 'People Like That Are Usually Like That'.

Silly British person, don't you know that raising taxes is obsolete in the modern world? When your government needs more money to provide services for its people, it has obviously gotten too big and the people who want those services are obviously parasites on the body politic, so the solution is to cut taxes and starve the beast. I thought every schoolchild knew that.

[Tekania]

I've learned a lot from conservatives:

1.) Public option healthcare is an evil socialist system...... Which is a trojan horse by the private sector healthcare industry...

2.) Public option healthcare will take away our rights..... By giving people financial access to health care...

3.) Public Option will be too expensive, and will not provide same level of service as private care.... And will drive private sector health insurance out of business even though it is cheaper and provides better service...

Summary:
The lesson here is, Conservatives are idiots not capable of thought.