US/Obama Healthcare Plan Consolidated MEGA-THREAD

[Ifreann]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/16/AR2009081602248.html?wprss=rss_politics

Administration officials signaled Sunday that the White House may be willing to jettison a controversial government-run insurance plan

If this is the case, I may be willing to stop yelling at democrat congressmen.
The regulation may be a bit much for me, but so long as my right to not have insurance is protected I am happy.

Right to not have insurance? Doesn't America require people to have car insurance?

[Greed and Death]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/16/AR2009081602248.html?wprss=rss_politics

Administration officials signaled Sunday that the White House may be willing to jettison a controversial government-run insurance plan

If this is the case, I may be willing to stop yelling at democrat congressmen.
The regulation may be a bit much for me, but so long as my right to not have insurance is protected I am happy.

Right to not have insurance? Doesn't America require people to have car insurance?

Only if they drive a car, and my state allows me the option to have 40,000 dollars in the bank in lieu of insurance.

[Tiesabre]

Only if they drive a car, and my state allows me the option to have 40,000 dollars in the bank in lieu of insurance.

This 'might' surprise you but not everyone has $40,000 in their bank account or is able to slip through loop-holes.

[Tech-gnosis]

Only if they drive a car, and my state allows me the option to have 40,000 dollars in the bank in lieu of insurance.

So if they only make those who might possibly get sick or become injured, ie everyone except invincible godlike entities?, and allow you the option of having 400K in the bank in the lieu of insurance you'd be fine with it?

[Ifreann]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/16/AR2009081602248.html?wprss=rss_politics

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If this is the case, I may be willing to stop yelling at democrat congressmen.
The regulation may be a bit much for me, but so long as my right to not have insurance is protected I am happy.

Right to not have insurance? Doesn't America require people to have car insurance?

Only if they drive a car, and my state allows me the option to have 40,000 dollars in the bank in lieu of insurance.

Sounds like you have a long way to go yet before the right not to have insurance is anything more than something you want but don't have.

[The_pantless_hero]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/16/AR2009081602248.html?wprss=rss_politics

Administration officials signaled Sunday that the White House may be willing to jettison a controversial government-run insurance plan

If this is the case, I may be willing to stop yelling at democrat congressmen.

If this is the case, I will start yelling louder at those cowards who dare call themselves representatives of the public's best interests and the fool in the White House who I imagine is lucky to remember where he lives given his inability to remember that the Republicans will not support anything he proposes, no matter how mediocre, sickly, and impotent.

[The_pantless_hero]

Right to not have insurance? Doesn't America require people to have car insurance?

Only if they drive a car, and my state allows me the option to have 40,000 dollars in the bank in lieu of insurance.

Don't get any serious illnesses or you will be in the street. Hell, you would probably be in the street with 40k in the bank with insurance.

[You-Gi-Owe]

Don't get any serious illnesses or you will be in the street. Hell, you would probably be in the street with 40k in the bank with insurance.

Hell, you're money won't be worth squat, very soon due to the upcoming inflation that comes from printing money without the assets to back up that paper.

[Treznor]

Don't get any serious illnesses or you will be in the street. Hell, you would probably be in the street with 40k in the bank with insurance.

Hell, you're money won't be worth squat, very soon due to the upcoming inflation that comes from printing money without the assets to back up that paper.

You mean, the inflation that started some six years ago, right?

[The_pantless_hero]

Don't get any serious illnesses or you will be in the street. Hell, you would probably be in the street with 40k in the bank with insurance.

Hell, you're money won't be worth squat, very soon due to the upcoming inflation that comes from printing money without the assets to back up that paper.

The "upcoming" inflation or the ongoing inflation? You know, the one that has been ongoing for years.

[Dimoniquid]

I'm not in America, so take it fuules!

[Muravyets]

Do you watch MSNBC

I watch SyFy (new name for SciFi). It was all-vampire day yesterday. Did you have a point you were going to get to?

[Muravyets]

You know what I simply love about the people who make these kinds of arguments under the belief that they're being 'rational' and 'logical' and 'seeing past the bullshit'? The fact that they have become so obsessed with the study of their own apparently unempathic, spiteful, cauterized hearts that they have failed to learn anything objective about humanity.

If you had studied anything of psychology, evolutionary biology, anthropology, or indeed, any subject other than your own navel, you would know that human beings are neurologically programmed to care about one another. Kindness, empathy and compassion are not social constructions--they are hardwired into our very beings, as they are hardwired into many other animals, from apes and monkeys, to dolphins and whales, to wolves and elephants. Nature selected for animals that care about one another and share work and reward, because it BENEFITS THE INDIVIDUAL. Your naive and baseless belief that this is all a mythology created to keep you down flies in the face of evolution and common sense.

It's not that I don't trust you but I'm a skeptic and I don't blindly trust you or anyone else. Could you please show your fucking work?

Also, there is no such thing as empathy. You can't possibly know what another person is actually feeling. Empathy is when delusional fuckwits profile others and try to emulate what they think the other person is feeling or project their own emotions and attitudes to an object incapable of feeling. There are few things that offend me more than someone telling me that they know how I feel, especially after something traumatic. It's all in your head.

For a person who claims not to believe emotional connections are possible, you go to a lot of effort to inject emotion (anger, hostility) into your post. Why bother, since obviously, none of us could ever understand how you act as if you feel?

[United Dependencies]

All I can say about healthcare is that I support the idea of those who are unable to afford doctor visits and whatnot to be able to recieve what they need (at least to get them from going to the emergency room when they have a cold). But I don't believe that the us government would be able to handle such a task without screwing it up.

[Muravyets]

That's not cynical. That's paranoid.

And yes, it was very radical and prescient of them to show up at the openly advertised town hall meetings that their representatives coordinated in order to get their opinions. Damn their trickery!

It also showed a lot of foresight on their part to come equipped with the printed talking points the lobbying companies who advertised the town halls and which ones they wanted to target gave them.

[Bluth Corporation]

Right to not have insurance? Doesn't America require people to have car insurance?

Most (or all) states do, but that's not a federal matter; furthermore, it's purely liability insurance for the damage you do to others; whether or not you insure your own automobile is entirely up to you.

Just like whether or not I want to have medical insurance for my own self is properly entirely up to me: it's my body, my life, so I get to decide what risks I'm willing to take with it.

[The_pantless_hero]

All I can say about healthcare is that I support the idea of those who are unable to afford doctor visits and whatnot to be able to recieve what they need (at least to get them from going to the emergency room when they have a cold). But I don't believe that the us government would be able to handle such a task without screwing it up.

Ever heard of Medicare? Medicaid? Social Security? The Department of Veteran's Affairs? Do you realize that every single politician has access to and is very likely using insurance that is only open to public officials? Stop buying the right-wing lies and think for yourself.

[Hawkryl]

Right to not have insurance? Doesn't America require people to have car insurance?

Most (or all) states do, but that's not a federal matter; furthermore, it's purely liability insurance for the damage you do to others; whether or not you insure your own automobile is entirely up to you.

Just like whether or not I want to have medical insurance for my own self is properly entirely up to me: it's my body, my life, so I get to decide what risks I'm willing to take with it.

QFT.

People have the right to bear arms, doesn't mean they should be forced to own and carry a gun at all times.

[The_pantless_hero]

Just like whether or not I want to have medical insurance for my own self is properly entirely up to me: it's my body, my life, so I get to decide what risks I'm willing to take with it.

Unless you come down with an infectious disease, which, being an infectious disease, you are more likely to get than any other and thus threaten other people's health, bodies, and lives. Get health liability insurance and stop being a dick.

[United Dependencies]

All I can say about healthcare is that I support the idea of those who are unable to afford doctor visits and whatnot to be able to recieve what they need (at least to get them from going to the emergency room when they have a cold). But I don't believe that the us government would be able to handle such a task without screwing it up.

Ever heard of Medicare? Medicaid? Social Security? The Department of Veteran's Affairs? Do you realize that every single politician has access to and is very likely using insurance that is only open to public officials? Stop buying the right-wing lies and think for yourself.

I am insulted that you would suggest that I am buying right wing lies. I am just voicing that a bureaucracy may not be able to handle sometihng this big. I believe that the right wing is complaining about stealing money or death pannels at the moment.

edit:Of medicare and medicaid which one does which? for the life of me I can never remember that.

[The_pantless_hero]

All I can say about healthcare is that I support the idea of those who are unable to afford doctor visits and whatnot to be able to recieve what they need (at least to get them from going to the emergency room when they have a cold). But I don't believe that the us government would be able to handle such a task without screwing it up.

Ever heard of Medicare? Medicaid? Social Security? The Department of Veteran's Affairs? Do you realize that every single politician has access to and is very likely using insurance that is only open to public officials? Stop buying the right-wing lies and think for yourself.

I am insulted that you would suggest that I am buying right wing lies. I am just voicing that a bureaucracy may not be able to handle sometihng this big. I believe that the right wing is complaining about stealing money or death pannels at the moment.

edit:Of medicare and medicaid which one does which? for the life of me I can never remember that.

Medicare is the big important one, Medicaid is the small gimped one. It isn't really important. And how exactly wouldn't the government be able to handle it? Oh no, they would have to reimburse people for money spent on health care! How could they possibly do something they have been doing for years!

[Hawkryl]

Just like whether or not I want to have medical insurance for my own self is properly entirely up to me: it's my body, my life, so I get to decide what risks I'm willing to take with it.

Unless you come down with an infectious disease, which, being an infectious disease, you are more likely to get than any other and thus threaten other people's health, bodies, and lives. Get health liability insurance and stop being a dick.

Any smart person who gets a infectious disease that does more than give you coughs stays away from most people anyway.

Health liability insurance is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard.

[United Dependencies]

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Ever heard of Medicare? Medicaid? Social Security? The Department of Veteran's Affairs? Do you realize that every single politician has access to and is very likely using insurance that is only open to public officials? Stop buying the right-wing lies and think for yourself.

I am insulted that you would suggest that I am buying right wing lies. I am just voicing that a bureaucracy may not be able to handle sometihng this big. I believe that the right wing is complaining about stealing money or death pannels at the moment.

edit:Of medicare and medicaid which one does which? for the life of me I can never remember that.

Medicare is the big important one, Medicaid is the small gimped one. It isn't really important. And how exactly wouldn't the government be able to handle it? Oh no, they would have to reimburse people for money spent on health care! How could they possibly do something they have been doing for years!

What bill is being discussed now? If it something about subsidising or something similar to that then sure I'm all for that.

[The_pantless_hero]

Just like whether or not I want to have medical insurance for my own self is properly entirely up to me: it's my body, my life, so I get to decide what risks I'm willing to take with it.

Unless you come down with an infectious disease, which, being an infectious disease, you are more likely to get than any other and thus threaten other people's health, bodies, and lives. Get health liability insurance and stop being a dick.

Any smart person who gets a infectious disease that does more than give you coughs stays away from most people anyway.

Never mind the fact that most diseases are most contagious before symptoms manifest. Or that you said "smart" and "most."

Health liability insurance is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard.

I reserve the right to be facetious when confronted with pure ignorance and wanton idiocy.

[The_pantless_hero]

What bill is being discussed now? If it something about subsidising or something similar to that then sure I'm all for that.

I'm discussing an imaginary universal healthcare bill. The one right now does 3 things: jack, shit, and insurance industry handouts.