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The South Islands
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Re: Consolidated Obamacare Thread

Postby The South Islands » Sun Aug 16, 2009 11:12 pm

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New Kereptica wrote:Who watches the Watchmen?


Good watchmen don't need watching.


And I thought I was optimistic.

We just need good rulers, that is all. We need to keep them in, and keep the bad ones out through any means necessary.


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1. "Ruler" can only describe the President. You see, there are three different branches of the US government, the legislative branch, made up of Congress, &c. , the executive branch, made up of the President, &c., and the judicial, made up of the Supreme Court, &c.. The Executive branch is aptly named, as it is the one that rules. The legislative branch, on the other hand, represent the people and make laws based upon the will of the people.

2. The rights of assembly and freedom of speech guaranteed in a 1st Amendment to the Constitution guarantee that people can demonstrate their opinions by protesting those events.


I'd consider those that make the law rulers in their own right. Power does not need to be concentrated in one person to make those with power rulers.

With regards to the first amendment with respect to the Sedition Act, Thomas Jefferson himself objected to the Sedition Acts not on First Amendment grounds, but on Tenth Amendment grounds. This is because true free political speech is not harmed when those spreading lies and engaged in thuggish behavior are told to STFU so the adults can talk.
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Re: Consolidated Obamacare Thread

Postby The South Islands » Sun Aug 16, 2009 11:14 pm

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Oh, but what a funny thing, the word "sedition" is not mentioned in the Constitution.


Yes. Which is my point. Treason and Sedition are not the same thing. One is directly harming the United States through violent action or rendering assistance to those that do. Sedition is simply the undermining of the US Government through speech.
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Re: Consolidated Obamacare Thread

Postby New Kereptica » Sun Aug 16, 2009 11:15 pm

The South Islands wrote:I'd consider those that make the law rulers in their own right. Power does not need to be concentrated in one person to make those with power rulers.

With regards to the first amendment with respect to the Sedition Act, Thomas Jefferson himself objected to the Sedition Acts not on First Amendment grounds, but on Tenth Amendment grounds. This is because true free political speech is not harmed when those spreading lies and engaged in thuggish behavior are told to STFU so the adults can talk.


I would not, because Congresspeople represent the citizens, they don't rule them.

Perhaps not, but "true free political speech" is harmed when those people are made to STFU. That's the whole distinction. You can tell anyone you want to shut the fuck up about their opinions, but if you actually go ahead and make them, you are infringing on their First Amendment rights.
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Re: Consolidated Obamacare Thread

Postby The South Islands » Sun Aug 16, 2009 11:16 pm

On that note, its really late here. I need my beauty *cough* rest. I shall continue this later.

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Re: Consolidated Obamacare Thread

Postby Muravyets » Sun Aug 16, 2009 11:18 pm

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Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.


Rather specific, don't you think?

No, I think it's rather shockingly vague.

But it's also completely irrelevant. Here's why:

Didn't you acknowledge that you think these people are being seditious, and not treasonous?

Didn't you just spend several posts telling us how sedition and treason are two different things?

Didn't you call for the dusting off of Sedition Acts for the purposes of punishing people for sedition, which you insist is different from treason?

If so -- *checks thread* yep, I believe 'tis so -- then all your comments about treason are utterly irrelevant, because you have not been talking about treason.

Furthermore, since there is no law against sedition in the US -- thanks to the repeal of all those various Sedition Acts -- then what you call sedition is, by default, completely legal, and they have every right to do it.

I will remind you that the quote about treason above, which I notice you did not actually give a link to so we could see the whole thing in context, does not contain the word "sedition." Since you are harping on how "specific" it is, I would say that lack does not bode well for your argument.

Yes, yes, I know you attempted to spin some spectral connection between what those idiots and crooks are doing and "giving aid and comfort to the enemy", but you are really going to have to show any direct link between an enemy -- a specific one, but any one will do -- and these fake protesters. Maybe you can come up with a youtube clip of bin Laden watching CNN in a cave in Pakistan and laughing his ass off with glee?
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Re: Consolidated Obamacare Thread

Postby Muravyets » Sun Aug 16, 2009 11:21 pm

The South Islands wrote:
New Kereptica wrote:
Oh, but what a funny thing, the word "sedition" is not mentioned in the Constitution.


Yes. Which is my point. Treason and Sedition are not the same thing. One is directly harming the United States through violent action or rendering assistance to those that do. Sedition is simply the undermining of the US Government through speech.

And by your own admission, it is 100% legal.
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Re: Consolidated Obamacare Thread

Postby Muravyets » Sun Aug 16, 2009 11:22 pm

The South Islands wrote:On that note, its really late here. I need my beauty *cough* rest. I shall continue this later.

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No, please, don't feel you need to. Not on our account. Seriously.
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Public Option Fails

Postby History land » Sun Aug 16, 2009 11:32 pm

Obama gives up on the Public Option

This is a great victory we have stoped Obama`s Takeover and American Goverment Healthcare has been stoped.


The Protesters at the town halls are the real heros. This is a great victory All Americans Cheer
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Re: Public Option Fails

Postby Lizardiar » Sun Aug 16, 2009 11:33 pm

Are the Flame shields online?
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Re: Public Option Fails

Postby New Kereptica » Sun Aug 16, 2009 11:33 pm

History land wrote:Obama gives up on the Public Option

This is a great victory we have stoped Obama`s Takeover and American Goverment Healthcare has been stoped.


The Protesters at the town halls are the real heros. This is a great victory All Americans Cheer


No, he hasn't.

No, it isn't.

No, it hasn't.

No, they aren't.

No, it isn't.
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Re: Public Option Fails

Postby Pope Joan » Sun Aug 16, 2009 11:33 pm

America's healthcare is about to be stoped.
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Re: Public Option Fails

Postby Tubbsalot » Sun Aug 16, 2009 11:33 pm

I doubt he has. Anyone who's bothered checking performance in other countries knows that the public option is a vital option for an affordable system.

Also, that's moronic. Obama's takeover? Do you even know anything about the subject?
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Re: Public Option Fails

Postby History land » Sun Aug 16, 2009 11:34 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpvCQav5ucI

This vid isn`t fox news or anything but it says the public option fails.
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Re: Public Option Fails

Postby Tubbsalot » Sun Aug 16, 2009 11:34 pm

OH SHIT GUYS A VIDEO HOLY SHIT

WE'RE SCREWED
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Re: Public Option Fails

Postby Valipac » Sun Aug 16, 2009 11:34 pm

New Kereptica wrote:
History land wrote:Obama gives up on the Public Option

This is a great victory we have stoped Obama`s Takeover and American Goverment Healthcare has been stoped.


The Protesters at the town halls are the real heros. This is a great victory All Americans Cheer


No, he hasn't.

No, it isn't.

No, it hasn't.

No, they aren't.

No, it isn't.

Very skillful debater you are...

Not that I agree with any of his points. But that's a garbage response.
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Re: Public Option Fails

Postby Tubbsalot » Sun Aug 16, 2009 11:35 pm

Valipac wrote:But that's a garbage response.

His post doesn't deserve a serious response.
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Re: Public Option Fails

Postby New Kereptica » Sun Aug 16, 2009 11:35 pm

Pope Joan wrote:America's healthcare is about to be stoped.


It is going to be removed from a mine by means of an excavation in the form of steps made by the mining of ore from steeply inclined or vertical veins? Say it ain't so!
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Re: Public Option Fails

Postby History land » Sun Aug 16, 2009 11:35 pm

Listen I heard on the news that Obama is abondoning the Public Option

The public option is a goverment take over it would have cost too much money.
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Re: Public Option Fails

Postby Sarkhaan » Sun Aug 16, 2009 11:36 pm

Isn't there a consolidated thread about US heath care?

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Re: Public Option Fails

Postby History land » Sun Aug 16, 2009 11:37 pm

http://www.rightpundits.com/?p=4614

Here is another one it`s true the White house is abondoing the ppublic option
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Re: Public Option Fails

Postby Lizardiar » Sun Aug 16, 2009 11:37 pm

They're down captain!
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Re: Public Option Fails

Postby History land » Sun Aug 16, 2009 11:38 pm

Anyway I am not debating this go look it up the Public Option has failed allright let`s move on
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Re: Public Option Fails

Postby Sarkhaan » Sun Aug 16, 2009 11:38 pm

History land wrote:Anyway I am not debating this go look it up the Public Option has failed allright let`s move on

If you aren't debating it, why did you create a thread about it on a debate forum?

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Re: Public Option Fails

Postby New Kereptica » Sun Aug 16, 2009 11:38 pm

History land wrote:http://www.rightpundits.com/?p=4614

Here is another one it`s true the White house is abondoing the ppublic option


Obama May Abandon Public Health Care Option

Did you read the title? And it's hardly a reliable source.
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Re: Public Option Fails

Postby History land » Sun Aug 16, 2009 11:39 pm

Sarkhaan wrote:
History land wrote:Anyway I am not debating this go look it up the Public Option has failed allright let`s move on

If you aren't debating it, why did you create a thread about it on a debate forum?


I just wanted to give the information I am not debating it just spreading the word
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