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A big question, and I'd like all of your inputs on this. Did you think that Anthony Weiner was treated unfairly and was ultimately betrayed by the party he had spent all of his political career aligning himself with? Did the Dems have enough of Weiner's reign in the House?

On a more essential note, it should be considered that former Democratic president Bill Clinton was also involve in a sex scandal that ultimately led to his resignation as well, although he received mostly positive support from his party while he strove to defend his claim that he did not engage in sexual interactions with Lewinsky. He was later found of lying, but still got support from the left? That doesn't make sense when they did the exact same opposite to Weiner, who too was caught lying after confessing to the legitimacy of the claims that he was in the act of sending perverse messages to the American public. Weiner was attacked and backlashed by almost all of his party colleagues, and ultimately felt so unsatisfied with the pressure gave in and announced his resignation a few days ago.

In a more summarily sense, NSG, do you think Weiner was backstabbed by his own party when Clinton was not, although they too were involved in sex-related political scandals.

Clinton resigned? What alternate past was this?

Wikkiwallana wrote:Clinton resigned? What alternate past was this?

That's one of Ken Starr's wet dreams, isn't it?

"Mr. Starr, I confess, and now, I must address the nation and resign. Oh, woe is me!"

Wikkiwallana wrote:Clinton resigned? What alternate past was this?

Shit. Another bleeder from another universe.

Men, send him back to the universe he came from!

<bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzap>

That's been happening more and more lately.........

Galloism wrote:

Wikkiwallana wrote:Clinton resigned? What alternate past was this?

Shit. Another bleeder from another universe.

Men, send him back to the universe he came from!

<bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzap>

That's been happening more and more lately.........

There does seem to be a rift in space-time somewhere, doesn't there? Maybe a tachyon beam or something would help? Oh, wait, it's summer! Never mind.

Farnhamia wrote:

Galloism wrote:Shit. Another bleeder from another universe.

Men, send him back to the universe he came from!

<bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzap>

That's been happening more and more lately.........

There does seem to be a rift in space-time somewhere, doesn't there? Maybe a tachyon beam or something would help? Oh, wait, it's summer! Never mind.

I still say we should drop a nuke on Cardiff.

Gauthier wrote:

Farnhamia wrote:There does seem to be a rift in space-time somewhere, doesn't there? Maybe a tachyon beam or something would help? Oh, wait, it's summer! Never mind.

I still say we should drop a nuke on Cardiff.

Well, yes, and the other places with too many Ys and Ws and not enough vowels. Goes without saying.

This thread reminded me of the fact that Weiner actually apologized to Clinton over this./

Wikkiwallana wrote:This thread reminded me of the fact that Weiner actually apologized to Clinton over this./

Jon Stewart found the explanation. He talked about doing a girl from behind while they both watched the Daily Show, and the next guest on was Bill Clinton. It all makes sense.

Brandenburg-Altmark wrote:

Wikkiwallana wrote:This thread reminded me of the fact that Weiner actually apologized to Clinton over this./

Jon Stewart found the explanation. He talked about doing a girl from behind while they both watched the Daily Show, and the next guest on was Bill Clinton. It all makes sense.

Thanks for giving away the punchline.

Wikkiwallana wrote:

Brandenburg-Altmark wrote:
Jon Stewart found the explanation. He talked about doing a girl from behind while they both watched the Daily Show, and the next guest on was Bill Clinton. It all makes sense.

Thanks for giving away the punchline.

That was a week ago!

Weiner showed his hotdog to female hookers from the Filipino Hookers.
But his ding-dong is incredibly bad, but I don't care as much because I don't pay attention to the politics

Oh yeah, definitely backstabbed. This is one of the reasons I really hate the democratic party with a passion. This would never happen in the GOP, Hire prostitutes? Fine, Solicit gay sex in a bathroom? Fine, "Hike the Appalachian Trail" ? Fine, etc., etc.

Yet, Anthony Weiner sends a few completely consensual photos over twitter that some stupid stalker stumbles upon, and the Democrats scramble to condemn the guy, call for an investigation, and throw him under a bus.

Words cannot describe how disgusted I am by the complete and total cowardice and spinelessness of the Democratic Party, and worse, towards literally the best fucking congressman they had.

it's shit like this that lets the GOP get away with calling them what they do: Because time and time again they do their best to prove the bastards right.

*shakes head*

Also I don't understand the poll, where's the "Yes, he was backstabbed, and it was hypocritical" ?

How was he "backstabbed"? He tried to cover everything up, lied about it for a couple weeks, tried to claim he was hacked and the hacker sent the pics, then tried to blame somebody else for hacking and sending the pics and tweets. For me, that is the primary concern, the coverup attempt and the trying to blame political opponents for what he did. Were the democrats supposed to just overlook all that and give him a 'pass'?

The Dems totally screwed Anthony Weiner, there's no question about that.

Grays Harbor wrote:How was he "backstabbed"? He tried to cover everything up, lied about it for a couple weeks, tried to claim he was hacked and the hacker sent the pics, then tried to blame somebody else for hacking and sending the pics and tweets. For me, that is the primary concern, the coverup attempt and the trying to blame political opponents for what he did. Were the democrats supposed to just overlook all that and give him a 'pass'?

In a word? Yes.

I mean, I can forgive him for that, I'd probably panic if some stalker found my shit too. But that's not the issue, it's that the Republicans have done far worse and more, yet, had their own party circle the wagons to keep them around. The Democrats failed in that endeavour, epically.

I mean you, personally, can dislike him, want him to go, whatever, but as far as whether the party backstabbed him, that's not the issue. The Party failed to stand behind him, the way the Republicans would have. It is the fact that they are too cowardly, too inept, too unorganized, too "dog eat dog", whatever, that allows things like a Tea Party to beat them, that keeps them from sustaining a win the way the Republicans are able to, even in the face of epically bad scandals and failures as they have shown in the past 12 years and more.

Anthony Weiner didn't get what David Vitter got, or Mark Sanford got, and that's the reason he was "backstabbed" by his party.

Democrats should have stood by him, and they didn't. It's a shame, too, because Weiner seemed like one of the few persons left in the Democratic Party with any kind of fighting spirit left in him.

If it was just the one original picture, I'd say he was betrayed. But taking pictures IN THE HOUSE GYM? Yeah, that's harder to defend. He's small fish, anyways. After the first scandal broke, his chance of advancing in the party dried up, but now that the extent of the scandal is known his time is up. Really can't blame the Democrats, especially after the embarrassment they suffered with Charlie Rangel.

He's a coward. He shouldn't have resigned. All of the best politicians have been womanizing bastards.

The Democrats need a breaking point where they all realize with a Samuel L. Jackson voice, "You what? Fuck this."

Maurepas wrote:Oh yeah, definitely backstabbed. This is one of the reasons I really hate the democratic party with a passion. This would never happen in the GOP, Hire prostitutes? Fine, Solicit gay sex in a bathroom? Fine, "Hike the Appalachian Trail" ? Fine, etc., etc.

Yet, Anthony Weiner sends a few completely consensual photos over twitter that some stupid stalker stumbles upon, and the Democrats scramble to condemn the guy, call for an investigation, and throw him under a bus.

Words cannot describe how disgusted I am by the complete and total cowardice and spinelessness of the Democratic Party, and worse, towards literally the best fucking congressman they had.

it's shit like this that lets the GOP get away with calling them what they do: Because time and time again they do their best to prove the bastards right.

*shakes head*

It's more of a devil's advocate thing then anything else, but isn't that just what holding yourself to a higher standard is all about? Yes, the Republicans circle the wagons and have protected some people who may have gone further, but don't 'we' (not actually a democrat) criticize them for that? Wouldn't it make that criticism a little empty if we didn't apply the same standard when it's 'one of us?' Yes, it's a sexless sex scandal and on balance it seems goofy as hell, like catching your junior high aged kid kissing his girlfriend on the cheek. But if we're supposed to get so self righteous about the sex scandals of others shouldn't we at least hold 'our' own people to the same standard.

Cannot think of a name wrote:

Maurepas wrote:Oh yeah, definitely backstabbed. This is one of the reasons I really hate the democratic party with a passion. This would never happen in the GOP, Hire prostitutes? Fine, Solicit gay sex in a bathroom? Fine, "Hike the Appalachian Trail" ? Fine, etc., etc.

Yet, Anthony Weiner sends a few completely consensual photos over twitter that some stupid stalker stumbles upon, and the Democrats scramble to condemn the guy, call for an investigation, and throw him under a bus.

Words cannot describe how disgusted I am by the complete and total cowardice and spinelessness of the Democratic Party, and worse, towards literally the best fucking congressman they had.

it's shit like this that lets the GOP get away with calling them what they do: Because time and time again they do their best to prove the bastards right.

*shakes head*

It's more of a devil's advocate thing then anything else, but isn't that just what holding yourself to a higher standard is all about? Yes, the Republicans circle the wagons and have protected some people who may have gone further, but don't 'we' (not actually a democrat) criticize them for that? Wouldn't it make that criticism a little empty if we didn't apply the same standard when it's 'one of us?' Yes, it's a sexless sex scandal and on balance it seems goofy as hell, like catching your junior high aged kid kissing his girlfriend on the cheek. But if we're supposed to get so self righteous about the sex scandals of others shouldn't we at least hold 'our' own people to the same standard.

Yeah, but I'm not a "we" in that scenario either. I'm on record all over this forum saying I've never given a damn about a politician's sex life, unless it's non-consensual. My father had two affairs, and his work record easily attests to being flawless the entire time. I've really never understood the United States' fascination with going apeshit about sexual "scandals".

The only time a politician's sex life is an issue to me, is when they make it one by being a "Family Values" guy and attacking other people's. Which Anthony Weiner never did.

To me, it just demonstrates what I already didn't like about the Democratic Party, the fact that they cannot find it within themselves to have the balls the GOP does.

Maurepas wrote:

Cannot think of a name wrote:It's more of a devil's advocate thing then anything else, but isn't that just what holding yourself to a higher standard is all about? Yes, the Republicans circle the wagons and have protected some people who may have gone further, but don't 'we' (not actually a democrat) criticize them for that? Wouldn't it make that criticism a little empty if we didn't apply the same standard when it's 'one of us?' Yes, it's a sexless sex scandal and on balance it seems goofy as hell, like catching your junior high aged kid kissing his girlfriend on the cheek. But if we're supposed to get so self righteous about the sex scandals of others shouldn't we at least hold 'our' own people to the same standard.

Yeah, but I'm not a "we" in that scenario either. I'm on record all over this forum saying I've never given a damn about a politician's sex life, unless it's non-consensual. My father had two affairs, and his work record easily attests to being flawless the entire time. I've really never understood the United States' fascination with going apeshit about sexual "scandals".

The only time a politician's sex life is an issue to me, is when they make it one by being a "Family Values" guy and attacking other people's. Which Anthony Weiner never did.

To me, it just demonstrates what I already didn't like about the Democratic Party, the fact that they cannot find it within themselves to have the balls the GOP does.

But if a man like Weiner promotes honesty and then is lie it is okay?

Libertarian Mesa wrote:

Maurepas wrote:Yeah, but I'm not a "we" in that scenario either. I'm on record all over this forum saying I've never given a damn about a politician's sex life, unless it's non-consensual. My father had two affairs, and his work record easily attests to being flawless the entire time. I've really never understood the United States' fascination with going apeshit about sexual "scandals".

The only time a politician's sex life is an issue to me, is when they make it one by being a "Family Values" guy and attacking other people's. Which Anthony Weiner never did.

To me, it just demonstrates what I already didn't like about the Democratic Party, the fact that they cannot find it within themselves to have the balls the GOP does.

But if a man like Weiner promotes honesty and then is lie it is okay?

I can't recall the man attacking liars the way the Family Values racket attacks Gays, Pro-Choice Women, and the like.