Was Anthony Weiner betrayed by the Dems, but not Clinton?

[Caninope]

The Democrats would rather turn on their own than stand up to the Republicans. I wish I was actually surprised.

ZOMG, Democrats get mad at someone who made pornographic pictures of himself, sent those pictures to young females he didn't really know, lied about it claiming that someone else committed a crime, and possibly broke the Ethics rules of the House!

[Sorvasia]

The Democrats would rather turn on their own than stand up to the Republicans. I wish I was actually surprised.

ZOMG, Democrats get mad at someone who made pornographic pictures of himself, sent those pictures to young females he didn't really know, lied about it claiming that someone else committed a crime, and possibly broke the Ethics rules of the House!

Yet they turn a blind eye to Obama violating a federal law.

[Gauthier]

ZOMG, Democrats get mad at someone who made pornographic pictures of himself, sent those pictures to young females he didn't really know, lied about it claiming that someone else committed a crime, and possibly broke the Ethics rules of the House!

Yet they turn a blind eye to Obama violating a federal law.

And how many Presidents actually obeyed the WPA?

[Sorvasia]

Yet they turn a blind eye to Obama violating a federal law.

And how many Presidents actually obeyed the WPA?

What makes him an exception as well? We finally have brought light into this issue and now we're allowing Obama to go by it because we've fallen into his failed promises once again.

[Wikkiwallana]

And how many Presidents actually obeyed the WPA?

What makes him an exception as well? We finally have brought light into this issue and now we're allowing Obama to go by it because we've fallen into his failed promises once again.

Which failed promises are those?

[Sorvasia]

What makes him an exception as well? We finally have brought light into this issue and now we're allowing Obama to go by it because we've fallen into his failed promises once again.

Which failed promises are those?

to save civilian lives in Libya, to depose a tyrannical dictator, etc.

... and his never-ending list of wishes such as fixing the economy, stopping the wars in the Middle East, and ultimately reform immigration. All of which are still to be answered and met.

[Intangelon]

Weiner didn't have the semantic savvy to escape being truly branded a liar, as Clinton did. Weiner was absolutely too arrogant and deserved the under-the-busing he received.

[The Andromeda Islands]

Was Anthony Weiner backstabbed by the Dems, but not Clinton?

A big question, and I'd like all of your inputs on this. Did you think that Anthony Weiner was treated unfairly and was ultimately betrayed by the party he had spent all of his political career aligning himself with? Did the Dems have enough of Weiner's reign in the House?

On a more essential note, it should be considered that former Democratic president Bill Clinton was also involve in a sex scandal that ultimately led to his resignation as well, although he received mostly positive support from his party while he strove to defend his claim that he did not engage in sexual interactions with Lewinsky. He was later found of lying, but still got support from the left? That doesn't make sense when they did the exact same opposite to Weiner, who too was caught lying after confessing to the legitimacy of the claims that he was in the act of sending perverse messages to the American public. Weiner was attacked and backlashed by almost all of his party colleagues, and ultimately felt so unsatisfied with the pressure gave in and announced his resignation a few days ago.

In a more summarily sense, NSG, do you think Weiner was backstabbed by his own party when Clinton was not, although they too were involved in sex-related political scandals.

I think that the Weiner situation and the Clinton situation are two different things.

Weiner was one of 535 member of Congress in 2011. Bill Clinton was the leader of the Free World in the 1990s.

Until the rise of cable news, having an affair with a mistress was standard practice for some politicians. A person's private life and their public face are unrelated. People didn't approve of Bill Clinton's behavior, but they understood.

Just the simple fact that a member of Congress has enough time on their hands to send pictures of their unmentionables on twitter is... well... creepy. It's a questionable use of the new social media, especially for a Congressman as combatative and in-your-face as Weiner. He had to know that his opponents were looking for anything to make him look bad.

I don't live in NY, but I trust that the former Congressman did the right thing.

[Caninope]

Which failed promises are those?

to save civilian lives in Libya, to depose a tyrannical dictator, etc.

... and his never-ending list of wishes such as fixing the economy, stopping the wars in the Middle East, and ultimately reform immigration. All of which are still to be answered and met.

1. The constitutionality of the War Powers Act has been disputed, besides, the US is enforcing the UNSC resolution
2. Obama is doing this under the auspices of NATO, with all of 11 ships
3. I would argue the no-fly zone is saving civilian lives in the long run
4. In case you haven't noticed, Gaddafi is perilously close to the end, and all without boots on the ground
5. The economy cannot be fixed by one person
6. We have withdrawn all combat positions from Iraq and are withdrawing remaining personnel
7. We have a timeline for the withdrawal of troops from Afghanistan
8. Immigration reform is hardly needed now, with illegal immigration decreasing and deportations increasing

I say all this as a conservative: no matter your opinion of whose fault any of this is, be it Reagan, Clinton, Bush, or the Flying Spaghetti Monster, anyone coming into office at this time would have faced a tremendous burden, because everything seems to have hit the fan recently.

[Ulthrani]

When I read this I thought it was going to say "Was Anthony Weiner betrayed by the Decepticons" hahahahahahahahahaha.

But, look, I think that Clinton and the other democrats threw Weiner to the dogs. It was classic backstabbery.

@ Sorvasia

But, Obama cannot be blamed for civilian casualties in the Libyan Theatre of War. You cannot avoid civilian casualties in any war, that is just the fact of war. Look, I think that Operation Odyssey Dawn has been somewhat of a show boat, it has been a little bit.

And his promises, eh, what do you expect? you simply couldn't remove forces from those theatres of war when he was elected because the entire region would be a river of blood and under Iranian control (just think about it)

And I agree with everything the above poster has pointed out.

[Sorvasia]

1. The constitutionality of the War Powers Act has been disputed, besides, the US is enforcing the UNSC resolution

The constitutionality of unnecessary government agencies and going out of its derived powers as defined by the US Constitution is in question as well.

3. I would argue the no-fly zone is saving civilian lives in the long run

Yet NATO weapon systems regularly "mistakenly" target civilian households.

4. In case you haven't noticed, Gaddafi is perilously close to the end, and all without boots on the ground

Which is obviously the reason why he wrote a letter to the UN stating that the intervention was too brutal.

5. The economy cannot be fixed by one person

Nor can it be fixed with a promise of "change".

6. We have withdrawn all combat positions from Iraq and are withdrawing remaining personnel

Really? Are you sure about that?

8. Immigration reform is hardly needed now, with illegal immigration decreasing and deportations increasing

Sources? And by reform I mean better interpretations of enforcing the border and the issue of amnesty and if we really need to issue it or not, not the statistical effects of our current immigration system having an effect on immigration to the US.

[Caninope]

1. The constitutionality of the War Powers Act has been disputed, besides, the US is enforcing the UNSC resolution

The constitutionality of unnecessary government agencies and going out of its derived powers as defined by the US Constitution is in question as well.

If you could point me to some governmental agencies who are constitutionally questionable, that would be nice. Listen, I'm a conservative/right win libertarian and I want to cut the government. I really do. But I cannot go around claiming that government agencies are questionable when they are not.

Yet NATO weapon systems regularly "mistakenly" target civilian households.

Source?

Which is obviously the reason why he wrote a letter to the UN stating that the intervention was too brutal.

Source?

Nor can it be fixed with a promise of "change".

In case you haven't noticed, he hasn't sat around all day doing nothing. He's tried to reform. I disagree with most of his efforts to try to get the economy out of the gutter, but he's been trying.

Really? Are you sure about that?

Yes.

Sources? And by reform I mean better interpretations of enforcing the border and the issue of amnesty and if we really need to issue it or not, not the statistical effects of our current immigration system having an effect on immigration to the US.

I shall just recycle an old argument from our friend TCT. Enforcement is getting better.

I understand the need to insult a liberal President. I really do. But insult him by pointing out the truth.

[Sorvasia]

If you could point me to some governmental agencies who are constitutionally questionable, that would be nice. Listen, I'm a conservative/right win libertarian and I want to cut the government. I really do. But I cannot go around claiming that government agencies are questionable when they are not.

Well for one, the US Combatant Commands such as USPACCOM and USAFRICOM stationed throughout the world. The constitution doesn't define our military to have exclusive presences in foreign lands.

Source?

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/06/18 ... an-people/
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... under.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/lib ... story.html

Source?

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/w ... 787954.htm
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... legal.html

In case you haven't noticed, he hasn't sat around all day doing nothing. He's tried to reform. I disagree with most of his efforts to try to get the economy out of the gutter, but he's been trying.

It takes him three years to try? We're getting deeper and deeper into debt and I for one won't stand for a president that has no knowledge of economics to interfere.


EDIT: And where is your source for all American military personnel already withdrawn from Iraq?

[Brandenburg-Altmark]

I love how, despite everything Obama has done, he is being blamed for not doing the things the republican congress is refusing to allow him to do.

[Glorious Freedonia]

Oh yeah, definitely backstabbed. This is one of the reasons I really hate the democratic party with a passion. This would never happen in the GOP, Hire prostitutes? Fine, Solicit gay sex in a bathroom? Fine, "Hike the Appalachian Trail" ? Fine, etc., etc.

Yet, Anthony Weiner sends a few completely consensual photos over twitter that some stupid stalker stumbles upon, and the Democrats scramble to condemn the guy, call for an investigation, and throw him under a bus.

Words cannot describe how disgusted I am by the complete and total cowardice and spinelessness of the Democratic Party, and worse, towards literally the best fucking congressman they had.

it's shit like this that lets the GOP get away with calling them what they do: Because time and time again they do their best to prove the bastards right.

*shakes head*

Although I disagree with you that Republicans are more accepting of scandal amid their ranks, my level of disagreement with you is dwarfed by my curiousity about what the heck "Hiking the Appalachian Trail" is supposed to refer to in some sort of slang/innuendo/euphamism kind of way.

[Serrland]

Oh yeah, definitely backstabbed. This is one of the reasons I really hate the democratic party with a passion. This would never happen in the GOP, Hire prostitutes? Fine, Solicit gay sex in a bathroom? Fine, "Hike the Appalachian Trail" ? Fine, etc., etc.

Yet, Anthony Weiner sends a few completely consensual photos over twitter that some stupid stalker stumbles upon, and the Democrats scramble to condemn the guy, call for an investigation, and throw him under a bus.

Words cannot describe how disgusted I am by the complete and total cowardice and spinelessness of the Democratic Party, and worse, towards literally the best fucking congressman they had.

it's shit like this that lets the GOP get away with calling them what they do: Because time and time again they do their best to prove the bastards right.

*shakes head*

Although I disagree with you that Republicans are more accepting of scandal amid their ranks, my level of disagreement with you is dwarfed by my curiousity about what the heck "Hiking the Appalachian Trail" is supposed to refer to in some sort of slang/innuendo/euphamism kind of way.

I think it really means "tell your wife and staff you're going hiking in the mountains instead of revealing your true intentions - flying down to Argentina to let your mistress have a bite of your chorizo."

[New Manvir]

Oh yeah, definitely backstabbed. This is one of the reasons I really hate the democratic party with a passion. This would never happen in the GOP, Hire prostitutes? Fine, Solicit gay sex in a bathroom? Fine, "Hike the Appalachian Trail" ? Fine, etc., etc.

Yet, Anthony Weiner sends a few completely consensual photos over twitter that some stupid stalker stumbles upon, and the Democrats scramble to condemn the guy, call for an investigation, and throw him under a bus.

Words cannot describe how disgusted I am by the complete and total cowardice and spinelessness of the Democratic Party, and worse, towards literally the best fucking congressman they had.

it's shit like this that lets the GOP get away with calling them what they do: Because time and time again they do their best to prove the bastards right.

*shakes head*

What are you going to do, vote third party?

[Gauthier]

I love how, despite everything Obama has done, he is being blamed for not doing the things the republican congress is refusing to allow him to do.

And the idiots blaming him are the ones who'll vote the GOP back into the White House then wonder why the economy still sucks for them.

[Caninope]

If you could point me to some governmental agencies who are constitutionally questionable, that would be nice. Listen, I'm a conservative/right win libertarian and I want to cut the government. I really do. But I cannot go around claiming that government agencies are questionable when they are not.

Well for one, the US Combatant Commands such as USPACCOM and USAFRICOM stationed throughout the world. The constitution doesn't define our military to have exclusive presences in foreign lands.

Uhh, what? I'm confused here...how is having bases in foreign countries unconstitutional again?

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/06/18/nato-accuses-qaddafi-brutally-attacking-libyan-people/
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... under.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/lib ... story.html

There's a problem. Your source is the Libyan government. The same people who claimed that painkillers the protestors trying to get were hallucinogenic drugs. They weren't even particularly strong ones. Right now, I would anything that came out of the Devil's mouth before I would something that comes out of Gaddafi's mouth. At least Satan is sane.

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/world/2011-03/19/c_13787954.htm
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... legal.html

He didn't claim it was inbrutal, he claimed it violated sovereignty. There's a clear difference.

It takes him three years to try? We're getting deeper and deeper into debt and I for one won't stand for a president that has no knowledge of economics to interfere.

No, he's passed several pieces of economic legislation. While their economic effects are arguable, and a debate I don't feel like having as well as one where you and I would probably agree, you cannot deny that he has tried.

EDIT: And where is your source for all American military personnel already withdrawn from Iraq?

Not all military personnel, all combat positions.

[Caninope]

Oh yeah, definitely backstabbed. This is one of the reasons I really hate the democratic party with a passion. This would never happen in the GOP, Hire prostitutes? Fine, Solicit gay sex in a bathroom? Fine, "Hike the Appalachian Trail" ? Fine, etc., etc.

Yet, Anthony Weiner sends a few completely consensual photos over twitter that some stupid stalker stumbles upon, and the Democrats scramble to condemn the guy, call for an investigation, and throw him under a bus.

Words cannot describe how disgusted I am by the complete and total cowardice and spinelessness of the Democratic Party, and worse, towards literally the best fucking congressman they had.

it's shit like this that lets the GOP get away with calling them what they do: Because time and time again they do their best to prove the bastards right.

*shakes head*

Although I disagree with you that Republicans are more accepting of scandal amid their ranks, my level of disagreement with you is dwarfed by my curiousity about what the heck "Hiking the Appalachian Trail" is supposed to refer to in some sort of slang/innuendo/euphamism kind of way.

It refers to former Governor Mark Sanford of SC going down to see his Argentine mistress while claiming he was hiking the Appalachian trail.

[Ashmoria]

who called on vitter to resign and when?

larry craig didnt resign.

mark sanford didnt resign.

I know those two didn't resign. I dunno why Larry Craig didn't resign but Sanford probably didn't because he didn't have too long left in office. Similarly, Maurepas left out John Ensign who did resign. Now, this isn't a call for resignation, but it is just as bad. The only reason why calls for Vitter's resignation weren't higher was because the governor of Louisiana would have appointed a Democrat at the time.

ohhh yeah. good answer. i forgot that

and while i think vitter should have been driven out, the people of louisiana have re elected him. if it doesnt bother them he should stay until he gets into trouble again.

[Ashmoria]

To answer truthfully, I don't know. The question that I want to ask is, how do people like this rise to the most powerful postions in the country !?! I mean, what is going on in your head when you have the honor to pledge an oath of public service & then decide to take a picture of your junk & send it to your supporters? You sure in hell aren't thinking about the country's budget problems. Every year we see more & more people who rise to power doing very, very stupid things. Am I the only one that thinks this is a strong sign that the process of how we select the people that represent us is not working?

I honestly believe that people who represent this country that get caught doing something like this should be deported & their assets striped.

Sorry for the rant.

thats a bit of an over reaction.

he was flirting online with women he barely knew and he sent them naughty photos (like ya do). a few women over a few years.

he didnt meet them. he didnt touch them. he didnt kiss them. he didnt fuck them.

that makes it no worse than flirting inappropriately with a woman at the office christmas party. getting tipsy and talking dirty with a woman not his wife.

he wouldnt get deported or whipped for that. his wife would be pissed when she found out but she wouldnt divorce him for it. she would tell him to cut it out.

and YOU will never know how many other reps, maybe your own, have done and continue to do this kind of thing and worse. you probably dont want to make candidates pass a personal purity test before getting voted into office or having the morality police checking that they all live up to your standards of personal behavior.

[Ashmoria]

It refers to former Governor Mark Sanford of SC going down to see his Argentine mistress while claiming he was hiking the Appalachian trail.

as larry flynt said on the rachel maddow show the other day: the sanford case was different. it was true love not a sleazy man with too much libido

[Sorvasia]

Uhh, what? I'm confused here...how is having bases in foreign countries unconstitutional again?

List one source from the US Constitution that states that our military, the US Armed Forces, has the right to establish military bases and preside sovereignty in pre-occupied nations following their capitulation and declarations of surrenders from another enemy or from American forces themselves. (e.g.: Germany, Japan, Afghanistan, Iraq, Kuwait, etc.)

There's a problem. Your source is the Libyan government. The same people who claimed that painkillers the protestors trying to get were hallucinogenic drugs. They weren't even particularly strong ones. Right now, I would anything that came out of the Devil's mouth before I would something that comes out of Gaddafi's mouth. At least Satan is sane.

Yet Gaddafi was the same person whose 18-month old daughter was killed by an American missile attack, at least that was factual. We have to be clear that foreign news correspondents are not allowed to enter Libya due to the no-fly zone and the chaos that is gripping the country into a halt, so you either receive the news from the Libyan state press, or the NATO press; your decision. We can't entirely base our arguments on these two sources, but frankly their all we got, and I'd like to use sources from each claimant to get an equal use of logic throughout. By the way, you can also check upon in YouTube for the videos where children are shown in the operating rooms who have sufferred not only from the Libyan rebels themselves, but from Gaddafi's government AND NATO air and missile strikes.

He didn't claim it was inbrutal, he claimed it violated sovereignty. There's a clear difference.

Since when was violating a nation's sovereignty NOT brutal? That's just as bad as refusing to observe them as a legitimate government.

Not all military personnel, all combat positions.

There's still a strong military presence of some 50,000, as stated by Al Jazeera, American troops in Iraq. I wouldn't necessary hallmark the last US military installed combat unit as the final end to the war. We still have American military presence in the country.

[Caninope]

Uhh, what? I'm confused here...how is having bases in foreign countries unconstitutional again?

List one source from the US Constitution that states that our military, the US Armed Forces, has the right to establish military bases and preside sovereignty in pre-occupied nations following their capitulation and declarations of surrenders from another enemy or from American forces themselves. (e.g.: Germany, Japan, Afghanistan, Iraq, Kuwait, etc.)

The part with treaties. Because all of our military bases come from treaties with the host nation, or the occupation of a nation during armed hostilities.

Yet Gaddafi was the same person whose 18-month old daughter was killed by an American missile attack, at least that was factual.

Untrue, compadre.

We have to be clear that foreign news correspondents are not allowed to enter Libya due to the no-fly zone and the chaos that is gripping the country into a halt, so you either receive the news from the Libyan state press, or the NATO press; your decision.

Except there are foreign news correspondents in Libya, albeit the Libyan government is trying to limit what they see.

We can't entirely base our arguments on these two sources, but frankly their all we got, and I'd like to use sources from each claimant to get an equal use of logic throughout.

Except Libya has proven itself untrustworthy while NATO has not.

By the way, you can also check upon in YouTube for the videos where children are shown in the operating rooms who have sufferred not only from the Libyan rebels themselves, but from Gaddafi's government AND NATO air and missile strikes.

No, children in operating rooms. The Libyan officials claim it comes from NATO strikes? See the difference?

Since when was violating a nation's sovereignty NOT brutal? That's just as bad as refusing to observe them as a legitimate government.

Since forever. The genocide in Rwanda didn't violate sovereignty and was brutal. The US strike in Pakistan to kill Bin Laden violated sovereignty but was not brutal. See the difference?

There's still a strong military presence of some 50,000, as stated by Al Jazeera, American troops in Iraq. I wouldn't necessary hallmark the last US military installed combat unit as the final end to the war. We still have American military presence in the country.

I would though. Saying there has to be a complete withdrawal of troops for the war to be over implies that World War II never ended.