Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 6:29 pm
Yes, because Ukrainians are going to put up with ANOTHER Moskali takeover...
Yes, because Ukrainians are going to put up with ANOTHER Moskali takeover...
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Should Turkey return the territories it has stolen?
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Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 6:29 pmYes, because Ukrainians are going to put up with ANOTHER Moskali takeover...
Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 6:29 pmTell that to His all Holiness Patriarch Bartholemew!
And I'm not a member of his church BTW
Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 6:31 pmPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 6:31 pmI underlined the words you seemed to have skipped. And if you're going to throw around Patriarchs, be good enough to explain who they are and why I should explain anything to them. I'm good but I'm not up on every single little thing, you know. Certainly not in the summer.
Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 6:38 pmBy all means, if the Greeks and Armenians want to revive irridentist notions and attempt an invasion of Turkey, then they can go for it. As it stands Turkey is stronger than either nation both economically and militarily, and has a larger population.
Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 6:41 pmQara-jin wrote:By all means, if the Greeks and Armenians want to revive irridentist notions and attempt an invasion of Turkey, then they can go for it. As it stands Turkey is stronger than either nation both economically and militarily, and has a larger population.
Oh, but Arilandon says the lands should just be given back, no need to get all invasiony. Or the Turks could allow the descendants of minorities to return and become part of the wonderfulness that is Turkey.
Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 6:46 pmPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 6:50 pmPosted: Sat Jun 18, 2011 12:02 amShhh
Israeli's are the only country that have unjustly taken territory.
Israeli's are the only country that have unjustly taken territory.
Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2011 12:06 amYes. Greeks lived in Anatolia for several millennia, until being expelled or killed by the Turks. I am not even Greek or Armenian, but rather a student of Byzantine history, and it is very hard for me to see Constantinople and Smyrna and such virtually purged of their Graeco-Roman history.
Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2011 12:11 amAdd Ukraine and Russia in, its going to be FUN.
Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2011 12:13 amWhy? Kurdish nationalism?
Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2011 12:13 amInternational Soviet Union wrote:Add Ukraine and Russia in, its going to be FUN.
List the Ukrainian and Russian lands owned by Turkey.
Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2011 12:23 amTurkey will never be split.
Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2011 12:27 amCentropyge wrote:Yes. Greeks lived in Anatolia for several millennia, until being expelled or killed by the Turks. I am not even Greek or Armenian, but rather a student of Byzantine history, and it is very hard for me to see Constantinople and Smyrna and such virtually purged of their Graeco-Roman history.
Your studies seem to have stopped short of 1453. And the de-hellenization of Anatolia began in the 11th century after Manzikert. There certainly were many Greeks in Smyrna and Constantinople and other cities, but Asia Minor has been very much Turkish for hundreds of years. Oh, and there were non-Greek denizens of the peninsula, you know, the Pelasgians. They were less than thrilled with the arrival of those barbarians from the north. People move, politics and war change things. Move on.
Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2011 12:28 amSure, after following events have taken place:-
Russia is given Ukraine, Belarus, Baltic nations and Finland along with half of Poland.
Germany is given Half of Poland, a but of Czech Republic, Alsace Lorraine.
Scotland is given independence.
Northern Ireland goes to Ireland.
USA gives its Southern part to Mexico.
Austria gets Hungary, along with many Central European nations.
India cedes large amount of its Northern half to Nepal.
Mongolia takes over China.
Persia takes over significant territory in Middle east.
Russia is given Ukraine, Belarus, Baltic nations and Finland along with half of Poland.
Germany is given Half of Poland, a but of Czech Republic, Alsace Lorraine.
Scotland is given independence.
Northern Ireland goes to Ireland.
USA gives its Southern part to Mexico.
Austria gets Hungary, along with many Central European nations.
India cedes large amount of its Northern half to Nepal.
Mongolia takes over China.
Persia takes over significant territory in Middle east.
Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2011 12:29 amGreat Nepal wrote:Sure, after following events have taken place:-
Russia is given Ukraine, Belarus, Baltic nations and Finland along with half of Poland.
Germany is given Half of Poland, a but of Czech Republic, Alsace Lorraine.
Scotland is given independence.
Northern Ireland goes to Ireland.
USA gives its Southern part to Mexico.
Austria gets Hungary, along with many Central European nations.
India cedes large amount of its Northern half to Nepal.
Mongolia takes over China.
Persia takes over significant territory in Middle east.
You left out pigs flying.
Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2011 12:47 amFarnhamia wrote:Great Nepal wrote:Sure, after following events have taken place:-
Russia is given Ukraine, Belarus, Baltic nations and Finland along with half of Poland.
Germany is given Half of Poland, a but of Czech Republic, Alsace Lorraine.
Scotland is given independence.
Northern Ireland goes to Ireland.
USA gives its Southern part to Mexico.
Austria gets Hungary, along with many Central European nations.
India cedes large amount of its Northern half to Nepal.
Mongolia takes over China.
Persia takes over significant territory in Middle east.
You left out pigs flying.
Let's not forget Britain also gives all of its' little islands to the Argentinians.
Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2011 12:54 amPosted: Sat Jun 18, 2011 1:00 amFarnhamia wrote:Qara-jin wrote:By all means, if the Greeks and Armenians want to revive irridentist notions and attempt an invasion of Turkey, then they can go for it. As it stands Turkey is stronger than either nation both economically and militarily, and has a larger population.
Oh, but Arilandon says the lands should just be given back, no need to get all invasiony. Or the Turks could allow the descendants of minorities to return and become part of the wonderfulness that is Turkey.
We should give every land in the world to Ethiopia.
Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2011 1:01 amWhy that? Why not give it to some beehive? They were here before us.
Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2011 1:57 amQara-jin wrote:By all means, if the Greeks and Armenians want to revive irridentist notions and attempt an invasion of Turkey, then they can go for it. As it stands Turkey is stronger than either nation both economically and militarily, and has a larger population.
Turk alert!
There is of course one huge difference in all of this. Things change of course, but looking away from the fact that Greeks and Armenians lived in that regions for eons before there ever was a Turk in those parts.
There is the simple fact, that they killed and displaced a huge amount of people to get those lands. And they never had to be held accountable for those actions, and now its ancient history. It’s a very stupid logic, by those standers all Israel have to, is keep the land they took for a long time. Then it will be alright. Seeing how it will be ancient history and all.
There are no people to claim the land back because so many of them died. That is why Turkey is stronger and has a far bigger population.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_genocide
500 000 to 1.5 million people dead.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_genocide
300 000 to 360 000 people dead.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assyrian_Genocide
270 000 to 750 000 people dead.
And we could also add this fun event.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dersim_genocide
13 000 -70 000 Kurdish people killed
Turkey is built open blood and suffering. But it’s really swell that it’s secular and all. I am sure that is big comfort to the dead.
Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2011 2:22 amIt should keep its territories. There are only about 2,000-3,000 Greeks in all of Turkey. So why would Turkey give up 13,000,000 of its people (more if you are talking about the Megali Idea.) and its capital to a country who has no legal claim? And on top of that, they should also give territories to the Armenians. Doesn't make sense really.
Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2011 2:36 amIhaveafreeweek wrote:Qara-jin wrote:By all means, if the Greeks and Armenians want to revive irridentist notions and attempt an invasion of Turkey, then they can go for it. As it stands Turkey is stronger than either nation both economically and militarily, and has a larger population.
Turk alert!
There is of course one huge difference in all of this. Things change of course, but looking away from the fact that Greeks and Armenians lived in that regions for eons before there ever was a Turk in those parts.
There is the simple fact, that they killed and displaced a huge amount of people to get those lands. And they never had to be held accountable for those actions, and now its ancient history. It’s a very stupid logic, by those standers all Israel have to, is keep the land they took for a long time. Then it will be alright. Seeing how it will be ancient history and all.
There are no people to claim the land back because so many of them died. That is why Turkey is stronger and has a far bigger population.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_genocide
500 000 to 1.5 million people dead.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_genocide
300 000 to 360 000 people dead.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assyrian_Genocide
270 000 to 750 000 people dead.
And we could also add this fun event.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dersim_genocide
13 000 -70 000 Kurdish people killed
Turkey is built open blood and suffering. But it’s really swell that it’s secular and all. I am sure that is big comfort to the dead.
The dead are dead and need no comforting. Even the Armenian government makes no territorial demands, that I know of. As for living in areas for eons, the Greeks drove out the original inhabitants of Greece, the Armenians drove out the people living in Armenia, the Hebrews drove out Canaanites. Making territorial adjustments in Asia Minor now is not possible.
Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2011 2:43 amMustafa Kemal Ataturk suspects that the op may be somewhat displeased because he'll kick less ass his his entire life than Mustafa Kemal Ataturk kicked on every single day of his life.
