Should Turkey return the territories it has stolen?

[Farnhamia]

Not so.

What's the minimum amount of land that has to have been "stolen" by the Turks, to meet your criteria?

My criteria of what?

Your criteria of outrage on behalf of people who had land stolen. So, what? 100,000 km²? 500,000? A million?

[Arilandon]

The last thread like this was only up a month ago. It was called, 'Why does Turkey steal land that does not belong to them?' and it was dealing with the same treaties that are the focus of this one.

Locked in less than three days for all the tension it caused....if anyone cares to keep this from a similar fate I recommend that you remember that the mods will be watching and waiting.

I seached and found no matches. Can you link to it?

[Keronians]

Depends on how it benefits them to do so, I suppose.

If they want to get into the EU they should probably move out of Norther Cyprus; though in I seriously doubt they'll ever be let in as a member.

Not at the present, though.

Unfortunately, one of the big reasons for that is the fact that they're an Islamic majority nation.

[Farnhamia]

Really? How did I miss that? I don't feel particularly tense, do you? Arilandon might be feeling a little surrounded, though.

I'm really relaxed. It's Friday, I got a bottle of beer and I'm cooking a pizza.

Guess I really need to choke down a salad first. Trying to get healthy.

If you have a diet soda with the pizza it cancels a lot of the calories. Or you could try starving, like my relatives did, courtesy of the Turks (just to not completely threadjack).

[Canadian Davsland]

To put it simply, No I do not think they should give them back.

[Arilandon]

Because they are equally spread around it would be impossible for them to get a nation-state.

At least they're actually there (and there are hundreds of thousands in nearby North Iraq), unlike the Greeks whose population in Turkey numbers 2,500.

That's because the greeks, who were guaranteed protection in the peace treaty, suffered an extreme amount of discrimination in taxation, education etc and thus most of them were forced to leave.

[Arilandon]

Because there are over 2 million descendants!

So, clearly, if you're in a significant minority, you don't deserve to have the injustices against YOU reversed.

Yep. Seeing it now.

No it's because a viable nation state could not be created exept through ethnic cleansing.

[Arilandon]

My criteria of what?

Your criteria of outrage on behalf of people who had land stolen. So, what? 100,000 km²? 500,000? A million?

I dont measure in area, i measure in the number of people murdered, forcefully removed etc.

[Farnhamia]

Your criteria of outrage on behalf of people who had land stolen. So, what? 100,000 km²? 500,000? A million?

I dont measure in area, i measure in the number of people murdered, forcefully removed etc.

I see. Well, reports of the Assyrians killed and removed run between 250,000 and 750,000. I guess that's not enough. Too bad for them.

[Galloism]

So, clearly, if you're in a significant minority, you don't deserve to have the injustices against YOU reversed.

Yep. Seeing it now.

No it's because a viable nation state could not be created exept through ethnic cleansing.

With... what did Farn say, 22,000 people?

The lowest population sovereign nation I know of (currently in existence) only has a population of 829 people.

[Lydenburg]

The last thread like this was only up a month ago. It was called, 'Why does Turkey steal land that does not belong to them?' and it was dealing with the same treaties that are the focus of this one.

Locked in less than three days for all the tension it caused....if anyone cares to keep this from a similar fate I recommend that you remember that the mods will be watching and waiting.

I seached and found no matches. Can you link to it?

It is no longer under the list of topics I bookmarked. Perhaps it was deleted? But I am very sure there was such a topic. I can name people whom I can recall commenting on it.

[Arilandon]

I dont measure in area, i measure in the number of people murdered, forcefully removed etc.

I see. Well, reports of the Assyrians killed and removed run between 250,000 and 750,000. I guess that's not enough. Too bad for them.

it's because a viable nation state could not be created exept through ethnic cleansing.

[Keronians]

No it's because a viable nation state could not be created exept through ethnic cleansing.

With... what did Farn say, 22,000 people?

The lowest population sovereign nation I know of (currently in existence) only has a population of 829 people.

Vatican City?

[Arilandon]

No it's because a viable nation state could not be created exept through ethnic cleansing.

With... what did Farn say, 22,000 people?

The lowest population sovereign nation I know of (currently in existence) only has a population of 829 people.

Many more turks live in the area as such the assyrians would not compose a majority of the population.

[Farnhamia]

With... what did Farn say, 22,000 people?

The lowest population sovereign nation I know of (currently in existence) only has a population of 829 people.

Vatican City?

500 there, and 50 in the Pitcairn Islands.

[Arilandon]

Vatican City?

500 there, and 50 in the Pitcairn Islands.

The Pitcairn Islands are not a sovereign nation.

[Farnhamia]

I see. Well, reports of the Assyrians killed and removed run between 250,000 and 750,000. I guess that's not enough. Too bad for them.

it's because a viable nation state could not be created exept through ethnic cleansing.

There is no way any of the areas in the Treaty of Sèvres could be implemented without ethnic cleansing.

[Farnhamia]

500 there, and 50 in the Pitcairn Islands.

The Pitcairn Islands are not a sovereign nation.

They would be if the refugees and descendants had a right of return.

[Galloism]

The Pitcairn Islands are not a sovereign nation.

They would be if the refugees and descendants had a right of return.

I predict that phrase will see a lot of use.

[Arilandon]

it's because a viable nation state could not be created exept through ethnic cleansing.

There is no way any of the areas in the Treaty of Sèvres could be implemented without ethnic cleansing.

If refugees are allowed to returnooooo.

[Arilandon]

The Pitcairn Islands are not a sovereign nation.

They would be if the refugees and descendants had a right of return.

lol wut?

[Lydenburg]

I think I've discovered the lost thread. I saw it up for only three days before it was locked, but it turns out that it was closer to four months ago.

http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=97538

[Farnhamia]

They would be if the refugees and descendants had a right of return.

lol wut?

Exactly.

[Farnhamia]

There is no way any of the areas in the Treaty of Sèvres could be implemented without ethnic cleansing.

If refugees are allowed to returnooooo.

*returning refugee knocks on the door of a house, and the Turkish owner opens it*
Returnee: I hate to disturb you, but my ancestors lived here about 100 years ago, and the Treaty of Sèvres implementation agency has determined that I am entitled to this property. Nice job you've done maintaining the place, too, by the way. So, I don't want to put you to too much trouble, but could you move out in a week's time?"

Turkish Owner: What are you, crazy? *slams door*

Yes, that will go very, very well.

[Fellrike]

Hatay was once an independent republic. Should it secede, and become sovereign again?