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Should Turkey return the territories it has stolen from Greece, Armenia and Kurdistan?

Yes, but more than in the Treaty of Sèvres
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10%
Yes
28
19%
Only allow the creation of an independant kurdish state
32
22%
No
62
42%
Other
11
7%
 
Total votes : 147

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Postby Galloism » Fri Jun 17, 2011 5:39 pm

Fellrike wrote:Hatay was once an independent republic. Should it secede, and become sovereign again?

So was Athens.

All hail the Athenian Nation.
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Postby Arilandon » Fri Jun 17, 2011 5:40 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Arilandon wrote:lol wut? :palm:

Exactly.

There are no refugees.

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Postby Arilandon » Fri Jun 17, 2011 5:41 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Arilandon wrote:If refugees are allowed to returnooooo.

*returning refugee knocks on the door of a house, and the Turkish owner opens it*
Returnee: I hate to disturb you, but my ancestors lived here about 100 years ago, and the Treaty of Sèvres implementation agency has determined that I am entitled to this property. Nice job you've done maintaining the place, too, by the way. So, I don't want to put you to too much trouble, but could you move out in a week's time?"

Turkish Owner: What are you, crazy? *slams door*

Yes, that will go very, very well.

I do not support the regaining of lost property.

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Postby Arilandon » Fri Jun 17, 2011 5:42 pm

Fellrike wrote:Hatay was once an independent republic. Should it secede, and become sovereign again?

Which one of these was it?
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Postby Farnhamia » Fri Jun 17, 2011 5:44 pm

Fellrike wrote:Hatay was once an independent republic. Should it secede, and become sovereign again?

For 10 months, from September 7, 1938 to June 29, 1939, when it became part of the Republic of Turkey. Does seem to have been a bit of bullying by the Turks, though. And I believe the Syrians claim the area, too. Didn't Indiana Jones liberate the place after retrieving the Holy Grail with his father?
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Postby Arilandon » Fri Jun 17, 2011 5:44 pm

Galloism wrote:
Fellrike wrote:Hatay was once an independent republic. Should it secede, and become sovereign again?

So was Athens.

All hail the Athenian Nation.

All hail the Turkish-Islamic Empire
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Postby Farnhamia » Fri Jun 17, 2011 5:45 pm

Arilandon wrote:
Fellrike wrote:Hatay was once an independent republic. Should it secede, and become sovereign again?

Which one of these was it?
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It was part of the Alexandretta sanjak.
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Postby Auremena » Fri Jun 17, 2011 5:47 pm

A lot of the territory was taken by someone else to begin with (save Armenia and Greece)
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Postby Galloism » Fri Jun 17, 2011 5:48 pm

Arilandon wrote:
Galloism wrote:So was Athens.

All hail the Athenian Nation.

All hail the TURKISH-ISLAMIC EMPIRE
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Exactly.

Now, is my sarcasm driving the point home or not?
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Postby Farnhamia » Fri Jun 17, 2011 5:49 pm

Auremena wrote:A lot of the territory was taken by someone else to begin with (save Armenia and Greece)

Sorry, what?
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Postby Arilandon » Fri Jun 17, 2011 5:49 pm

Galloism wrote:
Arilandon wrote:All hail the TURKISH-ISLAMIC EMPIRE
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Exactly.

Now, is my sarcasm driving the point home or not?

Clearly it's not.

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Postby Galloism » Fri Jun 17, 2011 5:51 pm

Arilandon wrote:
Galloism wrote:Exactly.

Now, is my sarcasm driving the point home or not?

Clearly it's not.

Every piece of land everywhere in the world was taken from someone else at some point in time, usually unjustly (with scarce few exceptions, I'd imagine).

Saying that 100 years ago territory belonged to X and was taken by Y and should be given back, taken to its logical conclusion, means that everyone should give the land back to everyone everywhere.
Venicilian: wow. Jesus hung around with everyone. boys, girls, rich, poor(mostly), sick, healthy, etc. in fact, i bet he even went up to gay people and tried to heal them so they would be straight.
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Postby Farnhamia » Fri Jun 17, 2011 5:52 pm

Galloism wrote:
Arilandon wrote:Clearly it's not.

Every piece of land everywhere in the world was taken from someone else at some point in time, usually unjustly (with scarce few exceptions, I'd imagine).

Saying that 100 years ago territory belonged to X and was taken by Y and should be given back, taken to its logical conclusion, means that everyone should give the land back to everyone everywhere.

*blows piercing whistle* Alright, everybody back to the place their ultimate ancestor came from! And Arilandon is charged homelands for being unable to comprehend sarcasm.
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Postby Galloism » Fri Jun 17, 2011 5:54 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Galloism wrote:Every piece of land everywhere in the world was taken from someone else at some point in time, usually unjustly (with scarce few exceptions, I'd imagine).

Saying that 100 years ago territory belonged to X and was taken by Y and should be given back, taken to its logical conclusion, means that everyone should give the land back to everyone everywhere.

*blows piercing whistle* Alright, everybody back to the place their ultimate ancestor came from! And Arilandon is charged homelands for being unable to comprehend sarcasm.

Umm...

I think that means we just put the whole world in Africa.
Venicilian: wow. Jesus hung around with everyone. boys, girls, rich, poor(mostly), sick, healthy, etc. in fact, i bet he even went up to gay people and tried to heal them so they would be straight.
The Parkus Empire: Being serious on NSG is like wearing a suit to a nude beach.
New Kereptica: Since power is changed energy over time, an increase in power would mean, in this case, an increase in energy. As energy is equivalent to mass and the density of the government is static, the volume of the government must increase.


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Postby Arilandon » Fri Jun 17, 2011 5:56 pm

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Postby Keronians » Fri Jun 17, 2011 5:57 pm

Galloism wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:*blows piercing whistle* Alright, everybody back to the place their ultimate ancestor came from! And Arilandon is charged homelands for being unable to comprehend sarcasm.

Umm...

I think that means we just put the whole world in Africa.


Eastern Africa to be precise.

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Postby Farnhamia » Fri Jun 17, 2011 5:58 pm

Galloism wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:*blows piercing whistle* Alright, everybody back to the place their ultimate ancestor came from! And Arilandon is charged homelands for being unable to comprehend sarcasm.

Umm...

I think that means we just put the whole world in Africa.

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Postby Meowfoundland » Fri Jun 17, 2011 5:58 pm

Just to the Kurds and maybe give Mount Ararat to Armenia.

All of the other areas have Turkish majorities now, thanks to the population swaps.
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Postby Deutsch Nationalisten » Fri Jun 17, 2011 5:59 pm

I don't really care.

I just think Poland belongs to Germany.

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Postby Auremena » Fri Jun 17, 2011 6:00 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Auremena wrote:A lot of the territory was taken by someone else to begin with (save Armenia and Greece)
Sorry, what?
Just look at the map in the OP. The placed that Turkey conquered from Italy, France, and Britain, were all conquered by that respective nation from what probably were Turkic tribal areas.
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Postby Farnhamia » Fri Jun 17, 2011 6:00 pm

Arilandon wrote:
Galloism wrote:Every piece of land everywhere in the world was taken from someone else at some point in time, usually unjustly (with scarce few exceptions, I'd imagine).

Saying that 100 years ago territory belonged to X and was taken by Y and should be given back, taken to its logical conclusion, means that everyone should give the land back to everyone everywhere.

Greater Germany
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Greater Poland
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Greater Sweden
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Greater Greece
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Greater Armenia
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[notamod]Pic spam, don't do it. Is this why you're posting as ArilandoN and not Arilando?[/notamod]

Your point?
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Postby Arilandon » Fri Jun 17, 2011 6:01 pm

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Postby Farnhamia » Fri Jun 17, 2011 6:02 pm

Auremena wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:Sorry, what?
Just look at the map in the OP. The placed that Turkey conquered from Italy, France, and Britain, were all conquered by that respective nation from what probably were Turkic tribal areas.

Oh, I see. Yes, well, those areas were "given" to Italy, France and Britain by virtue of their having won the First World War. They weren't actually conquered and in fact, save for Italy, they were never occupied by those countries. I could be wrong, but I think that's right.
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Now the foot is on the other hand ~ Kannap
RIP Dyakovo ... Ashmoria (Freedom ... or cake)
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Postby Galloism » Fri Jun 17, 2011 6:03 pm

Arilandon wrote:These are all national aspirations i support.


Some of those overlap, you know.
Venicilian: wow. Jesus hung around with everyone. boys, girls, rich, poor(mostly), sick, healthy, etc. in fact, i bet he even went up to gay people and tried to heal them so they would be straight.
The Parkus Empire: Being serious on NSG is like wearing a suit to a nude beach.
New Kereptica: Since power is changed energy over time, an increase in power would mean, in this case, an increase in energy. As energy is equivalent to mass and the density of the government is static, the volume of the government must increase.


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Postby Farnhamia » Fri Jun 17, 2011 6:04 pm

Arilandon wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:[notamod]Pic spam, don't do it. Is this why you're posting as ArilandoN and not Arilando?[/notamod]

Your point?

See edits. Did that help?

Your German and Polish aspirations overlap. And you're really out of touch with reality, I see. Good to know.
Make Earth Great Again: Stop Continental Drift!
And Jesus was a sailor when he walked upon the water ...
"Make yourself at home, Frank. Hit somebody." RIP Don Rickles
My country, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right; and if wrong, to be set right. ~ Carl Schurz
<Sigh> NSG...where even the atheists are Augustinians. ~ The Archregimancy
Now the foot is on the other hand ~ Kannap
RIP Dyakovo ... Ashmoria (Freedom ... or cake)
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