Do U Believe in Aliens?

[Great Nepal]

Or, we could find that they are in fact very helpful species who give us some alien tech? And, what significant resorce does earth have to justify cost, time or effort of an invasion?

Liquid water,

They could simply make it by combining oxygen and hydrogen... for much cheaper than sending millions of troops across billions of kms and then deal with resistance.

or any of the other abundant minerals, etc, found on our planet.

Same as water - just with different atoms.

Or the simple fact that since our planet is life-bearing that it may (just may) be tolerable in some capacity for alien life.

Yes, but there are a lot of land in other planets and can be terraformed for much cheaper than sending millions of troops across billions of kms.

[Ifreann]

Or maybe they find our women hot.

Oh wait, that's now how biology works.

Ehh... I don't know. People tend to assume that our first encounter with alien life would be either war, or us being educated by superior teachers...

...based on the history of our species, I think the unfortunate truth is that our first encounters with aliens will involve us trying to either fuck them, or eat them. Or both.

Perhaps they'll educate us in the ways of love *cue Barry White*

[Luciratus]

So, do you?
Most certainly.

If so, do you think they are friendly?
Usually, but it depends.

If so, do you think they are visiting earth?
Well, they do live right across the border...

Are they hostile?
Aside from the drug cartels, no.

Are their more than one species?
Yes. Humans and those damn monarch butterflies.

Just tell us, do you BELIEVE!
Yes.

[Southern Patriots]

Liquid water,

They could simply make it by combining oxygen and hydrogen... for much cheaper than sending millions of troops across billions of kms and then deal with resistance.

or any of the other abundant minerals, etc, found on our planet.

Same as water - just with different atoms.

Or the simple fact that since our planet is life-bearing that it may (just may) be tolerable in some capacity for alien life.

Yes, but there are a lot of land in other planets and can be terraformed for much cheaper than sending millions of troops across billions of kms.

Technology is not linear, and though it seem alien to us that a species could possess say the capacity for space travel but not an excessive amount of knowledge to make liquid water in plentiful amounts... that is part of what makes them alien.

Better to be safe than sorry. Even a "peaceful" contact could have devastating results for humanity.

[Salandriagado]

Yes, but there are a lot of land in other planets and can be terraformed for much cheaper than sending millions of troops across billions of kms.

We aren't talking billions of kilometres. We are talking quite probably thousands of light years, or more. The issue is nothing to do with the cost of getting here, it's entirely the impracticality of doing ANYTHING over such distances and such large lag times.

[ImperialPoland]

With such a large universe, it'd be ignorant to believe that Earth is the only planet that supports life. I do believe that aliens exist somewhere in the universe, that there may be different species, and that some species may be more hostile than others.

what he/she said.

[Big Jim P]

Believe in them? I am one of them. You don't think I want to be lumped in with you humans do you?

[Luciratus]

They could simply make it by combining oxygen and hydrogen... for much cheaper than sending millions of troops across billions of kms and then deal with resistance.


Same as water - just with different atoms.


Yes, but there are a lot of land in other planets and can be terraformed for much cheaper than sending millions of troops across billions of kms.

Technology is not linear, and though it seem alien to us that a species could possess say the capacity for space travel but not an excessive amount of knowledge to make liquid water in plentiful amounts... that is part of what makes them alien.

Better to be safe than sorry. Even a "peaceful" contact could have devastating results for humanity.

Well, any contact would essentially re-define the manner in which we viewed the universe- whether for better or for worse.

[Luciratus]

Believe in them? I am one of them. You don't think I want to be lumped in with you humans do you?

Horrid creatures, those humans are.

[Grave_n_idle]

They could simply make it by combining oxygen and hydrogen... for much cheaper than sending millions of troops across billions of kms and then deal with resistance.


Same as water - just with different atoms.


Yes, but there are a lot of land in other planets and can be terraformed for much cheaper than sending millions of troops across billions of kms.

Technology is not linear, and though it seem alien to us that a species could possess say the capacity for space travel but not an excessive amount of knowledge to make liquid water in plentiful amounts... that is part of what makes them alien.

We're not just talking about 'space travel', though. We have the capacity for 'space travel', but not in any realistic or viable manner. It would take us multiple lifetimes to get to even the closest stars - and there's no reason to believe there's life there.

So, aliens that we met are going to have to have discovered technology that lets them cover phenomenal distance in a realistic time-frame.

Not to mention, they are going to have to have technology that lets them harvest or transform some kind of 'reaction mass' to power their interstellar vessel. It seems unlikely that a species that can perform that kind of scientific prestidigitation, can't burn hydrogen in an oxygen atmosphere.

[Big Jim P]

Believe in them? I am one of them. You don't think I want to be lumped in with you humans do you?

Horrid creatures, those humans are.

Very true.

[Eirian Mick]

Honestly, the only reason they don't visit us is because we are ALWAYS at war about SOMETHING and we've COMPLETELY trashed the planet. Think of it this way: Would you want to go to a person's house if the people living there were disgusting, lazy, and ALWAYS fighting? I don't just mean loud talking and arguing; I MEAN FIGHTING. I am NOT saying all humans are like this, but most of you are...

[The Matriarchians]

Are they hostile? If they're no better than humans, then yes.

That is going in my sig!

P. S. I do believe in aliens, it just unlike that there is none.

[Southern Patriots]

Technology is not linear, and though it seem alien to us that a species could possess say the capacity for space travel but not an excessive amount of knowledge to make liquid water in plentiful amounts... that is part of what makes them alien.

We're not just talking about 'space travel', though. We have the capacity for 'space travel', but not in any realistic or viable manner. It would take us multiple lifetimes to get to even the closest stars - and there's no reason to believe there's life there.

So, aliens that we met are going to have to have discovered technology that lets them cover phenomenal distance in a realistic time-frame.

Not to mention, they are going to have to have technology that lets them harvest or transform some kind of 'reaction mass' to power their interstellar vessel. It seems unlikely that a species that can perform that kind of scientific prestidigitation, can't burn hydrogen in an oxygen atmosphere.

Again, why they are alien to us. If we could fathom everything about their biology, technology, or motives, well they wouldn't be very alien at all. Their capacity for space travel may very well be natural and biological. They could be non-terrestrial, originate in gas giants, etc, etc.

Assuming they choose to do things for the reasons we may or may not is folly and isn't worth betting the survival of the human race on. Like what far more esteemed and knowledgeable scientists than us have said.

[Licana]

Considering the scale of the universe, it would be almost idiotic not to in my mind. Do they know, care, or have the means to travel to us? Probably not.

[Luciratus]

Honestly, the only reason they don't visit us is because we are ALWAYS at war about SOMETHING and we've COMPLETELY trashed the planet. Think of it this way: Would you want to go to a person's house if the people living there were disgusting, lazy, and ALWAYS fighting? I don't just mean loud talking and arguing; I MEAN FIGHTING. I am NOT saying all humans are like this, but most of you are...

Hyperbole?

[Ifreann]

Honestly, the only reason they don't visit us is because we are ALWAYS at war about SOMETHING and we've COMPLETELY trashed the planet. Think of it this way: Would you want to go to a person's house if the people living there were disgusting, lazy, and ALWAYS fighting? I don't just mean loud talking and arguing; I MEAN FIGHTING.

How can you possibly know the first thing about what aliens think of us? Never mind for the moment how they know we're always at war or whatever, they're fucking aliens. What makes you think they're going to think humanity is as awful as you think we are?

I am NOT saying all humans are like this, but most of you are...

PROTIP: You're human too, sunshine.

[Licana]

Honestly, the only reason they don't visit us is because we are ALWAYS at war about SOMETHING and we've COMPLETELY trashed the planet.

I think it's more likely to do with how mindbogglingly insanely difficult it would be to reach us without using sci fi majicks.

[Living Freedom Land]

Honestly, the only reason they don't visit us is because we are ALWAYS at war about SOMETHING and we've COMPLETELY trashed the planet. Think of it this way: Would you want to go to a person's house if the people living there were disgusting, lazy, and ALWAYS fighting? I don't just mean loud talking and arguing; I MEAN FIGHTING. I am NOT saying all humans are like this, but most of you are...

Are you going to renounce your humanity now?

[Al-Harakut al-Islami]

Or maybe they find our women hot.

Oh wait, that's now how biology works.

Ehh... I don't know. People tend to assume that our first encounter with alien life would be either war, or us being educated by superior teachers...

...based on the history of our species, I think the unfortunate truth is that our first encounters with aliens will involve us trying to either fuck them, or eat them. Or both.

Or eating while impregnating them?

[Grave_n_idle]

Again, why they are alien to us. If we could fathom everything about their biology, technology, or motives, well they wouldn't be very alien at all.

I'm not saying we have to fathom everything about their biology, technology, or motives. Or that they have to do the same about us.

I'm saying that if they can do the kind of chemistry that would be required to travel interstellar distances in a time-frame that would make resource gathering viable... then they can do the kind of chemistry that makes liquid water out of elemental material.

Their capacity for space travel may very well be natural and biological. They could be non-terrestrial, originate in gas giants, etc, etc.

This is true, and such alien life-forms would be unlikely to be coming here looking for resources.

Assuming they choose to do things for the reasons we may or may not is folly and isn't worth betting the survival of the human race on.

I didn't say anything about their reasons, or anything about 'betting' our 'survival' on it. I'm talking pure pragmatism. Aliens that have an urgent need for resources aren't going to waste resources. You don't have to know anything about their biology or motives to see that.

Like what far more esteemed and knowledgeable scientists than us have said.

There are no more esteemed or knowledgeable scientists in this field.

[Redzon]

Do I believe in alien, well yes, I do actually?

Do I believe that they have visited us, I'm not sure, there's no concrete proof to back that claim.

I believe they are living somewhere in this universe. After all we can't be alone. Even this galaxy is quite small compare to all the other groups of galaxies out there, so to say that they are probably extra solar planet that contain waters and can sustain life, it's not too far to say isn't it?

They are out there someone and we can't reach them with our MT.

[Southern Patriots]

I'm not saying we have to fathom everything about their biology, technology, or motives. Or that they have to do the same about us.

I'm saying that if they can do the kind of chemistry that would be required to travel interstellar distances in a time-frame that would make resource gathering viable... then they can do the kind of chemistry that makes liquid water out of elemental material.

That is assuming the accumulation of knowledge and technology is linear, that since they have one thing they must have another. With alien life we can't make that assumption.

This is true, and such alien life-forms would be unlikely to be coming here looking for resources.

Now you're fathoming their motives.

I didn't say anything about their reasons, or anything about 'betting' our 'survival' on it. I'm talking pure pragmatism. Aliens that have an urgent need for resources aren't going to waste resources. You don't have to know anything about their biology or motives to see that.

What you may assume is a waste may be plentiful to them. Your attempt at pragmatism is trying to understand or guess their motives.

There are no more esteemed or knowledgeable scientists in this field.

Splitting hairs that since we haven't met alien life that no one's theories are qualified. Stephen Hawking is a slightly more credible source for advice on this situation than anyone on NSG, I'm afraid.

[Aethrys]

Alright, it's pretty clear to me that you're too much of a condescending prick to think for a minute and comprehend what I'm trying to get through to you, so I'll politely run it through for you one more time.

I am not saying they found fossilized bacteria.

My whole point was that you appear to be saying that if they DID find fossilized bacteria on another planet, that would not be evidence of alien life, which is absurd.

I do not believe evidence of alien life has been found.

I doubt aliens visit our planet.

However, I believe that it is likely that there is some form of life elsewhere, key word being life, which is not synonymous with civilization. I am not a tinfoil hat wearing roswell believer who thinks the government is cutting up aliens under the pentagon.

Please unwedge that stick from your ass, won't you?

Politely? Lawl.

First of all, it has to be proven that said microfissures were DEFINITELY caused by dead and fossilized bacteria.

Second, it would be evidence of death or extinction, not life. Life does not equal former life. Unless you'd care to re-define the parameters of "alien life" for the thread so that we can all make sure that UFO-believers' fantasies are adequately coddled.

You've proven once again that you are incapable of reading, even when I go out of my way to spell something out in a manner simple enough for you to understand.

Space, is big. Really big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mindbogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space.

According to you, anyone who considers the possibility that in that incomprehensible void, there might be some form of life other than that which is isolated at this one particular location is a crackpot conspiracy theorist.

[Ifreann]

Space, is big. Really big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mindbogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space.

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