BART cop who shot man is released after 1 year sentence

[Ifreann]

So now we're down to 70% of the posts. Somehow I think you just mean Natapoc. Maybe one or two others. Why not just name them instead of tarring everyone here with the same brush?

I can't remember the other two or three.

Their posts are still there, I'm sure.

[Natapoc]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Tmh9B8LVxM

please point out where Self-Defense can be argued.

gg reading comprehension

This post would be relevant if I'd say "His actions were in self defence, which you say does not exist", however i did not. i merely pointed out natapoc's faulty logic implies that the act of self-defence in general does not exist

Speaking of reading comprehension... My logic does not say that at all. You are reading into what I said.

[Galla-]

gg reading comprehension

This post would be relevant if I'd say "His actions were in self defence, which you say does not exist", however i did not. i merely pointed out natapoc's faulty logic implies that the act of self-defence in general does not exist

Speaking of reading comprehension... My logic does not say that at all. You are reading into what I said.

Then people on NSG will spend hours trying to defend the cop who murdered you (OH SORRY I mean manslaughtered you)

You're saying that intentions shouldn't be taken into account, and even manslaughter should be considered first degree, premeditated murder. That isn't reading into it, that is what you said. I'm drawing no uncertain implications from that sentence whatsoever, you're explicitly implying that he murdered the man in a premeditated fashion.

[Natapoc]

Speaking of reading comprehension... My logic does not say that at all. You are reading into what I said.

Then people on NSG will spend hours trying to defend the cop who murdered you (OH SORRY I mean manslaughtered you)

You're saying that intentions shouldn't be taken into account, and even manslaughter should be considered first degree, premeditated murder. That isn't reading into it, that is what you said.

It's not what I said at all.

[Rokartian States]

You're saying that intentions shouldn't be taken into account, and even manslaughter should be considered first degree, premeditated murder. That isn't reading into it, that is what you said.

It's not what I said at all.

Then explain why his actions after the incident are irrelevant.

[Galla-]

You're saying that intentions shouldn't be taken into account, and even manslaughter should be considered first degree, premeditated murder. That isn't reading into it, that is what you said.

It's not what I said at all.

Then what is it, besides saying manslaughter = murder?

Is manslaughter only murder if the victim is a minority "race", or killed by a "white" man?

The look of abject shock and horror on the officer's face (ffs i cba to spell that name) after shooting him with a pistol, and consistently claiming that he thought said pistol was a stun gun does not say that he had left the station that day, intending to shoot a homeless man in cold blood because of some sadistic pleasure.

[Natapoc]

It's not what I said at all.

Then what is it, besides saying manslaughter = murder?

Is manslaughter only murder if the victim is a minority "race", or killed by a "white" man?

The look of abject shock and horror on the officer's face (ffs i cba to spell that name) after shooting him with a pistol, and consistently claiming that he thought said pistol was a stun gun does not say that he had left the station that day, intending to shoot a homeless man in cold blood because of some sadistic pleasure.

Can you show me this image of the officer that looks shocked and horrified after he shot the guy?

[Andaluciae]

He was only suspended with pay while in prison. He is back on the force with a promotion from time in service to the force.

Dammit....

Welcome to the wonderful world of public sector union employees. We're pretty much impossible to remove, once we get into a position.

[Norstal]

Dammit....

Welcome to the wonderful world of public sector union employees. We're pretty much impossible to remove, once we get into a position.

That's what she said?

Anyways, I don't believe the cop would be given another patrol duty or anything like that. Maybe he'll become a janitor or something.

[Galla-]

Then what is it, besides saying manslaughter = murder?

Is manslaughter only murder if the victim is a minority "race", or killed by a "white" man?

The look of abject shock and horror on the officer's face (ffs i cba to spell that name) after shooting him with a pistol, and consistently claiming that he thought said pistol was a stun gun does not say that he had left the station that day, intending to shoot a homeless man in cold blood because of some sadistic pleasure.

Can you show me this image of the officer that looks shocked and horrified after he shot the guy?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFNDK8PQ ... re=related

near the end you can see him walking with his hand over his mouth May be a slight exaggeration, but he certainly looks quite shocked.

Video quality is such shit, though, the officers all look the same.

[Natapoc]

Can you show me this image of the officer that looks shocked and horrified after he shot the guy?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFNDK8PQ ... re=related

near the end you can see him walking with his hand over his mouth May be a slight exaggeration, but he certainly looks quite shocked.

Video quality is such shit, though, the officers all look the same.

You are right, it is quite an exaggeration. I really don't see it. Sorry. Any non cop eye witnesses back up your side of the story that you can link to?

[Wiztopia]

Oscar Grant was a citizen on christmas eve when he was stopped by a BART cop, The BART cop told Oscar Grant to sit down on the floor for suspected (I think it was drug realted) when the cop turned his back to Oscar to talk to another cop, Oscar had gotton up and was sprinting towards the cop, the BART cop panicked and menat to take out his teaser, when really he took out his gun, he shot Oscar Grant and ended up killing him. Well anyway after serving a 1 and a half year in jail for his actions The BART cop was released today and naturally there is a 'peaceful' protest. While I am not saying that it is right for the BART cop to shoot someone 1) he was panicking because some guy he suspected of being on drugs was sprinting towards him, how was he supposed to know that he was really sprinting towards the exit behind him 2)he meant to grab his teaser which he had just borrowed from a fellow BART cop because the city did not give enough teasers to the cops, so it was around 3 cops sharing a teaser. Another thing, why would Grant run if he was not guilty. When his sentence of 1 year was carried out there was supposed to be a 'peaceful' prtoest that night, it turned into a full scale riot and the riot police were called in. The most damning thing of all when asked by news groups what she thought of the sentence Oscar's mother said "You just watch it going to be going down tonight, you just wait and see" and walah, riot. The BART cop was released today after a year and a half in incarceration, and there was a protest today, in which protesters are demanding the disarment of cops and saying that the shooting was a violation of Civil Rights, I think that this is taking it too far, taking the evidence it is understandable why he shoot the man no matter how unjust, now he is having people calling him a racist, wanting a civil rights charge against him, I think cops have a hard enough as it is, what do you think NSGers? should civil rights be charged? should he be incarerated longer? do you think that a racist charge is justified just because the cop was white and Oscar was black?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BART_Police_shooting_of_Oscar_Grant
http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2011/06/12/oscar-grant-supporters-gather-at-oakland-fruitvale-bart-station-to-protest-mehserle-release/
http://kron4.net/

Nice job making up bullshit. He was on the ground when he pulled out his fucking "taser" for no reason at all but to commit murder.

[Galla-]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFNDK8PQ ... re=related

near the end you can see him walking with his hand over his mouth May be a slight exaggeration, but he certainly looks quite shocked.

Video quality is such shit, though, the officers all look the same.

You are right, it is quite an exaggeration. I really don't see it. Sorry. Any non cop eye witnesses back up your side of the story that you can link to?

I said "slight", not "quite".

I see it. You never put your hand over your mouth and try to breathe deeply to stay calm during high stress moments and situations? Where you feel like your every breath is shaking and your hands can't keep steady, and you're just a few moments from breaking down and crying? That, from the awful video quality, is what it looks like. It looks like Mehresnle is in utter shock and horror, and it actually looks like he was beginning to cry.

And no, I don't have the willpower to dig through articles mentioning it, because I assumed that video evidence would be enough.

Oscar Grant was a citizen on christmas eve when he was stopped by a BART cop, The BART cop told Oscar Grant to sit down on the floor for suspected (I think it was drug realted) when the cop turned his back to Oscar to talk to another cop, Oscar had gotton up and was sprinting towards the cop, the BART cop panicked and menat to take out his teaser, when really he took out his gun, he shot Oscar Grant and ended up killing him. Well anyway after serving a 1 and a half year in jail for his actions The BART cop was released today and naturally there is a 'peaceful' protest. While I am not saying that it is right for the BART cop to shoot someone 1) he was panicking because some guy he suspected of being on drugs was sprinting towards him, how was he supposed to know that he was really sprinting towards the exit behind him 2)he meant to grab his teaser which he had just borrowed from a fellow BART cop because the city did not give enough teasers to the cops, so it was around 3 cops sharing a teaser. Another thing, why would Grant run if he was not guilty. When his sentence of 1 year was carried out there was supposed to be a 'peaceful' prtoest that night, it turned into a full scale riot and the riot police were called in. The most damning thing of all when asked by news groups what she thought of the sentence Oscar's mother said "You just watch it going to be going down tonight, you just wait and see" and walah, riot. The BART cop was released today after a year and a half in incarceration, and there was a protest today, in which protesters are demanding the disarment of cops and saying that the shooting was a violation of Civil Rights, I think that this is taking it too far, taking the evidence it is understandable why he shoot the man no matter how unjust, now he is having people calling him a racist, wanting a civil rights charge against him, I think cops have a hard enough as it is, what do you think NSGers? should civil rights be charged? should he be incarerated longer? do you think that a racist charge is justified just because the cop was white and Oscar was black?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BART_Police_shooting_of_Oscar_Grant
http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2011/06/12/oscar-grant-supporters-gather-at-oakland-fruitvale-bart-station-to-protest-mehserle-release/
http://kron4.net/

Nice job making up bullshit. He was on the ground when he pulled out his fucking "taser" for no reason at all but to commit murder.

Grant was resisting arrest. That is enough to warrant a taser. The shock on Mehsenrles' face and his intentions to tase Mr. Grant are enough to warrant a manslaughter charge.

Do you want him shot or hung on live television, or something?

[Rokartian States]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFNDK8PQ ... re=related

near the end you can see him walking with his hand over his mouth May be a slight exaggeration, but he certainly looks quite shocked.

Video quality is such shit, though, the officers all look the same.

You are right, it is quite an exaggeration. I really don't see it. Sorry. Any non cop eye witnesses back up your side of the story that you can link to?

"Virtually all witnesses who saw the event or looked to the location where Mehserle was standing after they heard the gunshot described Mehserle as being in shock and many saw him putting his hands to his head."

http://cdn.sfgate.com/chronicle/acrobat ... r_bail.pdf

[JuNii]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Tmh9B8LVxM

please point out where Self-Defense can be argued.

gg reading comprehension

This post would be relevant if I'd say "His actions were in self defence, which you say does not exist", however i did not. i merely pointed out natapoc's faulty logic implies that the act of self-defence in general does not exist

True, and I do apologize.

[Ryadn]

Here's hoping the BART officer spends the rest of his days behind a grill at McDonald instead of becoming a cop again.

it was an accident, and the man who was shot was sprinting towards the cop, when the cop had reasons to believe he was under the influence of drugs, what would you have done?

I'm sure this has already been mentioned a million times, but your recounting of events goes contrary to video evidence.

[Ryadn]

Indeed. And if there's anything Wikipedia taught us, it's that everything followed by numbers between brackets is the truth.

especially since anyone can edit it, I gave the link so we had comparitive sources

There are multiple videos of this event. Obviously you didn't hear about it when it actually happened.

[Wiztopia]

Grant was resisting arrest. That is enough to warrant a taser. The shock on Mehsenrles' face and his intentions to tase Mr. Grant are enough to warrant a manslaughter charge.

Do you want him shot or hung on live television, or something?

No he was on the ground and Mehserle pulled out his "taser" for no reason. The shock was bullshit to throw them off because of what he knew he was doing. It was plain murder and every single one of those jury members who convicted him for manslaughter deserve to die along with Mehserle.

[Ryadn]

From everything I've heard so far (I live about half an hour from Oakland), the protests have continued to be peaceful, for which I am glad. This was a shameful and sickening event, and the people of Oakland are not and should not be the only ones upset and outraged by it. There's nothing more than can be done legally, but Grant's death remains a reminder of how far we still have to go in this country.

[Natapoc]

Grant was resisting arrest. That is enough to warrant a taser. The shock on Mehsenrles' face and his intentions to tase Mr. Grant are enough to warrant a manslaughter charge.

Do you want him shot or hung on live television, or something?

No he was on the ground and Mehserle pulled out his "taser" for no reason. The shock was bullshit to throw them off because of what he knew he was doing. It was plain murder and every single one of those jury members who convicted him for manslaughter deserve to die along with Mehserle.

I'm not so sure I'd go so far as to say that the jury should be killed. After all, it's easy to convince jury members of things by selective use of evidence. The person who was murdered of course had no means of defending himself from the allegations Mehserle's legal team was making.

[Vernii]

Quick reminder: Tasers and firearms are carried on opposite sides of the belt, have different weights, and the taser is clearly marked as such. It would be pretty damn hard to mistake the two. Furthermore, if the officer was indeed simply mistaking him, that shows he is incompetent and shouldn't be allowed back on the force. In addition, it undermines community relations to allow him back anyway.

Not to mention, that a simple year in prison for manslaughter for ending the existence of another human being through either incompetence or on purpose is a complete joke when one considers the privileges and authority that come with his position. With privilege comes responsibility, and if someone doesn't want to bear the consequences of incompetence or poor decision making, they shouldn't become a police officer. Far too often nowadays, cops get off with lighter consequences for decisions that would ruin the lives of any civilian who made the same mistake. They have their uniform, their departments, and the justice system to shield them from their mistakes, and that simply cannot be allowed to continue. It is for this reason I have developed a contempt for law enforcement.

[Gravlen]

?. Murder of a restrained unarmed black man if you are a cop:
Less then 1 year in prison.

He was sentenced to two years for involuntary manslaughter.

[Natapoc]

?. Murder of a restrained unarmed black man if you are a cop:
Less then 1 year in prison.

He was sentenced to two years for involuntary manslaughter.

Involuntary huh? Yeah that gun just fired itself! I promise! It's like the gun (er I mean taser!) was possessed or something!

And time served was about 11 months... for ending the life of another human being.

[Rokartian States]

He was sentenced to two years for involuntary manslaughter.

Involuntary huh? Yeah that gun just fired itself! I promise! It's like the gun (er I mean taser!) was possessed or something!

...Okay, you're joking, right? You do know that involuntary manslaughter has to do with malice, right?

[Gravlen]

After all, it's easy to convince jury members of things by selective use of evidence.

Source to back up the implied assertion that it was an unfair trial, and that the prosecution knowingly didn't do their job?

The person who was murdered

No conviction for murder exists.

of course had no means of defending himself from the allegations Mehserle's legal team was making.

Source to back up the assertion that the prosecution knowingly didn't do their job?