An idea

[Trez-Nem]

I just woke up with this idea. Say what do you think.

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My system doesn't rely on economical growth but on the welfare of individuals.

Wage system:

- The same rules apply into every person in the company.
- Every person in one company has the same hourly wage.
- Special extra payments: If a person has a very hard or long workday/week he/she gets an extra payments.
- If the lenght of the workday is unclear, estimated avarage working hours is used for the calculation of the wages.

Companies:

- All the stages of production of a product are owned by the same company. For example if the price of the wheat is lowering, the whole production chain is affected, not just the farmer.
- As small as possible to reduce the size of the administrative organs.
- In the food production, the production is not consentrated to a single large factory, but in every area of the country (like city) there is its own companies wich supply the citizens with freshh products. If some inhabited area is not suitable for food production (of any type or of some sort) this principle can be dropped off.
- For exmple the farmers can ceep their own lands if they join a company, but the farming is done collectively by all the farmers in the company.
- In other matters the companies work like they do now.

Emphasizing the domestic production:

- The production country of the pruduct and its ingredints have to be clearly visible to the consumer.
- In shops they sell the products of the local companies

Employees:

- If an employee is dismissed, the employer is obligated to help the employee to find a new job. The former employee can be for example guided to government maintained job programme.
- Temporary employees should be avoided, if possible.

Enviroment protection:

- Enviromentally friendly production methods are supported by government. If company is using anviromentally harmful production methods when more enviromentally friendly method is possible is fined to remove the financial advantages it gives.

[Barringtonia]

The problem is that this encourages breaking the rules to gain a competitive advantage, which results in corruption of officials to turn a blind eye. Given the totalitarian type of government required to (initially with good intentions) put this system in place then you've basically created a system of repression and corruption.

Sound familiar?

[Trez-Nem]

The problem is that this encourages breaking the rules to gain a competitive advantage, which results in corruption of officials to turn a blind eye. Given the totalitarian type of government required to (initially with good intentions) put this system in place then you've basically created a system of repression and corruption.

Sound familiar?

What part encourages the braking of rules?

[Trez-Nem]

In other areas the companies work like they do now.

[Vortiaganica]

- Every person in one company has the same hourly wage.

So absolutely destroy the reason people specialize.

Sure, I'll still do that expensive 4-year Uni course and continue on with the full 12 years to be an anesthesiologist, to be paid as much as the janitor who flunked high school and spends his spare money on illegal purified tobacco.

[Angleter]

Paying everyone the same hourly rate is disingenuous ignorance of the different values of different employees to a company. For company structure you've basically described a vertical cartel, which isn't all that good an idea either given the removal of competition. And economic growth is very closely linked to welfare of individuals.

[Aeronos]

The problem is that this encourages breaking the rules to gain a competitive advantage, which results in corruption of officials to turn a blind eye. Given the totalitarian type of government required to (initially with good intentions) put this system in place then you've basically created a system of repression and corruption.

Sound familiar?

Ohay Broseph Stalin

Yeah, not to mention the entire system is built to stagnate. Economics is like sex; the free-market is a slut, and central planning is incest. The free-market has sex with anyone who looks/feels good, and thus jumbles the gene pool, causing selective pressure to favour the best genes, whereas central planning only has sex with those very close to it, passing the same genes between them, and thus any bad genes propagate easier.

Wait, did I just make an economics-sex analogy?! I believe I did o.o

(Essentially, the free-market generally selects the most efficient methods, and kicks out what fails, producing a consistently more efficient system. On the flipside, central planning keeps the inefficiencies inherant, requiring bureaucrats to manage an increasingly larger economy, trying to balance production and efficiency, causing economic stagnation, and the eventual collapse of the state-driven regimes around the world)

[Trez-Nem]

-- And economic growth is very closely linked to welfare of individuals.

Yes, in the society of today.

[Trez-Nem]

The system is not government controlled, but optional and government suupported

[Trez-Nem]

- Every person in one company has the same hourly wage.

So absolutely destroy the reason people specialize.

Sure, I'll still do that expensive 4-year Uni course and continue on with the full 12 years to be an anesthesiologist, to be paid as much as the janitor who flunked high school and spends his spare money on illegal purified tobacco.

The only reason why people specialize is not because they get more money, but also because they get a better job or a job they like.

[The Blaatschapen]

The system is not government controlled, but optional and government suupported

If it's optional, why would a company implement this, given the disadvantages (like the equal wage thing, regardless of the value of the employee)?

[Trez-Nem]

The system is not government controlled, but optional and government suupported

If it's optional, why would a company implement this, given the disadvantages (like the equal wage thing, regardless of the value of the employee)?

The company does not implement it, but the company is created on this idea by workers.

[Meowfoundland]

So absolutely destroy the reason people specialize.

Sure, I'll still do that expensive 4-year Uni course and continue on with the full 12 years to be an anesthesiologist, to be paid as much as the janitor who flunked high school and spends his spare money on illegal purified tobacco.

The only reason why people specialize is not because they get more money, but also because they get a better job or a job they like.

And why would they specialise if they have to work hard at it for the same salary as a maid? There's just no incentive.

[The Blaatschapen]

If it's optional, why would a company implement this, given the disadvantages (like the equal wage thing, regardless of the value of the employee)?

The company does not implement it, but the company is created on this idea by workers.

So, if I understand correctly there will be a company like this and also normal companies? How would this special company keep its employees that have a higher economic value (for example, the ones that went to uni to specialize in a certain area) while still giving them a wage equal to the employees with a lower economic value?

[Trez-Nem]

The company does not implement it, but the company is created on this idea by workers.

So, if I understand correctly there will be a company like this and also normal companies? How would this special company keep its employees that have a higher economic value (for example, the ones that went to uni to specialize in a certain area) while still giving them a wage equal to the employees with a lower economic value?

Thats a problem that needs solving.

[Trez-Nem]

Not every kind of business would work this way

[Kalaspia-Shimarata]

Some parts are good, some are bad, very bad!

[New Mongolian Hordes]

This economic system woud dramaticly decrease the country's valuta.

Basicly this is a state capitalism with mixes of Marxist economies. Oh god...

[Trez-Nem]

Some parts are good, some are bad, very bad!

What did you not like?

[Zonolia]

The problem is that this encourages breaking the rules to gain a competitive advantage, which results in corruption of officials to turn a blind eye. Given the totalitarian type of government required to (initially with good intentions) put this system in place then you've basically created a system of repression and corruption.

Sound familiar?

Ohay Broseph Stalin

Yeah, not to mention the entire system is built to stagnate. Economics is like sex; the free-market is a slut, and central planning is incest. The free-market has sex with anyone who looks/feels good, and thus jumbles the gene pool, causing selective pressure to favour the best genes, whereas central planning only has sex with those very close to it, passing the same genes between them, and thus any bad genes propagate easier.

Wait, did I just make an economics-sex analogy?! I believe I did o.o

(Essentially, the free-market generally selects the most efficient methods, and kicks out what fails, producing a consistently more efficient system. On the flipside, central planning keeps the inefficiencies inherant, requiring bureaucrats to manage an increasingly larger economy, trying to balance production and efficiency, causing economic stagnation, and the eventual collapse of the state-driven regimes around the world)

So America's economy is a slut and China's like to get it on with other Asian countires?

[Trez-Nem]

The problem is that this encourages breaking the rules to gain a competitive advantage, which results in corruption of officials to turn a blind eye. Given the totalitarian type of government required to (initially with good intentions) put this system in place then you've basically created a system of repression and corruption.

Sound familiar?

Ohay Broseph Stalin

Yeah, not to mention the entire system is built to stagnate. Economics is like sex; the free-market is a slut, and central planning is incest. The free-market has sex with anyone who looks/feels good, and thus jumbles the gene pool, causing selective pressure to favour the best genes, whereas central planning only has sex with those very close to it, passing the same genes between them, and thus any bad genes propagate easier.

Wait, did I just make an economics-sex analogy?! I believe I did o.o

(Essentially, the free-market generally selects the most efficient methods, and kicks out what fails, producing a consistently more efficient system. On the flipside, central planning keeps the inefficiencies inherant, requiring bureaucrats to manage an increasingly larger economy, trying to balance production and efficiency, causing economic stagnation, and the eventual collapse of the state-driven regimes around the world)

Thats just comparing something good to things you like to make them look good and comparing something bad to things you don't like to make them look bad

[Trez-Nem]

And its not about "production and efficiency", but about gettting jobs to people. The money companies get is not used to get more production capacity and more money, but to get more jobs and increasing the quality fo the product.

[Arilando]

I hate collective punishment, which seems to be what your idea essentially is.

[Trez-Nem]

I hate collective punishment, which seems to be what your idea essentially is.

[Arilando]

I hate collective punishment, which seems to be what your idea essentially is.

- All the stages of production of a product are owned by the same company. For example if the price of the wheat is lowering, the whole production chain is affected, not just the farmer.