Man, 70, Stoned to Death for Being Gay: Police

[The Halbetan Union]

Not to change the "theist vs atheist" subject, but: The old guy was not "stoned to death", by definition. That is just the news media trying to hype the story up. AND he was not killed for "being gay", he was killed for (evidently) persistant sexual advances toward someone who was beyond disgusted by them. A comparable (non-gay) situation would be if a 13 year old girl killed her live-in uncle who wouldn't leave her alone.

So I read the article, and it did nothing to alleviate the insanity of his actions. You don't beat people to death with a sock full of rocks cause they hit on you.

[Zorandoia]

In before huge tide of angsty atheists blaming religion.

I admit that people sometimes overgeneralize when blaming religion, in this case the suspect apparently blamed a very specific religious idea--most likely Leviticus 18:22-- to justify his actions.

I think that's sufficient to blame religion in this case, sense he has.

On the other hand, people have tried to blame video games for their crimes before, and that sort of thing makes my blood boil, so there may be a contradiction there.

[Wilgrove]

I really don't remember the bible saying "beat gays with a sock full of rocks"...

'If a man has sex with a man in same way as with a woman, they have committed an abomination. They are certainly to be put to death.'

[Wilgrove]

Yet another idiot whom makes it appear that all of us theists are stupid, ignorant, or non-accepting.

^^^^^This^^^^^

I guess he missed the whole thing called the New Testament huh?

17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven."

[Arkinesia]

This is the crap you get with religion

No this is the crap you get with lunatics.

If there wasn't religion he would have said the gubbermint told him, and if not that the grass blades would have. Or a chipmunk outside his window.

[Wilgrove]

Actually, God and Jesus are the same person... and actually, a quick study of both Testaments in the Bible reveals a consistent pattern of mercy and punishment.

Actually, Jesus repeatedly referred to the father being greater than him, being sent by his father, etc. He also once prayed to his father and his father sent him an angel to strengthen him for his trials.

Thus, if Jesus IS God, that would make God a schizophrenic with the ability to be in two places at once.

Which is really scary shit, btw. Imagine if you met a schizophrenic that could actually be in two places at once.

Read the Old Testament again and tell me that Yahweh isn't straight up insane.

[OMGeverynameistaken]

I really don't remember the bible saying "beat gays with a sock full of rocks"...

'If a man has sex with a man in same way as with a woman, they have committed an abomination. They are certainly to be put to death.'

Leviticus is full of lulz. For example:

Ye shall keep my statutes. Thou shalt not let thy cattle gender with a diverse kind: thou shalt not sow thy field with mingled seed: neither shall a garment mingled of linen and woollen come upon thee.

Ye shall not round the corners of your heads, neither shalt thou mar the corners of thy beard.

And if a man shall lie with a woman having her sickness, and shall uncover her nakedness; he hath discovered her fountain, and she hath uncovered the fountain of her blood: and both of them shall be cut off from among their people.

Speak unto Aaron, saying, Whosoever he be of thy seed in their generations that hath any blemish, let him not approach to offer the bread of his God.
For whatsoever man he be that hath a blemish, he shall not approach: a blind man, or a lame, or he that hath a flat nose, or any thing superfluous,

So basically, Leviticus hated a lot of things, like mixing cows, seeds or cloth. And shaving or trimming your beard. And having sex with women during their period. And also people with flat noses.

I am personally of the opinion that whoever wrote Leviticus was stoned off his head the whole time. That or the ancient equivalent of Limbaugh.

[Wilgrove]

Actually, in the Bible it's something like this:
God > Jesus & God = Jesus.

It's puzzling to me too, and I grew up and still go to church regularly.

Of course, if one were to apply a modicum of logic to scripture, one would realize that when Jesus is referred to as the "image of the invisible God", "the Word of God", etc, one could say that Jesus was so LIKE God, that it was like seeing God.

In a similar way as if you saw my Nephew, which, oddly, looks almost exactly like me at his age. In a few years, he might wind up looking just like me. One could then say that if you had seen him, you would have "seen" me "also".

It's quite clear, to me, from an analytical look at Scripture, that it refers to Jesus as a powerful being, much like God, but subordinate to God.

When I was Catholic, I was taught that Jesus was Yahweh in the flesh. Which gets kinda tricky when you get to the whole crucifixion thing. He sacrifice himself, to himself, to fix a problem that he created? If that isn't the definition of convoluted, I don't know what is.

[MorrighanaWarGoddess]

I have my doubts that the guy killed the 70 year because of religious reasons. It said that the murder was the sole executor of the 70 year old guy's will. That is perfect motive, he got impatient waiting for the old man to die and killed him then got caught and is playing the religion card in hopes of some kind of leniency for insanity or temporary insanity.

[Fartsniffage]

I have my doubts that the guy killed the 70 year because of religious reasons. It said that the murder was the sole executor of the 70 year old guy's will. That is perfect motive, he got impatient waiting for the old man to die and killed him then got caught and is playing the religion card in hopes of some kind of leniency for insanity or temporary insanity.

what does executor mean in the US?

[Wilgrove]

If you read the article more it seems like he is just trying to use the bible and the vision thing to get out of a murder charge on insanity grounds.

He killed that poor old man for one reason and one reason only: He wanted the money that was willed to him NOW! This has nothing to do with fundamentalism and everything to do with greed.

I hate money. It brings out the worst in people.

Am I the only one who's getting a gold digger vibe from the young man? Maybe they were lovers, but the young guy was only interested in getting his hand on the dude's money, so he did the gay thing for awhile, but apparently he lost his patience.

[Natapoc]

If you read the article more it seems like he is just trying to use the bible and the vision thing to get out of a murder charge on insanity grounds.

He killed that poor old man for one reason and one reason only: He wanted the money that was willed to him NOW! This has nothing to do with fundamentalism and everything to do with greed.

I hate money. It brings out the worst in people.

Am I the only one who's getting a gold digger vibe from the young man? Maybe they were lovers, but the young guy was only interested in getting his hand on the dude's money, so he did the gay thing for awhile, but apparently he lost his patience.

That's clearly what was going on.

[Galla-]

Of course, if one were to apply a modicum of logic to scripture, one would realize that when Jesus is referred to as the "image of the invisible God", "the Word of God", etc, one could say that Jesus was so LIKE God, that it was like seeing God.

In a similar way as if you saw my Nephew, which, oddly, looks almost exactly like me at his age. In a few years, he might wind up looking just like me. One could then say that if you had seen him, you would have "seen" me "also".

It's quite clear, to me, from an analytical look at Scripture, that it refers to Jesus as a powerful being, much like God, but subordinate to God.

When I was Catholic, I was taught that Jesus was Yahweh in the flesh. Which gets kinda tricky when you get to the whole crucifixion thing. He sacrifice himself, to himself, to fix a problem that he created? If that isn't the definition of convoluted, I don't know what is.

Maybe they meant him in a symbolic sense? Like his instrument or will in the flesh, the person who will carry out his tasks?

I'm not familiar on Catholic teaching, though, as I was raised Baptist. \:

[Wilgrove]

Christians are a bunch backward people trying to destroy Western culture! Religion of violence, religion of violence! Ban nuns from covering their heads! Ban long skirts!

Ban clothings all together! LET IT ALL HANG OUT BROTHERS AND SISTERS! *strips off all his clothes and runs around naked* BE FREE, BE FREE MY PRIVATES!

[Serrland]

Of course, if one were to apply a modicum of logic to scripture, one would realize that when Jesus is referred to as the "image of the invisible God", "the Word of God", etc, one could say that Jesus was so LIKE God, that it was like seeing God.

In a similar way as if you saw my Nephew, which, oddly, looks almost exactly like me at his age. In a few years, he might wind up looking just like me. One could then say that if you had seen him, you would have "seen" me "also".

It's quite clear, to me, from an analytical look at Scripture, that it refers to Jesus as a powerful being, much like God, but subordinate to God.

When I was Catholic, I was taught that Jesus was Yahweh in the flesh. Which gets kinda tricky when you get to the whole crucifixion thing. He sacrifice himself, to himself, to fix a problem that he created? If that isn't the definition of convoluted, I don't know what is.

Hang on, let me whip out my chart again...

[Wilgrove]

I thought so too, but when I heard it was in America, I was shocked. I think that person should get stoned for killing an elderly man. if he murdered the old man using the Old Testament way, then the murderer should be killed using the Old Testament way. I usually go for rehabilitation when it comes to criminals but in this case, no, just plain no. Just shows you how barbaric America as become. First, gay people get thrown in Conservititve Concentration Camps and now, an old man was stoned to death. . . In America!

I don't mind but in fairness it should really be done by a mob of vigilantes, not the state, the same way stoning was done in the bible.

Let the guy out during a gay pride march, tie him to a post and promise no prosecution for anything done to him within a 60 hour period.

Most gay people are far to nice to throw a rock at even someone who wants to kill them.

but I suspect you could find one or two who would agree to compose a mob of stone throwers

Would barb wire covered in salt be acceptable?

[Wilgrove]

When I was Catholic, I was taught that Jesus was Yahweh in the flesh. Which gets kinda tricky when you get to the whole crucifixion thing. He sacrifice himself, to himself, to fix a problem that he created? If that isn't the definition of convoluted, I don't know what is.

Hang on, let me whip out my chart again...

.....I don't speak or read Latin?

[Serrland]

Hang on, let me whip out my chart again...

.....I don't speak or read Latin?

I picked that one because none of the English ones look that badass.

[Wilgrove]

I am not a Christian, nor am I Jewish - I am sorry, but it still makes me sick. I do not care what some "God" says, the actions of other humans make me sick.

Gd loves everyone including gays buit they'll face his jugdement in the afterlife

Yahweh loves you, but he's still going to burn your ass.....

Makes perfect sense.

[The Black Forrest]

I have my doubts that the guy killed the 70 year because of religious reasons. It said that the murder was the sole executor of the 70 year old guy's will. That is perfect motive, he got impatient waiting for the old man to die and killed him then got caught and is playing the religion card in hopes of some kind of leniency for insanity or temporary insanity.

what does executor mean in the US?

A person with legal authority (named in the will) to carry out the provisions of the will.

[The Black Forrest]

I have my doubts that the guy killed the 70 year because of religious reasons. It said that the murder was the sole executor of the 70 year old guy's will. That is perfect motive, he got impatient waiting for the old man to die and killed him then got caught and is playing the religion card in hopes of some kind of leniency for insanity or temporary insanity.

I am not so sure. Beating a man to death with a sock full of rocks is not a normal method to eliminate somebody. They tend to try and hide or destroy the murder weapon as well. This was an angry attack.....

[Lackadaisical2]

This is the crap you get with religion

Not all religions are garbage, it's the interpretations that are.

And wow... "God told me to" is such bull$#it. God says "do unto others" not "kill the fabulous"...
That's a pathetic excuse pulled from his @$$.

He got through the OT and just hadn't gotten to the good parts yet...

[Coffee Cakes]

Not all religions are garbage, it's the interpretations that are.

And wow... "God told me to" is such bull$#it. God says "do unto others" not "kill the fabulous"...
That's a pathetic excuse pulled from his @$$.

He got through the OT and just hadn't gotten to the good parts yet...

Maybe...

[Buffett and Colbert]

Sounds like a gold digga to me.