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Postby Blazedtown » Thu Jun 09, 2011 2:08 pm

http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/06/09/alabama.immigration/

CNN) -- Alabama's governor has signed what he billed as tough illegal immigration legislation, requiring police to check the status of anyone they suspect may be in the country illegally when stopped for another reason.

The bill, due to come into effect on September 1, was signed into law by Republican Gov. Robert Bentley on Thursday.

Its passage makes Alabama the latest in a series of states, including Georgia and Arizona, to weigh controversial new laws aimed at tackling illegal immigration.

Civil rights groups and the Mexican government have been quick to condemn the move.

According to a factsheet presented by Alabama House Republicans, the bill will require law enforcement officers "to attempt to determine the immigration status of a person who they suspect is an unauthorized alien of this country".

The legislation also makes it a criminal offense to provide transport or housing to an illegal immigrant. The state will have to check the citizenship of students and any business that knowingly employs an illegal immigrant will also be penalized.

A spokesman for Bentley told CNN that the governor had signed "a tough illegal immigration law".

The Southern Poverty Law Center, a civil rights group, criticized the move, saying Alabama had fallen "into a costly trap" by passing what it described as an "unconstitutional law."

The legislation, sponsored by Republican Rep. Micky Hammon, could cost state taxpayers millions of dollars to enforce and defend through the courts, the SPLC said in a statement.

It also warned the state stood to lose "millions more in lost tax revenue from Alabama businesses that will bear the brunt of boycotts of Alabama goods and services and lost sales to documented and undocumented immigrants who flee the state rather than deal with racial profiling and the state's anti-immigrant climate."

The Mexican government warned that the law could affect the human and civil rights of Mexicans living in or visiting the state.

Several immigrant and civil rights organizations filed a class-action lawsuit last week against a new Georgia law aimed at cracking down on illegal immigration.

That law allows police to ask about immigration status when questioning suspects in certain criminal investigations.

Meanwhile, Arizona's governor said last month she would appeal to the U.S. Supreme Court after portions of the state's new immigration law were blocked by federal courts.

The Arizona bill catapulted the issue onto the national stage last year, drawing a lawsuit from the U.S. Department of Justice, which argues that the law is unconstitutional.

Lawmakers in at least 20 states weighed similar proposals during the past year, according to the National Immigration Forum.


Thank god for Alabama. They are following Arizona's lead and taking a stand against the waves of immigrants that are invading this country. Since I was 10 I spent every sumer picking rock and walking beans for local farmers. This is the first summer in 8 years that I haven't been able to do this. Last winter the local trailer park got pretty much taken over by illegals, now I can't get a job. I've tried working other jobs in the winter, but I go nuts flipping burgers or waiting tables or working a cash register. The local job market is shit because the Mexicans that can get jobs outside the fields have taken those. How in the hell am I suppose to pay for college this fall? I didn't get in a dorm, so I have pay rent somewhere, and I can't afford to drive the 70 miles from my parents house everyday. They can't afford to help me with my rent, or get loans because they are retarded with their money and have a shitty credit rating. /end rant.
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Postby Call to power » Thu Jun 09, 2011 2:17 pm

much as I applaud the efforts to tackle the illegal hiring of workers (much as I know the state will be turning a blind eye being that America farmers need the slave labour) it seems totally shit that anyone who looks a bit Mexican will need to fuck about getting their immigration papers checked over.

I don't really see this law being heavily enforced so its bad from every angle and nothing more than a play for votes

Blazedtown wrote:The local job market is shit because the Mexicans that can get jobs outside the fields have taken those


dude how poor are you exactly?
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Postby Blazedtown » Thu Jun 09, 2011 2:19 pm

Call to power wrote:much as I applaud the efforts to tackle the illegal hiring of workers (much as I know the state will be turning a blind eye being that America farmers need the slave labour) it seems totally shit that anyone who looks a bit Mexican will need to fuck about getting their immigration papers checked over.

I don't really see this law being heavily enforced so its bad from every angle and nothing more than a play for votes

Blazedtown wrote:The local job market is shit because the Mexicans that can get jobs outside the fields have taken those


dude how poor are you exactly?


I should have been a little more specific. They've filled the ones that would be open to fresh high school grads that are moving in 3 months.
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Postby Ceannairceach » Thu Jun 09, 2011 2:35 pm

Something tells me that this will turn into a "Hey, does that guy kinda look Mexican to you? Lets card him!"

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Postby Ceannairceach » Thu Jun 09, 2011 2:37 pm

Blazedtown wrote:
Thank god for Alabama. They are following Arizona's lead and taking a stand against the waves of immigrants that are invading this country. Since I was 10 I spent every sumer picking rock and walking beans for local farmers. This is the first summer in 8 years that I haven't been able to do this. Last winter the local trailer park got pretty much taken over by illegals, now I can't get a job. I've tried working other jobs in the winter, but I go nuts flipping burgers or waiting tables or working a cash register. The local job market is shit because the Mexicans that can get jobs outside the fields have taken those. How in the hell am I suppose to pay for college this fall? I didn't get in a dorm, so I have pay rent somewhere, and I can't afford to drive the 70 miles from my parents house everyday. They can't afford to help me with my rent, or get loans because they are retarded with their money and have a shitty credit rating. /end rant.

I'm sorry, but do you have proof that these people are illegal immigrants, or are you basing that judgement solely on if they are Mexican or not?

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Postby Call to power » Thu Jun 09, 2011 2:43 pm

Ceannairceach wrote:Something tells me that this will turn into a "Hey, does that guy kinda look Mexican to you? Lets card him!"


seems more like an extension of the police discretion to fuck with you tbh rather than every officer suddenly becoming a member of the Klu-Klux-Klan. Do Southern police officers really need another ability to make your life more difficult?
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Postby Ceannairceach » Fri Jun 10, 2011 5:50 am

Call to power wrote:
Ceannairceach wrote:Something tells me that this will turn into a "Hey, does that guy kinda look Mexican to you? Lets card him!"


seems more like an extension of the police discretion to fuck with you tbh rather than every officer suddenly becoming a member of the Klu-Klux-Klan. Do Southern police officers really need another ability to make your life more difficult?

No, of course that's going to occur, but something has me thinking that the police will be less than indiscriminate with their searches. Something about the tone of the OP leads me to this.

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Postby Imperium Neo Roma » Fri Jun 10, 2011 5:57 am

Good, America for Americans, these Mexicanos can become an American, they can just do it legally, like everyone else did.
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Postby Ceannairceach » Fri Jun 10, 2011 6:01 am

Imperium Neo Roma wrote:Good, America for Americans, these Mexicanos can become an American, they can just do it legally, like everyone else did.

Surely, there is a better way to deal with illegal immigration, rather than invade their privacy.

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Postby Ifreann » Fri Jun 10, 2011 6:04 am

Cue brown Americans going to jail because they don't carry proof of legal residence with them at all times, and illegal white immigrants getting off with no check.

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Postby Imperium Neo Roma » Fri Jun 10, 2011 6:04 am

Ceannairceach wrote:
Imperium Neo Roma wrote:Good, America for Americans, these Mexicanos can become an American, they can just do it legally, like everyone else did.

Surely, there is a better way to deal with illegal immigration, rather than invade their privacy.

Invade their what now? Privacy? I don't think the privacy of a criminal matters. And doesn't America have a right to sit in privacy without Criminals burrowing underground or hopping over fences into their backyard?
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Postby Ceannairceach » Fri Jun 10, 2011 6:07 am

Imperium Neo Roma wrote:
Ceannairceach wrote:Surely, there is a better way to deal with illegal immigration, rather than invade their privacy.

Invade their what now? Privacy? I don't think the privacy of a criminal matters. And doesn't America have a right to sit in privacy without Criminals burrowing underground or hopping over fences into their backyard?

Generally, privacy of everyone, not just the illegal immigrants. From the OP, it seems that its going to be questioning Mexicans, not illegal immigrants.

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Postby Ifreann » Fri Jun 10, 2011 6:07 am

Imperium Neo Roma wrote:
Ceannairceach wrote:Surely, there is a better way to deal with illegal immigration, rather than invade their privacy.

Invade their what now? Privacy? I don't think the privacy of a criminal matters.

Being in America illegally isn't a crime, I believe.
And doesn't America have a right to sit in privacy without Criminals burrowing underground or hopping over fences into their backyard?

No, nations don't have rights. People have rights.

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Postby Eternal Yerushalayim » Fri Jun 10, 2011 6:07 am

The only problem I see is the latitude "suspect" would grant to the police.
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Postby Imperium Neo Roma » Fri Jun 10, 2011 6:10 am

Ceannairceach wrote:
Imperium Neo Roma wrote:Invade their what now? Privacy? I don't think the privacy of a criminal matters. And doesn't America have a right to sit in privacy without Criminals burrowing underground or hopping over fences into their backyard?

Generally, privacy of everyone, not just the illegal immigrants. From the OP, it seems that its going to be questioning Mexicans, not illegal immigrants.

Well, how can you be sure? How are you going to tell who is and isn't illegal in the large Hispanic population in the South?

You have to bust down some doors, demand some I.D, it's a problem that can't be solved with permissions or Kindness.
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Postby Living Freedom Land » Fri Jun 10, 2011 6:20 am

I think we should just make illegal immigration legal. That would make the whole question moot.
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Postby Ifreann » Fri Jun 10, 2011 6:24 am

Imperium Neo Roma wrote:
Ceannairceach wrote:Generally, privacy of everyone, not just the illegal immigrants. From the OP, it seems that its going to be questioning Mexicans, not illegal immigrants.

Well, how can you be sure? How are you going to tell who is and isn't illegal in the large Hispanic population in the South?

You have to bust down some doors, demand some I.D, it's a problem that can't be solved with permissions or Kindness.

If you can't solve your problems with violating people's rights then the problem is you.

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Postby Imperium Neo Roma » Fri Jun 10, 2011 6:26 am

Ifreann wrote:
Imperium Neo Roma wrote:Well, how can you be sure? How are you going to tell who is and isn't illegal in the large Hispanic population in the South?

You have to bust down some doors, demand some I.D, it's a problem that can't be solved with permissions or Kindness.

If you can't solve your problems with violating people's rights then the problem is you.

I don't see you giving out any bright ideas.
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Postby Ifreann » Fri Jun 10, 2011 6:30 am

Imperium Neo Roma wrote:
Ifreann wrote:If you can't solve your problems with violating people's rights then the problem is you.

I don't see you giving out any bright ideas.

Illegal immigration into America isn't my problem.

But since you asked so nicely, some things that come to mind are making it harder for employers to get away with hiring illegal immigrants, making it easier to immigrate legally, and making it easier for illegal immigrants in the country to become citizens.

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Postby Rambhutan » Fri Jun 10, 2011 6:31 am

"Blazedtown, that's kind of a Mexican sounding name now isn't it sonny?"
Are we there yet?

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Postby Imperium Neo Roma » Fri Jun 10, 2011 6:33 am

Ifreann wrote:
Imperium Neo Roma wrote:I don't see you giving out any bright ideas.

Illegal immigration into America isn't my problem.

But since you asked so nicely, some things that come to mind are making it harder for employers to get away with hiring illegal immigrants, making it easier to immigrate legally, and making it easier for illegal immigrants in the country to become citizens.

All great ideas to fix the mess, of course, it's harder then it sounds.

To be honest, though, with the unemployment in America, do you really think we need more immigrants?
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Postby Socialist States Owen » Fri Jun 10, 2011 6:34 am

Rambhutan wrote:"Blazedtown, that's kind of a Mexican sounding name now isn't it sonny?"


Sounds a bit communist, actually. The Mexican Commies have infiltrated our great state!

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Postby Unchecked Expansion » Fri Jun 10, 2011 6:34 am

Imperium Neo Roma wrote:All great ideas to fix the mess, of course, it's harder then it sounds.

So because doing it the right way is hard, you should do a half arsed job?

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Postby Imperium Neo Roma » Fri Jun 10, 2011 6:35 am

Unchecked Expansion wrote:
Imperium Neo Roma wrote:All great ideas to fix the mess, of course, it's harder then it sounds.

So because doing it the right way is hard, you should do a half arsed job?

Yes.
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Postby Ifreann » Fri Jun 10, 2011 6:37 am

Unchecked Expansion wrote:
Imperium Neo Roma wrote:All great ideas to fix the mess, of course, it's harder then it sounds.

So because doing it the right way is hard, you should do a half arsed job?

It's the American Way :p

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