Gun Control and the Second Amendment - Yay or Nay?

[Anarchic-Marxist]

When the 2nd Amendment was crated we only had muskets so we should only have shity bolt action guns.

[Capfrania]

When the 2nd Amendment was crated we only had muskets so we should only have shity bolt action guns.

So should free speech not apply to phones, TV, or the internet? They weren't invented yet when the 1st Amendment was written.

BTW, the musket thing isn't actually true, some Continentals had rifles.

[Tranquilizer Cyborgs]

I think the 2nd Amendment is BS. Just give me some weapons already!!!!!1

[Anarchic-Marxist]

When the 2nd Amendment was crated we only had muskets so we should only have shity bolt action guns.

So should free speech not apply to phones, TV, or the internet? They weren't invented yet when the 1st Amendment was written.

BTW, the musket thing isn't actually true, some Continentals had rifles.

True, ok I still think there should be no hand guns and rifles should be single shot bolt action guns.

[Georgetpwn]

When was the last time America needed a well regulated militia for anything?

Democratic mobs coming to take your guns away?

[German Capitalists]

Tearing apart the Constitution Amendment by Amendment! That's a great idea! Not... If you truly believe in this Country, you believe in the Constitution. The Second Amendment is a part of the Constitution. You figure it out... It's as simple as that.

[German Capitalists]

I think the 2nd Amendment is BS. Just give me some weapons already!!!!!1

That doesn't make any sense. The Second Ammendment is the right to bear arms. By saying it's BS, your saying we shouldn't have the right to bear arms but you want to bear arms...

[Anarchic-Marxist]

Tearing apart the Constitution Amendment by Amendment! That's a great idea! Not... If you truly believe in this Country, you believe in the Constitution. The Second Amendment is a part of the Constitution. You figure it out... It's as simple as that.

How many time has someone pulled a gun out on you??
Well it sucks we NEED gun regulation.

[Brogavia]

Tearing apart the Constitution Amendment by Amendment! That's a great idea! Not... If you truly believe in this Country, you believe in the Constitution. The Second Amendment is a part of the Constitution. You figure it out... It's as simple as that.

How many time has someone pulled a gun out on you??
Well it sucks we NEED gun regulation.

Gun control is racist. Its origins trace back to the KKK and Jim Crow laws of the post civil war South.

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4. PENAL LAWS OF MISSISSIPPI

Sec. 1. Be it enacted,...That no freedman, free negro or mulatto, not in the military service of the United States government, and not licensed so to do by the board of police of his or her county, shall keep or carry fire-arms of any kind, or any ammunition, dirk or bowie knife, and on conviction thereof in the county court shall be punished by fine, not exceeding ten dollars, and pay the costs of such proceedings, and all such arms or ammunition shall be forfeited to the informer; and it shall be the duty of every civil and military officer to arrest any freedman, free negro, or mulatto found with any such arms or ammunition, and cause him or her to be committed to trial in default of bail.

2....Any freedman, free negro, or mulatto committing riots, routs, affrays, trespasses, malicious mischief, cruel treatment to animals, seditious speeches, insulting gestures, language, or acts, or assaults on any person, disturbance of the peace, exercising the function of a minister of the Gospel without a license from some regularly organized church, vending spirituous or intoxicating liquors, or committing any other misdemeanor, the punishment of which is not specifically provided for by law, shall, upon conviction thereof in the county court, be fined not less than ten dollars, and not more than one hundred dollars, and may be imprisoned at the discretion of the court, not exceeding thirty days.

Sec. 3....If any white person shall sell, lend, or give to any freedman, free negro, or mulatto any fire-arms, dirk or bowie knife, or ammunition, or any spirituous or intoxicating liquors, such person or persons so offending, upon conviction thereof in the county court of his or her county, shall be fined not exceeding fifty dollars, and may be imprisoned, at the discretion of the court, not exceeding thirty days....

Sec. 5....If any freedman, free negro, or mulatto, convicted of any of the misdemeanors provided against in this act, shall fail or refuse for the space of five days, after conviction, to pay the fine and costs imposed, such person shall be hired out by the sheriff or other officer, at public outcry, to any white person who will pay said fine and all costs, and take said convict for the shortest time.

It was via gun control that blacks were kept from voting, from defending themselves against racial terrorism carried out by the KKK, until the 1920s and 30s.

I know its a godwin, but the same happened in 1930s Germany. Before the Nazis rose to power, they made everyone register their firearms, with the aim of stopping violence between the Nazis and Bolsheviks. However, do you really think that either of those two groups obeyed this new law? No, only law abiding citizens did. Meaning, that when the Nazis came to power, they were able to swiftly disarm both their political opponents, and future victims in one swift motion.

[Anarchic-Marxist]

Tearing apart the Constitution Amendment by Amendment! That's a great idea! Not... If you truly believe in this Country, you believe in the Constitution. The Second Amendment is a part of the Constitution. You figure it out... It's as simple as that.

How many time has someone pulled a gun out on you??
Well it sucks we NEED gun regulation.

Gun control is racist. Its origins trace back to the KKK and Jim Crow laws of the post civil war South.

http://wps.ablongman.com/long_longman_lahdemo_1/0,8259,1546454-,00.html

4. PENAL LAWS OF MISSISSIPPI

Sec. 1. Be it enacted,...That no freedman, free negro or mulatto, not in the military service of the United States government, and not licensed so to do by the board of police of his or her county, shall keep or carry fire-arms of any kind, or any ammunition, dirk or bowie knife, and on conviction thereof in the county court shall be punished by fine, not exceeding ten dollars, and pay the costs of such proceedings, and all such arms or ammunition shall be forfeited to the informer; and it shall be the duty of every civil and military officer to arrest any freedman, free negro, or mulatto found with any such arms or ammunition, and cause him or her to be committed to trial in default of bail.

2....Any freedman, free negro, or mulatto committing riots, routs, affrays, trespasses, malicious mischief, cruel treatment to animals, seditious speeches, insulting gestures, language, or acts, or assaults on any person, disturbance of the peace, exercising the function of a minister of the Gospel without a license from some regularly organized church, vending spirituous or intoxicating liquors, or committing any other misdemeanor, the punishment of which is not specifically provided for by law, shall, upon conviction thereof in the county court, be fined not less than ten dollars, and not more than one hundred dollars, and may be imprisoned at the discretion of the court, not exceeding thirty days.

Sec. 3....If any white person shall sell, lend, or give to any freedman, free negro, or mulatto any fire-arms, dirk or bowie knife, or ammunition, or any spirituous or intoxicating liquors, such person or persons so offending, upon conviction thereof in the county court of his or her county, shall be fined not exceeding fifty dollars, and may be imprisoned, at the discretion of the court, not exceeding thirty days....

Sec. 5....If any freedman, free negro, or mulatto, convicted of any of the misdemeanors provided against in this act, shall fail or refuse for the space of five days, after conviction, to pay the fine and costs imposed, such person shall be hired out by the sheriff or other officer, at public outcry, to any white person who will pay said fine and all costs, and take said convict for the shortest time.

It was via gun control that blacks were kept from voting, from defending themselves against racial terrorism carried out by the KKK, until the 1920s and 30s.

I know its a godwin, but the same happened in 1930s Germany. Before the Nazis rose to power, they made everyone register their firearms, with the aim of stopping violence between the Nazis and Bolsheviks. However, do you really think that either of those two groups obeyed this new law? No, only law abiding citizens did. Meaning, that when the Nazis came to power, they were able to swiftly disarm both their political opponents, and future victims in one swift motion.

so let me git this are you calling me a racist????

[Parthenon]

Tearing apart the Constitution Amendment by Amendment! That's a great idea! Not... If you truly believe in this Country, you believe in the Constitution. The Second Amendment is a part of the Constitution. You figure it out... It's as simple as that.

How many time has someone pulled a gun out on you??
Well it sucks we NEED gun regulation.

I have had a hand gun pulled on me, I also have a scar above my right knee from a stab wound retained back in highschool during an altercation. I will tell you this, I fear a perp with a knife far more than I do one with a gun. That being said, what makes you think that gun control is going to stop a CRIMINAL from ... BREAKING THE LAW?

[Frangland]

I'm sure none of this is new, but there's a reason dead horses get up and flee when I approach them with anything resembling a club:

1) Cops aren't going to get there fast enough to save you from a determined criminal who wants to maim/kill you or steal your stuff. What are you supposed to do, stay on the phone with the 911 operator while the perp chases you? If you have a gun you can shoot him and then get sued by his surviving family... because you shot their precious burglaring criminal.

2) Hunting

3) Target-shooting -- that is fun.

4) Collecting

5) Defense against a tyrannical government or foreign invader -- good luck dealing with 50,000,000 American gun-owners, Napoleon...

Those are five reasons. But we don't really need to justify the right as it is a right, per se.

[Anarchic-Marxist]

[quote="Anarchic-Marxist]How many time has someone pulled a gun out on you??
Well it sucks we NEED gun regulation.[/quote]
I have had a hand gun pulled on me, I also have a scar above my right knee from a stab wound retained back in highschool during an altercation. I will tell you this, I fear a perp with a knife far more than I do one with a gun. That being said, what makes you think that gun control is going to stop a CRIMINAL from ... BREAKING THE LAW?[/quote][/quote]

First off I'm sorry that you got stabbed.
It wont but its going to slowly stop it.

[Anarchic-Marxist]

I'm sure none of this is new, but there's a reason dead horses get up and flee when I approach them with anything resembling a club:

1) Cops aren't going to get there fast enough to save you from a determined criminal who wants to maim/kill you or steal your stuff. What are you supposed to do, stay on the phone with the 911 operator while the perp chases you? If you have a gun you can shoot him and then get sued by his surviving family... because you shot their precious burglaring criminal.

2) Hunting

3) Target-shooting -- that is fun.

4) Collecting

5) Defense against a tyrannical government or foreign invader -- good luck dealing with 50,000,000 American gun-owners, Napoleon...

Those are five reasons. But we don't really need to justify the right as it is a right, per se.

1)You could keep a bolt action loaded

2)bolt action

3)I live in Texas and yes it is fun as hell.....bolt action

4)Keep that bolt action loaded.

[Parthenon]

A bolt action rifle can't be concealed in the purse of a woman that fears her abusive ex-boyfriend as she makes the late night trip from the office to the dimly lit parking garage a block over.

A bolt action rifle can't effectively eliminate the threat of three armed robbers breaking into one's house when the kids are sleeping in the room across the hall.

A bolt action rifle can't effectively be utilized in a small space in similiar fashion to how a long cue stick can't hit make a shot when the billiards table is too close the wall.

A bolt action rifle gives a perpetrator time to mount an offensive between a missed shot and a finished reload.

[Anarchic-Marxist]

A bolt action rifle can't be concealed in the purse of a woman that fears her abusive ex-boyfriend as she makes the trip that late night trip from the office to the dimly lit parking garage a block over.

A bolt action rifle can't effectively eliminate the threat of three armed robbers breaking into one's house when the kids are sleeping in the room across the hall.

A bolt action rifle can't effectively be utilized in a small space in similiar fashion to how a long que stick can't hit make a shot when the billiards table is too close the wall.

A bolt action rifle gives a perpetrator time to mount an offensive between a missed shot and a finished reload.

Well theres pepper spray,knifes,tasers and martial arts.

learn to load fast.

maybe try not to shoot people for a change.

[E Bombistan]

The amount of misconceptions and narcissism that gets spewed out. Yes Europe in their enlightened ideology has banned the vast majority of people to own firearms. In point they do have less gun related crime - but they still have it. Does this make them better? No - it has shown their weakness and lack of spine in standing up for their rights. They have become cattle and sheep - the mark of socialism, agreeing with whatever the majority or the government says is good.

So what about America? They are becoming the same as Europe in their socialist enlightened ideology. We can talk to them and convince them how they are wrong, and when they threaten us, we will agree with them and pay them not to attack us.

The government, minority groups, special interest groups, etc are the speakers and dictators of the public at large. Because people don't want to get involved.

Everyone loves to rag on the USA for being this or that. But they come to the USA for a better life, aid in disasters, bail them out, protect them, alliances, etc. When was the last armed attack on US soil? 9-11 was not an armed attack. 1942 was. Prior to that - Independence. An armed attack will not only be met with by the military, but by its armed citizens as well.

Some liberal pencil necked geek will probably say I'm all wrong.

What about vehicular manslaughter, drunk drivers, illegal drugs, illegal aliens, gangs, knives, garden tools, kitchen knives, all the unsafe items that can and have been used to kill people - it's not just about guns. It's about rights.

It dont metter. I said my piece. Yes, grammar and typo on purpose.

[Anarchic-Marxist]

Te amount of misconceptions and narcissism that gets spewed out. Yes Europe in their enlightened ideology has banned the vast majority of people to own firearms. In point they do have less gun related crime - but they still have it. Does this make them better? No - it has shown their weakness and lack of spine in standing up for their rights. They have become cattle and sheep - the mark of socialism, agreeing with whatever the majority or the government says is good.

So what about America? They are becoming the same as Europe in their socialist enlightened ideology. We can talk to them and convince them how they are wrong, and when they threaten us, we will agree with them and pay them not to attack us.

The government, minority groups, special interest groups, etc are the speakers and dictators of the public at large. Because people don't want to get involved.

Everyone loves to rag on the USA for being this or that. But they come to the USA for a better life, aid in disasters, bail them out, protect them, alliances, etc. When was the last armed attack on US soil? 9-11 was not an armed attack. 1942 was. Prior to that - Independence. An armed attack will not only be met with by the military, but by its armed citizens as well.

Some liberal pencil necked geek will probably say I'm all wrong.

What about vehicular manslaughter, drunk drivers, illegal drugs, illegal aliens, gangs, knives, garden tools, kitchen knives, all the unsafe items that can and have been used to kill people - it's not just about guns. It's about rights.

It dont metter. I said my piece. Yes, grammar and typo on purpose.

No one has attack us because of are nukes and I love that we have more then anyone will ever have.

It's not about rights it's about some conservative fat ass douchebag that wants to kill bad drivers,drunk drivers,illegal aliens,and drug dealers at the first shot they get.

[Gun Manufacturers]

The amount of misconceptions and narcissism that gets spewed out. Yes Europe in their enlightened ideology has banned the vast majority of people to own firearms. In point they do have less gun related crime - but they still have it. Does this make them better? No - it has shown their weakness and lack of spine in standing up for their rights. They have become cattle and sheep - the mark of socialism, agreeing with whatever the majority or the government says is good.

So what about America? They are becoming the same as Europe in their socialist enlightened ideology. We can talk to them and convince them how they are wrong, and when they threaten us, we will agree with them and pay them not to attack us.

The government, minority groups, special interest groups, etc are the speakers and dictators of the public at large. Because people don't want to get involved.

Everyone loves to rag on the USA for being this or that. But they come to the USA for a better life, aid in disasters, bail them out, protect them, alliances, etc. When was the last armed attack on US soil? 9-11 was not an armed attack. 1941 was. Prior to that - Independence. An armed attack will not only be met with by the military, but by its armed citizens as well.

Some liberal pencil necked geek will probably say I'm all wrong.

What about vehicular manslaughter, drunk drivers, illegal drugs, illegal aliens, gangs, knives, garden tools, kitchen knives, all the unsafe items that can and have been used to kill people - it's not just about guns. It's about rights.

It dont metter. I said my piece. Yes, grammar and typo on purpose.

Corrected.

[Bottle]

Guy who likes to shoot squirrels =/= well-regulated militia.

[Lunatic Goofballs]

Guy who likes to shoot squirrels =/= well-regulated militia.

Fair enough, but;

Guy who likes to shoot squirrels =/= Guy who likes to shoot schools.

[Ostronopolis]

So by implication, you would be cool with your neighbor owning a nuclear ICBM silo on his property, so long as he was able to afford it?

Actually, yes I am.

The Second Amendment gives you the right to bear arms, not the right to bear concealed arms so far as I can see. Please defend this interpretation.

Well it is his right.

[Tekania]

If I want to own what the NFA calls a "short barrel rifle" I have to pay a $200 transfer tax ON TOP OF purchase price and sales tax. I would say that that is infringing upon my right to keep and bear arms.

A tax as such, is not an "infringement upon your right to keep and bear arms." You might as well be claiming that having to PAY someone for a firearm is infringing upon your rights...

[DaWoad]

I'm sure none of this is new, but there's a reason dead horses get up and flee when I approach them with anything resembling a club:

1) Cops aren't going to get there fast enough to save you from a determined criminal who wants to maim/kill you or steal your stuff. What are you supposed to do, stay on the phone with the 911 operator while the perp chases you? If you have a gun you can shoot him and then get sued by his surviving family... because you shot their precious burglaring criminal.

because getting into a firefight with criminals who might otherwise have just stolen something is such a goooood idea. Look the potential benefit to having a gun at hand simply don't outweigh the risks and the more "at hand" your gun is the greater the risk of issues.

2) Hunting

sure . . . but hunting rifles then not ar-15 clones

3) Target-shooting -- that is fun.

have guns stored at range its safer, more secure and the millitary way of doing things

4) Collecting

stamps just to boring for you??

5) Defense against a tyrannical government or foreign invader -- good luck dealing with 50,000,000 American gun-owners, Napoleon...

Those are five reasons. But we don't really need to justify the right as it is a right, per se.

.... yesssss because civilians with rifles always do so well against trained proffes- oh wait no . . . a single armored cav brigade could . . . well you get the idea.
(and the states doesn't have 50 milllion people who could and would take up arms)

[Bottle]

Guy who likes to shoot squirrels =/= well-regulated militia.

Fair enough, but;

Guy who likes to shoot squirrels =/= Guy who likes to shoot schools.

To be honest, it's not the school shooters I really worry about. People who are that angry and driven toward violence will find ways to act on it, whether that's using a gun or making a pipe bomb or whatever else they can come up with. I don't think taking particular weapons away from such people will solve that particular problem.

What concerns me far more is the number of people who are simply irresponsible. What worries me is that accidental stabbings are rare, but accidental shootings are depressingly common. What worries me is the way that a gun can turn a moment's bad temper into murder, with greater ease than most other weapons, and with greater chance of accidentally hitting an innocent bystander.

And what annoys the living hell out of me is when people quote the Second Amendment as supposed proof of their personal right to own whatever guns they want without any regulation, when the damn thing SPECIFICALLY INCLUDES THE TERM "WELL-REGULATED."