Male reproductive rights?

[DaWoad]

not, technically, true. many species have no males and are technically entirely female. (in that they bear children)

Like...

every asexual bacterium, every asexual plant, every hermaphroditic species (earthworms, off the top of my head) etc.

[Euronion]

If you don't want to risk paying child support, keep it in your pants.

so again it is up to the males to control our reproduction, in your opinion then, the man should stay a virgin, while the woman goes around humping any pole that she finds? what about it being up to the woman, it is her body as so many other people have pointed out, if she doesn't want a baby, then she shouldn't have had sex

[The Parkus Empire]

No. If you're building a house, and I help pour the concrete, I don't get the right to tell you whether or not you can stop doing the rest of the work of building the house.

If you are married and get a divorce, anything that you had or made during the marriage, including money is up for debate, both parties get a say. If you are in a union and you share bank accounts, the money belongs to both you and your partner not solely to one person

Because you're established as "equal partners".

[The Parkus Empire]

Yes. You get a night of fun and she gets 9 months of issues, the delivery and all the other aspects afterwards.

The process is simple really.

You don't like this idea; get yourself cut.

And then I get stuck with eighteen years of "pay this bill" and "do this for me".

You have to support the child, yes. This is a matter of the kid's welfare, not the mother's.

[The Black Forrest]

If you don't want to risk paying child support, keep it in your pants.

But they want to have fun!

[DaWoad]

If you don't want to risk paying child support, keep it in your pants.

so again it is up to the males to control our reproduction, in your opinion then, the man should stay a virgin, while the woman goes around humping any pole that she finds? what about it being up to the woman, it is her body as so many other people have pointed out, if she doesn't want a baby, then she shouldn't have had sex

it's her body to do with as she wills. It's his body to do with as he wills. The fetus is a part of her body, it's not a part of his.

[Shadow25]

No. If you're building a house, and I help pour the concrete, I don't get the right to tell you whether or not you can stop doing the rest of the work of building the house.

If you are married and get a divorce, anything that you had or made during the marriage, including money is up for debate, both parties get a say. If you are in a union and you share bank accounts, the money belongs to both you and your partner not solely to one person

you both work hard in a marriage for that money whether in form of a job or in the house, but exactly how is making a baby considered a hard work?

[Umbra Ac Silentium]

If you don't want to risk paying child support, keep it in your pants.

so again it is up to the males to control our reproduction, in your opinion then, the man should stay a virgin, while the woman goes around humping any pole that she finds? what about it being up to the woman, it is her body as so many other people have pointed out, if she doesn't want a baby, then she shouldn't have had sex

>Implying controlling your body is equal to a guy not having sex

[DaWoad]

And then I get stuck with eighteen years of "pay this bill" and "do this for me".

You have to support the child, yes. This is a matter of the kid's welfare, not the mother's.

moreover you don't have to financially support the child if you're physically supporting the child. but parkus is entirely right on the rest.

[Peoples New Norway]

In the end it is always the woman's choice. Anyone who believes otherwise is either a rapist or a person who hangs on to ancient morals.

[Euronion]

We are needed, point there is obvious.

However, does carrying the baby for nine months give the woman any more right to it that the man? After all, it is the product of both persons.

They put more effort into it, sacrifice more time for it, and take more responsibility for it, not to mention the trauma of pregnancy. By most definitions of ownership, the female "owns" the pregnancy.

so your father never loved you, he ever cared for you as a child, never gave a damn about you? if the answer to that is no, then your father did care about you, let me speak from experience, when you look into that little babies face, you immediatley love it, you know that you would give your life up to defend it, I would do it for my children, and if another man feels that way about his child what gives women the right to take that child and stab a dagger through its heart?

[Hathradic States]

because it's her body. You do not get to for a person to give you a kidney, you do not get to force a woman to bear your child, it's that simple. If you don't want to have a kid, and you're a male, either don't have sex, get a vasectomy or come up with a legal agreement with your SO.

Now, for the converse, what if I want the child, want to be a father, and the woman decides to kill it because she doesn't want to be a mother? Where is the justice in that?

Sucks doesn't it. But hey, that's what men do.

You don't want that. A simple procedure will eliminate it......

Actually, I do want children. I also am not pro-choice, so idealy neither party would have a say in whether the child is to be born.

[The Parkus Empire]

In the end it is always the woman's choice. Anyone who believes otherwise is either a rapist or a person who hangs on to ancient morals.

Satire?

[Hathradic States]

And then I get stuck with eighteen years of "pay this bill" and "do this for me".

You have to support the child, yes. This is a matter of the kid's welfare, not the mother's.

Throughout the entire time, wouldn't it be about the kid's welfare?

[Apollonesia]

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[The Parkus Empire]

Now, for the converse, what if I want the child, want to be a father, and the woman decides to kill it because she doesn't want to be a mother? Where is the justice in that?

Plenty, since it is her body being used. Now after she gives birth, and she wants to give it up for adoption, you're well within your rights to say, "No, I don't think so," and take the child into your legal custody while she sends you a check every month to help take care of her/him.

[The Black Forrest]

They put more effort into it, sacrifice more time for it, and take more responsibility for it, not to mention the trauma of pregnancy. By most definitions of ownership, the female "owns" the pregnancy.

so your father never loved you, he ever cared for you as a child, never gave a damn about you? if the answer to that is no, then your father did care about you, let me speak from experience, when you look into that little babies face, you immediatley love it, you know that you would give your life up to defend it, I would do it for my children, and if another man feels that way about his child what gives women the right to take that child and stab a dagger through its heart?

Fatherhood is different.

Even Bill Cosby once told the story about it. Talked about raising the boy to be a Football monster. Goes to college, crashes through the lines and scores the winning touch down and what does he say to the camera "HI MOM!"

[Alien Space Bats]

However, does carrying the baby for nine months give the woman any more right to it that the man? After all, it is the product of both persons.

Hmmmm. Does the physical stress and strain of eating, drinking, and pissing for two while carrying a small bowling ball around in your belly, with all the attendant fatigue and backache, and then finally undergoing a huge amount of pain at the end with some small risk to your life mean anything?

Gosh, I don't know. You tell me.

[The Kings Council]

no one tells you what to do with your reproductive organs or any part of your body when you find some weird law that forces men to impregnate a woman by law then go on and demand that women don't have any abortions, other than that all you do is ejaculating which a very simple thing that you don't have to suffer from it for months

have you gotten anyone pregnant before? please tell me how easy it was for me to go through what i went through.

[Euronion]

so again it is up to the males to control our reproduction, in your opinion then, the man should stay a virgin, while the woman goes around humping any pole that she finds? what about it being up to the woman, it is her body as so many other people have pointed out, if she doesn't want a baby, then she shouldn't have had sex

it's her body to do with as she wills. It's his body to do with as he wills. The fetus is a part of her body, it's not a part of his.

yes you are right, so lets give every woman the right to stab herself in the stomach every time she doesn't want to have a child, because it doesn't matter what the male thinks does it, it doesn't matter what he cares about, it doesn't matter if he loves the child, go ahead and kill it because as we know murder is the way to solve everything

[The Parkus Empire]

You have to support the child, yes. This is a matter of the kid's welfare, not the mother's.

Throughout the entire time, wouldn't it be about the kid's welfare?

No, since it's a matter of bodily sovereignty.

[Hathradic States]

Now, for the converse, what if I want the child, want to be a father, and the woman decides to kill it because she doesn't want to be a mother? Where is the justice in that?

Plenty, since it is her body being used. Now after she gives birth, and she wants to give it up for adoption, you're well within your rights to say, "No, I don't think so," and take the child into your legal custody while she sends you a check every month to help take care of her/him.

So women have all right in the world to be a bitch to somebody who would be more than willing ot take the child because they don't want to deal with it? To put things bluntly, that is fucked.

[Old Koridai]

humans turning asexual/hermaphrodite

[Shadow25]

no one tells you what to do with your reproductive organs or any part of your body when you find some weird law that forces men to impregnate a woman by law then go on and demand that women don't have any abortions, other than that all you do is ejaculating which a very simple thing that you don't have to suffer from it for months

have you gotten anyone pregnant before? please tell me how easy it was for me to go through what i went through.

never know that ejaculating can be as hard as carrying a baby for 9 months

[DaWoad]

it's her body to do with as she wills. It's his body to do with as he wills. The fetus is a part of her body, it's not a part of his.

yes you are right, so lets give every woman the right to stab herself in the stomach every time she doesn't want to have a child, because it doesn't matter what the male thinks does it, it doesn't matter what he cares about, it doesn't matter if he loves the child, go ahead and kill it because as we know murder is the way to solve everything

we've been over this already.
1-it's not a child
2-it's not murder
3-yes, it doens't matter in the slightest what he thinks because it's not his body.