Male reproductive rights?

[Sorratsin]

Let's see one night of passion is the same as......not seeing it.

Your "donation" is expected but is hardly equal to what is placed on the woman......

We are needed, point there is obvious.

However, does carrying the baby for nine months give the woman any more right to it that the man? After all, it is the product of both persons.

They put more effort into it, sacrifice more time for it, and take more responsibility for it, not to mention the trauma of pregnancy. By most definitions of ownership, the female "owns" the pregnancy.

[Shadow25]

no one tells you what to do with your reproductive organs or any part of your body when you find some weird law that forces men to impregnate a woman by law then go on and demand that women don't have any abortions, other than that all you do is ejaculating which a very simple thing that you don't have to suffer from it for months

[Hathradic States]

I said creating, not keeping alive until it can survive on its own. And, without males, their would be no birth.

never heard of hermaphroditic species? or asexual ones?

Is mankind one of those?

The only pregnant women I've known of were pretty fucking cool when they were pregnant. Your misogynistic silliness about how much of bitch this women you know is does nothing to support your argument.

I must be dealing with a moody one, then. (Of course, she has been moody as long as I have known her...)

[Avenio]

I am no idiot, Parkus. I know that. However, the life itself is creating upon conception. After which we have the process of the baby forming, and then birth.

but how is baby formed?!?

I digress,
1- we don't "do half the work" we do significantly less than that. All the male "gives" is half the dna. The mother gives all the mitochondrial DNA, the cell and half the DNA. if you wanna give the male the (call it) 30% say due to donation about 30% of the stuff, go for it.

Not to mention the mother gives nine-odd months of nutrients and allows the fetus to 'borrow' her excretory and part of her cardiovascular systems.

[Veloxia]

A womans body changes dramatically throughout child bearing, a mans does not.

[Kopawapatepolis]

Half the birth, although, I don't know how the switching out process works.

And then we give half of the mitochondrial DNA.

That's not giving half the birth, that's giving half the process of impregnation.

No, I mean like...

Continuing on with the idea of a literal half and half job, my concern was with how the process of switching in between the half births would work.

Also, as a continuation of your reply, mitochondrial DNA is only inherited from the mother, at least in humans. Which was the point of that second line of mine. Get it? I'm unoriginal and using you as a crutch.

[The Floridian Coast]

A man has the right to choose to put on a condom if he doesn't want the woman exercising her reproductive rights. That's my opinion as a man, the whole "male reproductive rights" thing is one of the weakest anti-choice arguments and certainly one of the most irritating.

[Euronion]

ok so a man should not say what a woman does with her body correct? yes he should not be able to force her to wear make-up or to have sex with him ect. but, the child was created by both, therefore it is both of their property, the woman should have a say of what to do with her body, but she shouldn't have the power of life and death over the man's child

[The Parkus Empire]

That's not giving half the birth, that's giving half the process of impregnation.

No, I mean like...

Continuing on with the idea of a literal half and half job, my concern was with how the process of switching in between the half births would work.

Also, as a continuation of your reply, mitochondrial DNA is only inherited from the mother, at least in humans. Which was the point of that second line of mine. Get it? I'm unoriginal and using you as a crutch.

Standing upon the shoulders of giants is a excellent and well-tested recipe for success.

[Hathradic States]

We are needed, point there is obvious.

we're really not.

Really? I wonder how far our species would have gotten in the males suddenly all dropped dead a hundred years ago.

However, does carrying the baby for nine months give the woman any more right to it that the man? After all, it is the product of both persons.

yes. it does.

Why, though? Does the fact that the man is not carrying the child make it any less his child. I am certain that if he ran away and the mother so desired, she could sue him for child support. If he is finacially tied to the child, whether or not he wants to be, shouldn't he also have some form of reproductive rights?

[DaWoad]

If you're asking whether, as a man, you (or I) have the right to demand that a woman spend nine months of her life carrying our offspring to term and then risk their life giving birth at the end of that nine-month term, then I think the fairly obvious answer is "no".

so your basically saying that if I get my girlfirend pregnant, I pay for everything, I support her, I want to have a child, she can just say,

myep

I want to kill the baby because I want a baby when I want it,

it's not a baby it's a fetus

-snipped valueless appeal to emotion

, I can understand taking this to court and then judging whether the father is prepared to take care of the child if the mother refuses,

as soon as you find a way to remove the fetus with less risk than an abortion and allow it to grow sans mother go right ahead but until then you do not get to impose what you want on another person. Slavery is wroooong.

this puts the woman in absolute power,

in terms of what she does with her own body? damn straight and that's exactly as it should be.

and in absolute power of your reprofuction,

no. in absolute power of her body. If you want to have a child go find a woman who will have your child. You cannot, however, force a woman to do so.

meaning, you cannot have a child until the woman wants you to,

a woman not the woman but yes.

and if you can't. too bad bub looks like your family which has survived evolution for millions of years, that survived the Black Plague, that has lasted for generations, is going to die out because the woman did not feel like it

only if you're the last survivor of you family and only if there's only one woman out there capable of reproducing with you. Both of which are ludicrous.

Moreover, this is a purely insane appeal to emotion that adds nothing to the argument. Honestly, get over this fear that no woman will ever want to have a kid with you, stop promoting slavery, and move the f*** on.

[The Black Forrest]

Let's see one night of passion is the same as......not seeing it.

Your "donation" is expected but is hardly equal to what is placed on the woman......

We are needed, point there is obvious.

Impregnation does not grant you equal rights.

However, does carrying the baby for nine months give the woman any more right to it that the man? After all, it is the product of both persons.

Yes. You get a night of fun and she gets 9 months of issues, the delivery and all the other aspects afterwards.

The process is simple really.

You don't like this idea; get yourself cut.

[The Parkus Empire]

ok so a man should not say what a woman does with her body correct? yes he should not be able to force her to wear make-up or to have sex with him ect. but, the child was created by both, therefore it is both of their property, the woman should have a say of what to do with her body, but she shouldn't have the power of life and death over the man's child

No. If you're building a house, and I help pour the concrete, I don't get the right to tell you whether or not you can stop doing the rest of the work of building the house.

[Euronion]

A man has the right to choose to put on a condom if he doesn't want the woman exercising her reproductive rights. That's my opinion as a man, the whole "male reproductive rights" thing is one of the weakest anti-choice arguments and certainly one of the most irritating.

uh maybe ou didn't take health class when you were in high school but condoms don't work all the time, in fact my aunt had sex once with her tubes tied and a diaphram and her husband used a condom (I over heard it in a conversation when I was 12) and she stil l got pregnant, besides, doesn't the woman also take the same risks, doesn't she know what she is getting into, and to address your last comment, this is not an anti-choice argument, this is an arguement of whether a man has any right to a child produced by both man and woman

[Sorratsin]

the child was created by both, therefore it is both of their property,

Only in bizarro world.

The women puts more effort, time, and sacrifices more for the pregnancy, and the fetus is part of her body. By every respectable definition of property ownership, the fetus is hers.

[The Kings Council]

The fetus is in the woman's body, not the man's. So it should be the woman's choice whether she wants it or not, and not the man's.

You are correct we have no rights until the child is born so no matter what you you choice you make we have to live with it. Forcing a child on some one or killing some one's child and legacy is completely out of their hands. Kinda like a dictatorship.

[Hathradic States]

Yes. You get a night of fun and she gets 9 months of issues, the delivery and all the other aspects afterwards.

The process is simple really.

You don't like this idea; get yourself cut.

And then I get stuck with eighteen years of "pay this bill" and "do this for me".

[DaWoad]

we're really not.

Really? I wonder how far our species would have gotten in the males suddenly all dropped dead a hundred years ago.

probably not well? there are, however, species that reproduce asexually. Moreover there are now sperm banks aplenty. You really don't need us all that much at this point.

yes. it does.

Why, though? Does the fact that the man is not carrying the child make it any less his child. I am certain that if he ran away and the mother so desired, she could sue him for child support. If he is finacially tied to the child, whether or not he wants to be, shouldn't he also have some form of reproductive rights?

because it's her body. You do not get to for a person to give you a kidney, you do not get to force a woman to bear your child, it's that simple. If you don't want to have a kid, and you're a male, either don't have sex, get a vasectomy or come up with a legal agreement with your SO.

[The Black Forrest]

ok so a man should not say what a woman does with her body correct? yes he should not be able to force her to wear make-up or to have sex with him ect. but, the child was created by both, therefore it is both of their property, the woman should have a say of what to do with her body, but she shouldn't have the power of life and death over the man's child

Your night of pleasure doesn't give you much to say in the matter.

You want a say; hopefully she will want to marry you.

You don't like it. Get yourself cut......

[Larrick]

Legally the woman has the final say on an abortion, but to just go through one when the man wants to be a father is a pretty bitch move.

[DaWoad]

The fetus is in the woman's body, not the man's. So it should be the woman's choice whether she wants it or not, and not the man's.

You are correct we have no rights until the child is born so no matter what you you choice you make we have to live with it. Forcing a child on some one or killing some one's child and legacy is completely out of their hands. Kinda like a dictatorship.

no. Not at all. Forcing someone to bear a child or to have an abortion, however, would be exactly like enslaving them.

[Euronion]

ok so a man should not say what a woman does with her body correct? yes he should not be able to force her to wear make-up or to have sex with him ect. but, the child was created by both, therefore it is both of their property, the woman should have a say of what to do with her body, but she shouldn't have the power of life and death over the man's child

No. If you're building a house, and I help pour the concrete, I don't get the right to tell you whether or not you can stop doing the rest of the work of building the house.

If you are married and get a divorce, anything that you had or made during the marriage, including money is up for debate, both parties get a say. If you are in a union and you share bank accounts, the money belongs to both you and your partner not solely to one person

[Veloxia]

If you don't want to risk paying child support, keep it in your pants.

[The Kings Council]

I think he means that we donated half the chromosomes and that without males there would be neither males nor females

not, technically, true. many species have no males and are technically entirely female. (in that they bear children)

Like...

[The Black Forrest]

Yes. You get a night of fun and she gets 9 months of issues, the delivery and all the other aspects afterwards.

The process is simple really.

You don't like this idea; get yourself cut.

And then I get stuck with eighteen years of "pay this bill" and "do this for me".

Sucks doesn't it. But hey, that's what men do.

You don't want that. A simple procedure will eliminate it......