Evil

[Novariea]

What? When did I say that? "Morally Reprehensible" and "Evil" are the same thing (both subjective labels). I just don't personally like using the term "evil" because I just think it sounds rather melodramatic.

You didn't actually say it... It was, however, implied in the post I responded to.

Fair enough. I didn't intend to imply it then.

[Volnotova]

I disagree on the point about subjectivity, but I agree that 'evil' is a melodramatic term.

cf. the Daily Mail.

Everything about morality is subjective...

And that is why any ethical propositions and moral claims are inherently fallacious, ridiculous and merely the byproduct of delusional minds.

[Dyakovo]

You didn't actually say it... It was, however, implied in the post I responded to.

Fair enough. I didn't intend to imply it then.

No worries...

[Chumblywumbly]

Everything about morality is subjective...

As a long-time poster who gets involved in these sorts of threads, I imagine you already know I heartily disagree.

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Absolutism is inherently a silly thing to believe in, think of Kant a second. According to him, all rational beings (the entirety of humanity as far as he cared) would come to the same moral conclusions. In what world does that make any sense and does it not reek of cultural imperialism?

Not really, no.

To Kant, all humans are capable of thinking rationally. Thus all humans are capable of reaching the same conclusions on morality.

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Everything about morality is subjective...

And that is why any ethical propositions and moral claims are inherently fallacious, ridiculous and merely the byproduct of delusional minds.

You're either being hyperbolic, or aren't grasping the meanings of 'fallacious' and 'delusional'.

[Bkujj]

Everything about morality is subjective...

And that is why any ethical propositions and moral claims are inherently fallacious, ridiculous and merely the byproduct of delusional minds.

troll

[Dyakovo]

Everything about morality is subjective...

And that is why any ethical propositions and moral claims are inherently fallacious, ridiculous and merely the byproduct of delusional minds.

I don't see how that follows...

What is inherently fallacious or ridiculous about this statement: I find the killing of children to be morally reprehensible?"
Also, how is that statement a sign of a delusional mind?

[Utopia FTW]

Everything about morality is subjective...

As a long-time poster who gets involved in these sorts of threads, I imagine you already know I heartily disagree.

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Absolutism is inherently a silly thing to believe in, think of Kant a second. According to him, all rational beings (the entirety of humanity as far as he cared) would come to the same moral conclusions. In what world does that make any sense and does it not reek of cultural imperialism?

Not really, no.

To Kant, all humans are capable of thinking rationally. Thus all humans are capable of reaching the same conclusions on morality.

that kant sure sounds like a kunt.

[Ifreann]

And that is why any ethical propositions and moral claims are inherently fallacious, ridiculous and merely the byproduct of delusional minds.

I don't see how that follows...

What is inherently fallacious or ridiculous about this statement: I find the killing of children to be morally reprehensible?"
Also, how is that statement a sign of a delusional mind?

Because children aren't real and you're delusional if you think they are.

[Dyakovo]

Everything about morality is subjective...

As a long-time poster who gets involved in these sorts of threads, I imagine you already know I heartily disagree.

Yes. Although I don't recall you ever being able to back up your claim to the contrary... At least not to my satisfaction...

[Chumblywumbly]

that kant sure sounds like a kunt.

I assure you that is not an original joke.

[Dyakovo]

I don't see how that follows...

What is inherently fallacious or ridiculous about this statement: I find the killing of children to be morally reprehensible?"
Also, how is that statement a sign of a delusional mind?

Because children aren't real and you're delusional if you think they are.

LOL

Good one Iffy.

[Banditoca]

Good/Evil, Right/Wrong are all subjective concepts. Things are right or wrong based on a certain perspective. In my perspective, going outside without a hat, acting "normal", or using force or fraud on another individual is wrong. And, contrary to the creator of this thread, I am against advocating for the existence of a government, because it is the embodiment of force and fraud itself.

But these things are all from my own perspective, and someone's disagreement with me would only serve to show that there are many, subjective ethical codes.

[Dyakovo]

that kant sure sounds like a kunt.

I assure you that is not an original joke.

It's not?!?!

[Chumblywumbly]

In my perspective, going outside without a hat... is wrong.

Surely not morally so?

[Dyakovo]

In my perspective, going outside without a hat... is wrong.

Surely not morally so?

If it is, then he has an odd moral code...

[Novariea]

Surely not morally so?

If it is, then he has an odd moral code...

I think that was kind of his point. The moral codes of others may seem disagreeable or even ridiculous to us, but that doesn't make them any less valid if morality is a subjective concept rather than an objective absolute.

[Volnotova]

troll

"This person doesn't agree with me, and therefore he/she is a troll"

Please elaborate?

I don't see how that follows...

What is inherently fallacious or ridiculous about this statement: I find the killing of children to be morally reprehensible?"
Also, how is that statement a sign of a delusional mind?

First of all, is that something you actually believe? If so, why? What made you come to such a conclusion that resulted in you finding the killing of children morally reprehensible?

There are no possible logical arguments that can proof that certain things are inherently moral or immoral. If something is so wrong and so immoral, then why can you do it? That said, some may claim we have "Free Will", but as proven many times before the whole concept of "Free" Will is inherently ridiculous.

Ethical propositions are the byproduct of delusional minds, they are only the result of gut feelings and fallacious thinking.

[Dyakovo]

If it is, then he has an odd moral code...

I think that was kind of his point. The moral codes of others may seem disagreeable or even ridiculous to us, but that doesn't make them any less valid if morality is a subjective concept rather than an objective absolute.

Maybe... I don't remember his post... I probably just skimmed it... I at least didn't notice that part until I saw it quoted by Chumbly...

[Banditoca]

Everything about morality is subjective...

And that is why any ethical propositions and moral claims are inherently fallacious, ridiculous and merely the byproduct of delusional minds.

See, but, EVERYTHING is subjective. Because you could at this moment be dreaming, delusional, schizophrenic, or in the Matrix, you cannot "know" what is real and what is not (your senses could be lying to you). Therefore, EVERYTHING is subjective. Which would lead to all propositions on existence/nonexistence of anything would be, according to you, "inherently fallacious, ridiculous and merely the byproduct of delusional minds," which essentially would mean that most everyone is delusional.

[Chumblywumbly]

I think that was kind of his point. The moral codes of others may seem disagreeable or even ridiculous to us, but that doesn't make them any less valid if morality is a subjective concept rather than an objective absolute.

Having a subjective moral viewpoint doesn't necessarily mean that things we view as immoral is completely arbitrary.

I mean, why is not wearing a hat outside an immoral thing to do, instead of being poor etiquette?

[Banditoca]

If it is, then he has an odd moral code...

I think that was kind of his point. The moral codes of others may seem disagreeable or even ridiculous to us, but that doesn't make them any less valid if morality is a subjective concept rather than an objective absolute.

Exactly, good sir!

[Dyakovo]

I don't see how that follows...

What is inherently fallacious or ridiculous about this statement: I find the killing of children to be morally reprehensible?"
Also, how is that statement a sign of a delusional mind?

First of all, is that something you actually believe?

Whether or not I actually believe it is immaterial to my question.

There are no possible logical arguments that can proof that certain things are inherently moral or immoral.

Has nothing to do with my question.

Ethical propositions are the byproduct of delusional minds, they are only the result of gut feelings and fallacious thinking.

You have yet to explain why. Repetition does not the truth make.

[Volnotova]

Whether or not I actually believe it is immaterial to my question.

If you actually believe it I can show you why it is nonsense. If I do not know what the "arguments" are for the idea that the killing of children is morally reprehensible then

Has nothing to do with my question.

It does, because if there are no logical arguments that can proof something is inherently moral or immoral then what could lead people to say such things? The answer is fallacious thinking, wishful thinking, gut feelings, yuck-based ethics, etc. All byproducts of delusional minds.

[Chumblywumbly]

There are no possible logical arguments that can proof that certain things are inherently moral or immoral. If something is so wrong and so immoral, then why can you do it?

Doing something wrong does not mean the action is not wrong.

If you drive the wrong way down a one-way street, it does not mean that the street is now a two-way street.

Ethical propositions are the byproduct of delusional minds, they are only the result of gut feelings and fallacious thinking.

Again, You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

[Chumblywumbly]

See, but, EVERYTHING is subjective. Because you could at this moment be dreaming, delusional, schizophrenic, or in the Matrix, you cannot "know" what is real and what is not (your senses could be lying to you). Therefore, EVERYTHING is subjective.

That does not follow.

There's nothing within the inability to definitively prove what is real and what is not that discounts objectivity. If I am just a brain in a vat, being conned by an evil daemon, or just delusional, it does not follow that there is no reality where the brain in a vat, et al, exists.