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Postby Tiami » Sun Jun 05, 2011 5:08 pm

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Tiami wrote:The Warning to NSG part is what I meant. -.-

As you see, I'm aware of your reply. I merely fall short of being wary thereof.

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Postby Polska rzczpolspolita » Sun Jun 05, 2011 5:59 pm

Good in evil exist in everyone, polarized in the afterlife and......
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Good and evil is a very polarized concept, originating from ignorance. In the eye of the beholder type thing. People can be good and bad. No ones perfect.
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Postby Hresejnen » Sun Jun 05, 2011 7:02 pm

Dumb Ideologies wrote:Evil isn't a concept I believe in.

This. There are things that are bad to do, but it's never absolute. It is, however, generally pretty clear. Making money, for instance, is generally considered a good thing. As long as you obey the law, people are OK with that, until, of course, the company making money does so by exploiting defenseless people, visibly widening the prosperity gap, and wrecking the economy. Nothing they specifically do is always "evil", but what they're doing is wrong.

We don't need cut and dry concepts like good and evil. In fact, they're pretty new things to western society, having only existed for the better part of a millennium (which isn't very long compared to other abstract concepts).

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Postby SaintB » Sun Jun 05, 2011 7:08 pm

Any act done for no other reason than to cause harm, pain, or destruction. Anything done merely for personal gain at the expense of another. That's what I consider evil.
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Postby Sociobiology » Sun Jun 05, 2011 8:26 pm

I don't believe good and evil exist, there is only favorable and unfavorable.
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Postby Geniasis » Sun Jun 05, 2011 8:40 pm

Greater Tezdrian wrote:The dead are sacrosanct, and defiling\disturbing them in any way is immoral and wrong.


What if it's a medical school, and it's a student learning how to operate on a human body? I won't judge others based on how they want their corpses to be handled, but I would love for something like to happen to my corpse, or maybe have my organs donated. Any way that I can help to bring about good, even in death, would be a beautiful thing. Far more important to me than the sanctity of the chunk of meat I used to be a part of.

The murder or willful harming of children is deeply immoral and wrong.


The murder or willful harming of anyone is immoral and wrong. If it's any worse when done to children, it's only because they have no way of defending themselves and/or it involves a betrayal from a trusted authority figure.

The defilement of houses of worship and holy places is immoral and wrong.


I don't know about this one. I agree to it as a general statement, but not as an absolute. Just in case we actually find a Satanic Altar of +5 Baby Sacrificing.

I like to keep my options open.

The engagement of a human in sexual intercourse with an animal is immoral and wrong.


Animals can't give informed consent, so yes.

The willful destruction of beauty is immoral and wrong.


Define beauty. If something is physically or aesthetically beautiful but morally repugnant?

The desire to abolish government and/or civilization is wrong.


I guess we're all hunting like everybody else for a way the diligent and sensible can rise to the top and the lazy and quarrelsome can sink to the bottom, But it ain't easy to find.

I don't agree with it, but that's from a logical perspective, not a moral one.

The willful taking of the life of a human outside official context is immoral and wrong.


Official context?

The infliction of pain on another for one's personal pleasure is immoral and wrong.


As long as they know the safeword...

The consumption of a human is immoral and wrong.


I dunno. If me and the guys find ourselves in a Donnor Party situation and they're all like "Dudebro, if I die... you can eat me," I'm eating him.

No R v Dudley and Stephens shit, though.
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Postby Tokyoni » Sun Jun 05, 2011 8:43 pm

Evil, to me, as I understand it, occurs when we as human beings allow our egoist passions to overcome the more rational cooperative behavior. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, and anyone who sacrifices the good of the many for the good of the few, is, to me, evil.
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Postby Hallistar » Sun Jun 05, 2011 8:44 pm

Greater Tezdrian wrote:What is it?

Personally, I could be said to adhere to the school of Moral Absolutism; in the sense that there is a set of key principles that should not be violated; and while violating merely a single one of these principles does not make one automatically evil, violating two or more does. However I also recognize that besides these principles there are other specifics that vary from culture to culture in regard to what exactly evil is; so I also have a flair of Moral Universalism. The principles I mentioned are as follows:

  • The dead are sacrosanct, and defiling\disturbing them in any way is immoral and wrong.
  • The murder or willful harming of children is deeply immoral and wrong.
  • The defilement of houses of worship and holy places is immoral and wrong.
  • The engagement of a human in sexual intercourse with an animal is immoral and wrong.
  • The willful destruction of beauty is immoral and wrong.
  • The desire to abolish government and/or civilization is wrong.
  • The willful taking of the life of a human outside official context is immoral and wrong.
  • The infliction of pain on another for one's personal pleasure is immoral and wrong.
  • The consumption of a human is immoral and wrong.

Now, these are the core precepts which humanity and society abide by almost universally. Any one by itself is disgusting and perverted, but two are evil. There are of course other definitions but I feel that I have covered the basics. The only reason Amoralism could be adopted is the defense of these precepts. While I believe the precepts are generally universal, they are at heart my own personal definition of evil and I would like to hear the views of others on the matter.

So, what say ye', NSG?


I agree with those more or less, every religion out there is going to have some, if not most of these ideals, evil is more subjective though to certain sides based on whose definition of allowing what, but nevertheless

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Postby Romlia » Sun Jun 05, 2011 8:49 pm

Dumb Ideologies wrote:Evil isn't a concept I believe in.

:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

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Postby Metanih » Sun Jun 05, 2011 8:49 pm

Greater Tezdrian wrote:What is it?

Personally, I could be said to adhere to the school of Moral Absolutism; in the sense that there is a set of key principles that should not be violated; and while violating merely a single one of these principles does not make one automatically evil, violating two or more does. However I also recognize that besides these principles there are other specifics that vary from culture to culture in regard to what exactly evil is; so I also have a flair of Moral Universalism. The principles I mentioned are as follows:

  • The dead are sacrosanct, and defiling\disturbing them in any way is immoral and wrong.
  • The murder or willful harming of children is deeply immoral and wrong.
  • The defilement of houses of worship and holy places is immoral and wrong.
  • The engagement of a human in sexual intercourse with an animal is immoral and wrong.
  • The willful destruction of beauty is immoral and wrong.
  • The desire to abolish government and/or civilization is wrong.
  • The willful taking of the life of a human outside official context is immoral and wrong.
  • The infliction of pain on another for one's personal pleasure is immoral and wrong.
  • The consumption of a human is immoral and wrong.

Now, these are the core precepts which humanity and society abide by almost universally. Any one by itself is disgusting and perverted, but two are evil. There are of course other definitions but I feel that I have covered the basics. The only reason Amoralism could be adopted is the defense of these precepts. While I believe the precepts are generally universal, they are at heart my own personal definition of evil and I would like to hear the views of others on the matter.

So, what say ye', NSG?

[*]The dead are sacrosanct, and defiling\disturbing them in any way is immoral and wrong.
Sure (EDIT) Didn't really think about organ donation. Therefore, I have to disagree with this one as well. It is ok as a principle, but there are exceptions to this rule.
[*]The murder or willful harming of children is deeply immoral and wrong.
Well, no. Depends on the age of the child and what the child does. 99.9% sure but...
[*]The defilement of houses of worship and holy places is immoral and wrong.
No. It isn't "right" but there are many conflicting religions in the world and they are bound to disagree. Disagreement should be settled with words, but it rarely works that way.
[*]The engagement of a human in sexual intercourse with an animal is immoral and wrong.
No. It is kinda gross, but not wrong in anyway. People feel however they feel, no matter how repulsive to others.
[*]The willful destruction of beauty is immoral and wrong.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. In my opinion then, following this, no tree could ever be cut down, for it destroys the natural beauty of nature.
[*]The desire to abolish government and/or civilization is wrong.
So is it wrong for me to want to abolish a corrupt government. *hack* America *hack*
[*]The willful taking of the life of a human outside official context is immoral and wrong.
"Official Context" is too broad. The halocaust was official, but oh so very wrong.
[*]The infliction of pain on another for one's personal pleasure is immoral and wrong.
Sure
[*]The consumption of a human is immoral and wrong.
Eww, but not wrong. Just a little different.
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Postby Meryuma » Sun Jun 05, 2011 8:53 pm

I think the goal of life is individual fulfillment. This is more specific then simple happiness or, it implies a sort of wisdom and coming to terms with life, and is not defined in opposition to sadness or hardship or suffering or anything like that. Things which aid this goal for the self are good, things which obstruct this goal for the self are bad.
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Postby Geniasis » Sun Jun 05, 2011 8:54 pm

Ah, the Halocaust. When thousands of Halo fans cried out, and were suddenly silenced by the Halo 3 Beta.

Dark times.
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Reichskommissariat ost wrote:Women are as good as men , I dont know why they constantly whine about things.


Euronion wrote:because how dare me ever ever try to demand rights for myself, right men, we should just lie down and let the women trample over us, let them take awa our rights, our right to vote will be next just don't say I didn't warn ou

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Postby Meryuma » Sun Jun 05, 2011 8:58 pm

Farnhamia wrote:The desire to abolish government and/or civilization is juvenile, not immoral and wrong.


That statement is bothersome and ignorant, not immoral and wrong.
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Potarius wrote:
Neo Arcad wrote:Gravity is a natural phenomenon by which physical bodies attract with a force proportional to their mass.


In layman's terms, orgy time.


Niur wrote: my soul has no soul.


Saint Clair Island wrote:The English language sucks. From now on, I will refer to the second definition of sexual as "fucktacular."


Trotskylvania wrote:Alternatively, we could go on an epic quest to Plato's Cave to find the legendary artifact, Ockham's Razor.



Norstal wrote:Gunpowder Plot: America.

Meryuma: "Well, I just hope these hyperboles don't...

*puts on sunglasses*

blow out of proportions."

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

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Postby Pope Joan » Sun Jun 05, 2011 10:04 pm

Evil is whatever hurts the innocent.

Disturbing the dead is not evil because the dead are not here any more, just their physical leftovers which don't matter

Go ahead and desecrate my place of worship but just please don't smash any more windows; our heating bills are hell to pay.

Killing anyone inside or outside an official context is wrong and I oppose it. Not that I haven't wanted to try it sometimes, but still....
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Postby Greed and Death » Sun Jun 05, 2011 10:38 pm

There is no such thing as evil or good. It is just some generic community standard.
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Postby Risottia » Sun Jun 05, 2011 10:54 pm

Pope Joan wrote:Evil is whatever hurts the innocent.

Define innocent without using "evil" (or its contrary) in the definition. :D
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Postby Vedraz » Mon Jun 06, 2011 1:46 am

i'd say cats are pretty evil

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Postby Naurobia » Mon Jun 06, 2011 1:48 am

In my view it is whatever goes against the bible.
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Postby Vedraz » Mon Jun 06, 2011 1:49 am

Naurobia wrote:In my view it is whatever goes against the bible.

alot of the time that is very open to interpretaton thogh

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Postby Meowfoundland » Mon Jun 06, 2011 2:14 am

Vedraz wrote:i'd say cats are pretty evil

>:(
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Postby Vedraz » Mon Jun 06, 2011 2:20 am

Meowfoundland wrote:
Vedraz wrote:i'd say cats are pretty evil

>:(

i'm sorry you dont share my opinioin

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Postby Meowfoundland » Mon Jun 06, 2011 2:25 am

Vedraz wrote:
Meowfoundland wrote: >:(

i'm sorry you dont share my opinioin

Only because cats are Gods sacred messengers on Earth.
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Postby Lackadaisical2 » Mon Jun 06, 2011 2:26 am

Evil is whatever stops me from doing what I want to.
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Postby Vedraz » Mon Jun 06, 2011 2:34 am

Meowfoundland wrote:
Vedraz wrote:i'm sorry you dont share my opinioin

Only because cats are Gods sacred messengers on Earth.

maybe but that makes them arrogrant and no fun at all

dogs are just like little furry people and are lots of fun

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Postby Risna » Mon Jun 06, 2011 2:45 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:Evil isn't a concept I believe in.

She speaks the truth!
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