Should we celebrate Osama's Death

[Greater Tezdrian]

We should celebrate the death of mass murderers.

[Fionnuala_Saoirse]

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Will reply. A volcano of a curry awaits me for now.

[Eboinland]

And why should people try to aspire to be better? Who decided that being bloodthirsty is bad? Would not being bloodthirsty be better? Why?

I'm sorry if this appears kinda dickish, but I don't believe people should, or honestly do, aspire to be 'better', as if people as they are now are awful or something. We are how we are, which is pretty damn similar to how we always have been, and probably similar to how we always will be. Certain aspects of people cannot be changed. They desire for vengeance is one of them. Sure, people go the motions of claiming that they disagree with vengeance, but deep down if people honestly looked at how they feel they would acknowledge that the desire for blood and vengeance is buried deep inside under the false trappings of civility and so called modern beliefs. And it scares them to that the animal is inside.

People should embrace emotion and passion and not suppress parts of themselves.

Humanity is not always pretty but it should be embraced. Not just portions that some people like, and others think should be changed, but humanity/human nature in its entirety. All the love, creativity, jealousy, hate, caring, etc parts of it. All of it.

This guy gets it!

[Eboinland]

We should celebrate the death of mass murderers.

Agreed!

[Belrussia]

Its wrong to celebrate anyones death, regardless of deeds.
Its primitive and childish.

[Trollgaard]

Its wrong to celebrate anyones death, regardless of deeds.
Its primitive and childish.

Nonsense.

[Andaluciae]

If you're going to tut-tut and expect people to act like emotionless automatons, then your going to be sorely disappointed.

I don't expect them to act like emotionless automatons. I hope for them to resist the ugly emotional responses. Although it does make it easy to identify and avoid the twats I suppose.

Because expressing emotions with wild abandon makes someone a twat?

[Fionnuala_Saoirse]

I don't expect them to act like emotionless automatons. I hope for them to resist the ugly emotional responses. Although it does make it easy to identify and avoid the twats I suppose.

Because expressing emotions with wild abandon makes someone a twat?

Depending on the emotion, yes.

[Andaluciae]

Because expressing emotions with wild abandon makes someone a twat?

Depending on the emotion, yes.

Happiness that one of the most vile people in the world, a man who is responsible for tens of thousands of deaths on behalf of his own personal vanity, has been finally removed from the living? That the man to whom neophytes into Al Qaeda swore loyalty by name is dead?

I'm sorry, but his resume is not one of an individual worthy of mourning.

[Fionnuala_Saoirse]

I'm sorry, but his resume is not one of an individual worthy of mourning.

I have more settings than celebration and mourning.

[Andaluciae]

I'm sorry, but his resume is not one of an individual worthy of mourning.

I have more settings than celebration and mourning.

Ever heard of rhetoric?

The point is, is there something wrong with celebrating the end of a particularly villainous individual?

[EnragedMaldivians]

Depending on the emotion, yes.

Happiness that one of the most vile people in the world, a man who is responsible for tens of thousands of deaths on behalf of his own personal vanity, has been finally removed from the living? That the man to whom neophytes into Al Qaeda swore loyalty by name is dead?

I'm sorry, but his resume is not one of an individual worthy of mourning.

Not to mention he did more damage to the image of a billion people, than even that idiot Khomeini. And it must be mentioned all the tragedy and grief that Al Qaeda has wrought upon innocent Shi'ite pilgrims.

I didn't exactly celebrate, because I have no personal connection to his victims and that's who I felt the moment should belong to. But he is no more; that makes me happy. I am happy that Barack Obama authorized a mission to kill him. I'm happy that it succeeded. There is no shame in admitting this.

The point is, is there something wrong with celebrating the end of a particularly villainous individual?

Absoloutely not. And I find it ridiculous that the killing of someone responsible for the death of thousands of people, and the tainting of the image of a billion people; is in anyway equivalent to his killing of innocent people. It's not as simple as Killing, is killing, is killing. There's a context.

[East Canuck]

Celebrating what exactly? Extrajudicial killings? Invasion of sovereign land? 10+ years of inept information gathering? Or better yet, reliable information gathered by torture?

I don't see anything worth celebrating in this particular death.

[EnragedMaldivians]

Celebrating what exactly? Extrajudicial killings? Invasion of sovereign land? 10+ years of inept information gathering? Or better yet, reliable information gathered by torture?

I don't see anything worth celebrating in this particular death.

1. Demonstrate that Osama's killing was in violation of international law.

2. Invasion is a hyperbolic word. Their sovereignty was violated, yes. And Obama's stated that he is willing to continue ignoring their sovereignty to go after other high level targets - personally, I think it makes sense to do this.

(Pakistan's government is so corrupt, and they are such a nuisance to South Asia; I'd rather they not have any sovereignty anyway. They blew up all their sane politicians a long time ago.)

3. I have no opinion on the morality of torture; but it doesn't seem to me that much reliable information was gathered by its use.

Regardless; you may not like the process that led up to it - but I don't see anything wrong with celebrating the death of a mass murderer.

[Andaluciae]

Happiness that one of the most vile people in the world, a man who is responsible for tens of thousands of deaths on behalf of his own personal vanity, has been finally removed from the living? That the man to whom neophytes into Al Qaeda swore loyalty by name is dead?

I'm sorry, but his resume is not one of an individual worthy of mourning.

Not to mention he did more damage to the image of a billion people, than even that idiot Khomeini. And it must be mentioned all the tragedy and grief that Al Qaeda has wrought upon innocent Shi'ite pilgrims.

I didn't exactly celebrate, because I have no personal connection to his victims and that's who I felt the moment should belong to. But he is no more; that makes me happy. I am happy that Barack Obama authorized a mission to kill him. I'm happy that it succeeded. There is no shame in admitting this.

The point is, is there something wrong with celebrating the end of a particularly villainous individual?

Absoloutely not. And I find it ridiculous that the killing of someone responsible for the death of thousands of people, and the tainting of the image of a billion people; is in anyway equivalent to his killing of innocent people. It's not as simple as Killing, is killing, is killing. There's a context.

Exactly. I wasn't out in the streets cheering, or anything. I don't have personal reason to, but the sentiment, as expressed by the great American humorist Mark Twain ssems to fit: "I have never wished for the death of another man, but there are certain obituaries I have read with great pleasure."

[FrEedomF]

No, of course not.
Relief is understandable, but a death is not a reason for you to race out onto the street yelling "USA! USA!"
Deluding yourself is thinking a death can make up for other deaths. It can't.

[Central Slavia]

http://www.debate.org/debates/Celebrating-at-Osama-Bin-Ladens-death-is-wrong./1/

I was wondering how people can be against celebrating Osama's death. What is wrong with it?

Bastard had it coming. Of course we should.

[Galla-]

I'm against the celebrations, mainly because it's inciting hatred from the remaining people of Al-Qaeda, and I don't like the idea of celebrating death. I find it reprehensible.

Actually, I'm all for them. Of course it will make them mad; Killing Osama in the first place would make 'em mad. I see it like Halo on XBox Live: First you kill him, then you rub it in his(or his follower's) face(s), and say, "Suck it!" And making them mad is also a plus: If you want to kill someone because you hate them in every way, can you think straight? Usually the answer is no. So they'll go crazy trying to avenge his death and screw up. If not, we still have moar dakka.

Because AQ detonating a nuclear bomb they acquired from Pakistan in San Fran or Boston or some other large American city is good, right? That's why making them pissed is a plus, right?

Anyone who celebrates Osama's death in such an open fashion is on par with those fellows who burn the Qu'ran. They're only enticing attacks on American and ISAF troops by creating massive propaganda for AQ to use to rile their followers up even more, especially given how little actual leadership capability Osama had in the organisation. He was essentially their moneyman and public face. Nothing more. They'll find more funding, and they'll use the celebrations to show how "barbaric" Americans or some shit, to make Osama a martyr.

[Central Slavia]

Its wrong to celebrate anyones death, regardless of deeds.
Its primitive and childish.

Bullshit.
Death of fascists and criminals is a reason for celebration. Especially if inflicted by someone else as a part of legal proceedings
Life lacks any implicit value, and well , these folks had a negative one

[ArghNeedAName]

I personally don't think it's morally right to celebreate the death of a human being, even though to the killing was certainly justified. I took it as a time to reflect.

[Andaluciae]

Actually, I'm all for them. Of course it will make them mad; Killing Osama in the first place would make 'em mad. I see it like Halo on XBox Live: First you kill him, then you rub it in his(or his follower's) face(s), and say, "Suck it!" And making them mad is also a plus: If you want to kill someone because you hate them in every way, can you think straight? Usually the answer is no. So they'll go crazy trying to avenge his death and screw up. If not, we still have moar dakka.

Because AQ detonating a nuclear bomb they acquired from Pakistan in San Fran or Boston or some other large American city is good, right? That's why making them pissed is a plus, right?

Anyone who celebrates Osama's death in such an open fashion is on par with those fellows who burn the Qu'ran. They're only enticing attacks on American and ISAF troops by creating massive propaganda for AQ to use to rile their followers up even more, especially given how little actual leadership capability Osama had in the organisation. He was essentially their moneyman and public face. Nothing more. They'll find more funding, and they'll use the celebrations to show how "barbaric" Americans or some shit, to make Osama a martyr.

In other words... "Oh my god, NOW the terrorists are going to want to attack us!"

[Hyorius]

A lot of things are wrong with celebrating his death. He had good intentions because he left his position as a wealthy prince to find in the sweltering heat of Bactria and elsewhere. He lived in caves and slept on the ground, and ate simple rations. Just think, why would he do that? Why not just relax in Sharm al Shayk or a palace in the Mediterranean? Why not enjoy the finest meals and a carefree life? Obviously there was an inner conviction that caused him to fight in Islam's name. His purpose was heartfelt, though he targeted the wrong people.

[Keronians]

We should celebrate the death of mass murderers.

Why?

[ArghNeedAName]

I agree with Andaluciae. I don't think Al Qaeda is any more dangerous than before. And they've been on the way out, they're an old story. The Arab Spring is the new story.

[Churchilland]

No, however hateful he may have been, the way the American troops treated his body after (no dirty thougts, PLEASE) was discraceful, shaving his beard off was an insult to others of his religion and the images of it are more than likely going to anger his supporters, and guess what, next year is the Olympics, if they'll target anything, it's very likely to be that.