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Postby Chinese Regions » Sat Jun 04, 2011 11:25 am

Some people already have, on the news people were waving flags outside the white-house celebrating the victory of killing Osama
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Postby Ceannairceach » Sat Jun 04, 2011 11:26 am

Norfsex wrote:Well, certainly. It is only proper to rejoice upon the death of your foe, knowing full well he have rejoiced slaying 3,000 of your people for no particular actions of theirs. It is revenge, and it should be enjoyed.

Because becoming what we hate is worth the momentary celebration.

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Postby Debateorg » Sat Jun 04, 2011 11:26 am

Chinese Regions wrote:Some people already have, on the news people were waving flags outside the white-house celebrating the victory of killing Osama


I know that I was just wondering why some people view that as wrong.

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Postby Ublakeistan » Sat Jun 04, 2011 11:26 am

No, all the american goverment did was kill a sickly old man.

Why celebrate that?

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Postby Existential_Nihilists » Sat Jun 04, 2011 11:27 am

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Existential_Nihilists wrote:Well, I don't know, but it's reported that we have also killed his replacement.

yeah i think they are going to stop talking about whoever is going to take over.

its bad for their health.


Ah, Yahoo and CNN changed it to "militant" now. It was "Osamas Replacement".

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Postby Neurotic Pandas » Sat Jun 04, 2011 11:27 am

Celebrate Osama Bin Laden his death? why? Do people honestly believe the death of some Saudi mad-man is worth celebrating?

... Then again, it might be just me and my entire "the Osama Bin Laden thing has grown way out of proportion" attitude.

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Postby Distruzio » Sat Jun 04, 2011 11:27 am

The Atlantean Menace wrote:Yes. Anyone who says no one's death should be celebrated is deluding themselves. The world really is a better place without some people, and Osama bin Laden was definitely one of them.


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Postby Tubbsalot » Sat Jun 04, 2011 11:34 am

Well it is pretty tasteless to break out the party balloons. A person died, there's some gravity about the situation which should be respected. But it's understandable that people would celebrate anyway. I never thought I'd say this, but TAI summed it up pretty neatly.
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Postby Milograd » Sat Jun 04, 2011 11:38 am

Yes, we should. It is a victory for the United States of America. His death signifies us becoming one step closer to victory against the terrorists.
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Postby Coccygia » Sat Jun 04, 2011 11:38 am

Al-Qaeda hates us already and always will until the last one of the basturds is DEAD! And as far as I'm concerned, every time a terrorist* dies, an angel gets his wings. But I don't feel all that celebratory personally, because this is not the end of terrorism by a long shot. Or even the end of the Afghan War, as some idiotspeople think. Getting Osama was not the ONLY reason we went in there; we need to ensure that it won't become a terrorist refuge again.


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Postby Norfsex » Sat Jun 04, 2011 11:42 am

Ceannairceach wrote:I'm against the celebrations, mainly because its inciting hatred from the remaining people of Al-Qaeda, and I don't like the idea of celebrating death. I find it reprehensible.


Unlike killing innocent civilians and celebrating or killing soldiers and celebrating, Usama was directly responsible for the terror attacks, and he was not willing to die for it himself.

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Postby Neurotic Pandas » Sat Jun 04, 2011 11:47 am

Coccygia wrote: But I don't feel all that celebratory personally, because this is not the end of terrorism by a long shot. Or even the end of the Afghan War, as some idiotspeople think. Getting Osama was not the ONLY reason we went in there; we need to ensure that it won't become a terrorist refuge again.


The problem in preventing Afghanistan from becoming a terrorist refuge is, atleast for a part, one of time. This is mainly because, at current rate, the US and their allies could easily be there for another one or two decades, and since most people in the western world are less than willing to commit to such timetables...

As far as ending terrorism goes, the "War on Terror" is effectively unwinnable, purely due to the fact that you will always have people willing to commit acts of terror, which makes the entire concept of declaring war on it kind of pointless.

But mweh, that is just what I think about it.

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Postby Strykla » Sat Jun 04, 2011 1:12 pm

Ceannairceach wrote:I'm against the celebrations, mainly because it's inciting hatred from the remaining people of Al-Qaeda, and I don't like the idea of celebrating death. I find it reprehensible.

Actually, I'm all for them. Of course it will make them mad; Killing Osama in the first place would make 'em mad. I see it like Halo on XBox Live: First you kill him, then you rub it in his(or his follower's) face(s), and say, "Suck it!" And making them mad is also a plus: If you want to kill someone because you hate them in every way, can you think straight? Usually the answer is no. So they'll go crazy trying to avenge his death and screw up. If not, we still have moar dakka.
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Postby Seleucas » Sun Jun 05, 2011 10:39 am

I don't think there is anything wrong about celebrating someone's death, because I do not think that all homo sapiens are equals, let alone that they all have dignity. There really is no difference in celebrating because you managed to kill the Tsavo man-eating lions or celebrating because you killed a mass-murderer. In fact, I would be much more inclined to celebrate the latter because the lions were simply acting on instinct, whereas the mass-murderer chose to commit his deeds.

That being said, I do not think killing OBL really changed that much, and I found all the flag-waving rather tacky.
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Postby Helghast empire » Sun Jun 05, 2011 10:46 am

it should be celebrated, he had his men kill about 3,000 so screw him, if i die and go to hell i hope i can shit on him if i see him.

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Postby Trollgaard » Sun Jun 05, 2011 10:49 am

Of course his death should have been celebrated! Osama was a symbol for us to hate, and terrorists to love. We got him, many years too late, but we got him. It was a stepping stone in the war on terror.

We also finally avenged the deaths of thousands of US lives. That sounds like reason to celebrate.

To all those who don't think we should: Why? Why do you not think the death of an enemy should celebrated and reveled in? I don't understand, and to be frank, look down my nose at such opinions.

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Postby Helghast empire » Sun Jun 05, 2011 10:50 am

Trollgaard wrote:Of course his death should have been celebrated! Osama was a symbol for us to hate, and terrorists to love. We got him, many years too late, but we got him. It was a stepping stone in the war on terror.

We also finally avenged the deaths of thousands of US lives. That sounds like reason to celebrate.

To all those who don't think we should: Why? Why do you not think the death of an enemy should celebrated and reveled in? I don't understand, and to be frank, look down my nose at such opinions.


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Postby EnragedMaldivians » Sun Jun 05, 2011 12:12 pm

Ceannairceach wrote:
Norfsex wrote:Well, certainly. It is only proper to rejoice upon the death of your foe, knowing full well he have rejoiced slaying 3,000 of your people for no particular actions of theirs. It is revenge, and it should be enjoyed.

Because becoming what we hate is worth the momentary celebration.


That's quite sanctimonious.

I don't see the need for jumping up and down and gleefully hopping around New York City; but I see nothing wrong with acknowledging some sort of satisfaction, even some momentary happiness, that a mass murderer, who killed innocent people, deliberately and without remorse, was killed. It certainly doesn't make you become what you hate.
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Postby Trollgaard » Sun Jun 05, 2011 12:17 pm

Fionnuala_Saoirse wrote:No. I could understand the loved ones of those killed or wounded in his attacks being pleased but the kind of celebrations that were seen following the reports of his death had a horrifically bloodthirsty feel to them that I would like to think, or rather that i'd hope, people could be above.


People are bloodthirsty.

And what do you hope people should be 'above'?

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Postby Trollgaard » Sun Jun 05, 2011 12:18 pm

Ceannairceach wrote:
Norfsex wrote:Well, certainly. It is only proper to rejoice upon the death of your foe, knowing full well he have rejoiced slaying 3,000 of your people for no particular actions of theirs. It is revenge, and it should be enjoyed.

Because becoming what we hate is worth the momentary celebration.


Becoming what we hate? That doesn't make any sense. You have some 'splainin to do.

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Postby Fionnuala_Saoirse » Sun Jun 05, 2011 12:28 pm

Trollgaard wrote:
Fionnuala_Saoirse wrote:No. I could understand the loved ones of those killed or wounded in his attacks being pleased but the kind of celebrations that were seen following the reports of his death had a horrifically bloodthirsty feel to them that I would like to think, or rather that i'd hope, people could be above.


People are bloodthirsty.


People can be dicks in a lot of ways. I like to aspire to better.

And what do you hope people should be 'above'?


Being bloodthirsty. You know just like the quoted says quite clearly.
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Postby Trollgaard » Sun Jun 05, 2011 12:39 pm

And why should people try to aspire to be better? Who decided that being bloodthirsty is bad? Would not being bloodthirsty be better? Why?

I'm sorry if this appears kinda dickish, but I don't believe people should, or honestly do, aspire to be 'better', as if people as they are now are awful or something. We are how we are, which is pretty damn similar to how we always have been, and probably similar to how we always will be. Certain aspects of people cannot be changed. They desire for vengeance is one of them. Sure, people go through the motions of claiming that they disagree with vengeance, but deep down if people honestly looked at how they feel they would acknowledge that the desire for blood and vengeance is buried deep inside under the false trappings of civility and so called modern beliefs. And it scares them to see that the animal is inside.

People should embrace emotion and passion and not suppress parts of themselves.

Humanity is not always pretty but it should be embraced. Not just portions that some people like, and others think should be changed, but humanity/human nature in its entirety. All the love, creativity, jealousy, hate, caring, etc parts of it. All of it.
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Postby Andaluciae » Sun Jun 05, 2011 12:40 pm

Fionnuala_Saoirse wrote:No. I could understand the loved ones of those killed or wounded in his attacks being pleased but the kind of celebrations that were seen following the reports of his death had a horrifically bloodthirsty feel to them that I would like to think, or rather that i'd hope, people could be above.



Bloodthirsty? Are you fucking kidding me? It was celebrated like a sporting event, i've of the main acceptable outlets for aggression and id driven behaviors. The way it was celebrated was the only way it could have, should have been celebrated.

If you're going to tut-tut and expect people to act like emotionless automatons, then your going to be sorely disappointed.
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Postby Fionnuala_Saoirse » Sun Jun 05, 2011 12:43 pm

Andaluciae wrote:If you're going to tut-tut and expect people to act like emotionless automatons, then your going to be sorely disappointed.


I don't expect them to act like emotionless automatons. I hope for them to resist the ugly emotional responses. Although it does make it easy to identify and avoid the twats I suppose.
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Postby Eboinland » Sun Jun 05, 2011 12:44 pm

When I heard he was dead, I woke up the entire block with an airhorn and celebrated for hours and hours. I put up a sign in my town saying "We got 'im, thatk the Navy SEALS!"... though if we has captured alive then I would want him executed humanely and not tourtured, he is dead. I'm glad, why should I not celebrate?

In fact, there should be a Goddamn Federal Holiday!
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