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Postby Vetalia » Tue Jun 07, 2011 7:12 pm

Trollgaard wrote:There is so much bs is this thread it makes me want to hurl my computer out the window.

To actually believe that we should not celebrate his death because it lowers us on some level is foolish. What level were we on in the first place? This is ridiculous. OBL was an enemy. Now he is dead. People celebrate the death/defeat of enemies.

Its a simple as that.


I honestly have to agree...there's a certain catharsis involved that is part of human nature, as much manifestation of relief as anything else.
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Postby Central Slavia » Tue Jun 07, 2011 7:29 pm

EnragedMaldivians wrote:
Central Slavia wrote:Justice IS a subset of revenge. Not all revenge is just - it has to be aimed at the perpetrator, not at people related to him somehow, but eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth is the definition of justice.


Except for the body count, of course. (just shows how idiotic the assertion is)
Regardless, i don't give a shit about "being as bad" - all i care about is that the bastard got what was coming for him.

America does kill loads of people, and i dislike it. However , that doesn't make this raghead any better. At worst, *both* parties are behaving in a terroristic manner, while your statement implies that Usama was somehow less so



Who cares? If to destroy what i hate i have to become like it, well so be it.


I guessed you missed all the posts I made that defended American hegemony. You know, the ones you responded to. :roll:

On this page. :roll:

And the fact that I've continuously argued that there's nothing wrong with celebrating Osama's death. Given that context, was it that hard to discern that my post was sarcastic in nature, and that I was annoyed that people were expressing such sentiments?


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To be honest it's quite a few days i read the beginning of the thread, besides , most of my mind is now occupied with studying for exams.
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Postby Caninope » Wed Jun 08, 2011 7:26 pm

Central Slavia wrote:*snip*

I'm pretty sure it would be best for you to stop using derogatory words for Muslims. I'm not very politically correct, but that doesn't excuse someone from using something traditionally recognized as an insult.[/notamod]
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Postby Joeykickdoors » Wed Jun 08, 2011 7:29 pm

When I heard Osama had been killed, I wouldn't say I was happy or sad. My reaction was more like "oh, okay". His death doesn't really solve, accomplish, or stop anything. A lot of people called it a victory, I feel otherwise. Somebody else will just take his place and when they're killed, somebody else will take their place and so on. Hate will always thrive.

Some may call it a cynical point of view, I call it being in touch with reality.
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Postby EnragedMaldivians » Wed Jun 08, 2011 7:40 pm

Joeykickdoors wrote:When I heard Osama had been killed, I wouldn't say I was happy or sad. My reaction was more like "oh, okay". His death doesn't really solve, accomplish, or stop anything. A lot of people called it a victory, I feel otherwise. Somebody else will just take his place and when they're killed, somebody else will take their place and so on. Hate will always thrive.

Some may call it a cynical point of view, I call it being in touch with reality.


Somehow celebrating his death puts you out of touch with reality?

Bin Laden isn't as easily replacable to Al Qaeda as you imply; it's a diffuse organization that was formerly centred around a charismatic figurehead. The demise of that charismatic figurehead could very well adversely effect the overall organization.

Here is Fareed Zakaria's take, if you're interested.
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Postby Central Slavia » Wed Jun 08, 2011 9:58 pm

Caninope wrote:
Central Slavia wrote:*snip*

I'm pretty sure it would be best for you to stop using derogatory words for Muslims. I'm not very politically correct, but that doesn't excuse someone from using something traditionally recognized as an insult.[/notamod]


Indeed it is... and there's no reason to refer to the bunch of fanatics that fought jihad against Karmal's government (and then continued as al-kaida) in other ways than insulting.
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You would be wrong. There's something wrong with the Americans, the Japanese are actually insane, the Chinese don't seem capable of free-thought and just defer judgement to the most powerful strong man, the Russians are quite like that, only more aggressive and mad, and Belarus? Hah.

Omnicracy wrote:The Soviet Union did not support pro-Soviet governments, it compleatly controled them. The U.S. did not controle the corrupt regiems it set up against the Soviet Union, it just sugested things and changed leaders if they weer not takeing enough sugestions

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Postby Caninope » Wed Jun 08, 2011 11:04 pm

Central Slavia wrote:
Caninope wrote:I'm pretty sure it would be best for you to stop using derogatory words for Muslims. I'm not very politically correct, but that doesn't excuse someone from using something traditionally recognized as an insult.[/notamod]


Indeed it is... and there's no reason to refer to the bunch of fanatics that fought jihad against Karmal's government (and then continued as al-kaida) in other ways than insulting.

Yes there is. That's equivalent to me using racial slurs for all blacks because there have been a few militant blacks in American history.
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Postby Central Slavia » Thu Jun 09, 2011 8:48 am

Caninope wrote:
Central Slavia wrote:
Indeed it is... and there's no reason to refer to the bunch of fanatics that fought jihad against Karmal's government (and then continued as al-kaida) in other ways than insulting.

Yes there is. That's equivalent to me using racial slurs for all blacks because there have been a few militant blacks in American history.


No, that's the equivalent of shouting a racial slur to a particular black that pisses you off.

In the same way i don't call sensible muslims, (like Islamic Hazarastan here) that, just those i dislike.
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You would be wrong. There's something wrong with the Americans, the Japanese are actually insane, the Chinese don't seem capable of free-thought and just defer judgement to the most powerful strong man, the Russians are quite like that, only more aggressive and mad, and Belarus? Hah.

Omnicracy wrote:The Soviet Union did not support pro-Soviet governments, it compleatly controled them. The U.S. did not controle the corrupt regiems it set up against the Soviet Union, it just sugested things and changed leaders if they weer not takeing enough sugestions

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Postby Brandenburg-Altmark » Thu Jun 09, 2011 8:51 am

I don't think giving Osama the amount of publicity he got was worth the cheap satisfaction it gave some. Ideally he should have been captured, tried and then imprisoned for the rest of his life and never talked about again. In the same fashion I believe we should have simply rebuilt the World Trade Center buildings that were destroyed and acted like it was no big deal. The terrorists thrive on attention, and any sense of hurt or strong feelings proves to them they are effective.
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Postby Vecherd » Thu Jun 09, 2011 10:49 am

Since I'm not a moralist I believe this is up to every person to decided for themselves. Personally I dont have an interest in celebrating his death, but I think it is a strike for freedom though.
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