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Postby Risottia » Sat Jun 04, 2011 8:45 am

Wilgrove wrote:So someone cuts out about 900lbs of railroad tracks, and my first question is....why? I mean assuming that druggies have done this, who are they going to sell it to?

Not a druggies' job.

This is just....baffling....

Similar things happen here quite often, since about 10 years. The thieves focus expecially on the signalling wires, but on occasions they've stolen the guard-rails from the pavements of a whole city block.
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Postby The Corparation » Sat Jun 04, 2011 11:46 am

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Cannot think of a name wrote:I would have thought that the train system would have a way of telling if rails were missing ahead of time...but then, I guess I really wouldn't know how that would work. Sending signals along the rails? I don't know, I'm just the idea man...


Maybe they didn't think anyone would be stupid enough to try and steal a 900lb piece of steel from a railway line?

The only stupid bit is that:
1) Steel isn't a big seller for scrapyards
2)They left one piece behind.
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Postby Demen » Sat Jun 04, 2011 11:50 am

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CSX train derails; Taunton police investigate theft of railroad tracks

By CHARLES WINOKOOR
Staff Writer
Posted Jun 01, 2011 @ 04:22 PM
Last update Jun 01, 2011 @ 11:43 PM

Taunton —

A CSX railroad engine en route to a delivery in Taunton’s Myles Standish Industrial Park derailed Wednesday afternoon after thieves cut away two 8-foot sections of solid steel track, authorities said.

No one was injured as a result of the incident, which observers on scene said ranks as the most audacious example of metal theft in recent memory.

“It stopped a little too late and derailed — it just dropped down on both sides,” CSX trainmaster Mark Smith said of the four-axle GP40 engine that was pulling two cars and a rear engine.

The engine’s front wheels landed astride the tracks, but neither it nor the other engine and two cars, tipped over. The rear engine, with the two cars in tow, by late Wednesday managed to pull away, leaving the front engine mired in the dirt among shards of shattered railroad ties.

Smith, 52, said the slow-moving train derailed at 1:30 p.m. as the two-man crew was delivering goods to Agar Supply, a foodservice distributor located at 225 John Hancock Road.

Three hours after the derailment, Smith said it would be sometime in the evening before the engine could be lifted back onto the tracks.

He also estimated it would take two to four days for the gap in the rail to be filled and for a damaged section of bent rail to be repaired.

Smith and others who responded and assessed the damage were uniformly incredulous that anyone would even consider such a foolhardy act.

“Idiots,” Smith, 52, said of whoever used a welding torch to cut away the steel rail.
“They have no regard for anyone’s safety. Imagine if it punctured a fuel tank or if it was hazmat (hazardous material),” he said.

Evidence suggests the thieves — railroad personnel said it would have taken two or more people to lift each 900-pound segment — were cutting away another portion when they decided to flee.

A section of rail directly behind the front engine had been cut through. And although the thieves managed to get away with one piece of steel, they left a second piece on the ground some 200 feet from where it had been filched.

Smith said he had never come across a similar incident during his 18 years as a railroad professional.

Mark Achorn, who identified himself as CSX “wreck master,” said much the same.
Achorn, 59, said he has worked in the railroad industry for 37 years and that he’s accustomed to the occasional call about weather-related rail damage, but never one due to outright theft.

“Who in their right mind would actually do something like that?” he said.

Achorn said it would require an outside contractor with specialized equipment to lift the engine back onto the existing rail.

Taunton Police Chief Edward Walsh said he has a good idea as to the thieves’ motivation.
“I’m not really surprised. It just shows you people do desperate things to get drug money,” Walsh said, reiterating statements he made to the Taunton Daily Gazette last week during an interview about the rising tide of copper and metal theft throughout the Silver City.
Walsh acknowledged that Taunton detectives were investigating the incident but was not able to confirm if any other law enforcement agency was involved.

By late afternoon, however, at least one CSX Transportation railroad police officer had shown up. The officer, armed with a sidearm, took photos of the scene but declined to comment.

Walsh said due to the unwieldy nature of the steel rails, he suspects the thieves probably did not intend bringing it directly to a scrap yard, but instead likely have the means to melt it down themselves.

The stretch of rail on which the ill-fated engine was traveling is owned by the Taunton Development Corporation, the nonprofit that develops and markets what is considered one of the Bay State’s premier industrial parks.

TDC director Dick Shafer said he expects Agar Supply and the TDC will be having a “heart to heart” discussion to decide how much each party is liable for paying to repair the damage to the rail line.

Shafer also said it’s reasonable to assume security measures will have to be improved in the park.

“I think it’s a sign of the times,” Shafer said. “People are desperate, and theft of metal is big right now.”

The rail line where the engine derailed also is adjacent to land the city has bought in anticipation of building a trash-to-energy facility that would replace the municipal landfill.
Joe De Angelis, owner of De Angelis Railroad Contractors, the Worcester company hired by Agar to perform general maintenance of the rail line, reacted emotionally when he first caught sight of the damage.

“I can not (expletive) believe it,” he kept repeating. “This is ridiculous.”

De Angelis, 56, said what turned out to be an extreme inconvenience in other circumstances could have been “a major disaster.”

He noted that an engine becoming derailed can hit telephone poles and power lines. He also said he dreads to imagine the repercussions a similar act of sabotage could have on a “main line” rail service, such as Amtrak or the MBTA.

De Angelis also noted that a piece of rail, more than 100 feet away, had buckled and torn away from its moorings because of the intense pressure released when the thieves cut through the steel.

“When they cut through they must have got the shock of their lives,” he said.

Joe Enos, owner of Enos Metals on Dana Street in Taunton, said his scarp yard doesn’t pay for steel, but yards that do are paying only 12 to 15 cents per pound.

Enos, 77, said his late father years ago taught him a reputable scrap metal yard never buys railroad iron.

“That’s always a no-no,” because of the likelihood of it being stolen, Enos said. “I don’t know who would buy it.”

He called this week’s rail theft “horrendous” and said he dreaded to consider the consequences of a slightly different scenario.

“What if it was a train going 100 miles per hour? You could have a lot of people killed,” Enos said.


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So someone cuts out about 900lbs of railroad tracks, and my first question is....why? I mean assuming that druggies have done this, who are they going to sell it to? Are drug dealers now taking payments in form of steel? Also, how are they going to melt it down themselves, steel has a melting point of 2500°F, so unless someone has a smelting plant in their backyard....

This is just....baffling....

Does anyone remember those mini railroad sets from when we were kids? Well, look what I have here...


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Postby Seperate Vermont » Sat Jun 04, 2011 11:56 am

Idiots. What can be next on the list of seemingly random items to steal and make a buck off of?
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Postby Syvorji » Sat Jun 04, 2011 11:59 am

If it had chemicals, the USA would let them go. But, if it didn't, send 'em to the DPRK, or at least "execute" them in the USA, since they have no crime system.

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Postby Indeos » Sat Jun 04, 2011 12:01 pm

Seperate Vermont wrote:Idiots. What can be next on the list of seemingly random items to steal and make a buck off of?


I don't know, but I'd love to hear it. Maybe someone's mustache, or Chuck Norris' beard.
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Postby Dyakovo » Sat Jun 04, 2011 12:02 pm

The Corparation wrote:
Ramalet wrote:
Maybe they didn't think anyone would be stupid enough to try and steal a 900lb piece of steel from a railway line?

The only stupid bit is that:
1) Steel isn't a big seller for scrapyards
2)They left one piece behind.

How is #2 stupid?
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Postby Shout To The Lord » Sat Jun 04, 2011 12:12 pm

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Postby Nightkill the Emperor » Sat Jun 04, 2011 2:51 pm

Indeos wrote:
Seperate Vermont wrote:Idiots. What can be next on the list of seemingly random items to steal and make a buck off of?


I don't know, but I'd love to hear it. Maybe someone's mustache, or Chuck Norris' beard.

How stupid are they?
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Postby Indeos » Sat Jun 04, 2011 9:01 pm

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Indeos wrote:
I don't know, but I'd love to hear it. Maybe someone's mustache, or Chuck Norris' beard.

How stupid are they?


The thieves or the thefts?
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Postby Brandenburg-Altmark » Sat Jun 04, 2011 10:22 pm

Hilarious how they spend all these millions of dollars putting down railroad tracks and don't have the slightest bit of security. Oh, they expect the state to guard their property for them while they also work to not pay their share?
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Postby Wilgrove » Sat Jun 04, 2011 10:42 pm

Seperate Vermont wrote:Idiots. What can be next on the list of seemingly random items to steal and make a buck off of?


Nuclear warhead from Russia?

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Postby Wilgrove » Sat Jun 04, 2011 10:43 pm

Brandenburg-Altmark wrote:Hilarious how they spend all these millions of dollars putting down railroad tracks and don't have the slightest bit of security. Oh, they expect the state to guard their property for them while they also work to not pay their share?


LOLWUT? You do realize that most class 1 railroad companies, like CSX, Union Pacific, Norfolk Southern, etc. actually have their own police force, right? Also, railroad lines are private property, and should be treated as such. Third and finally, 99% of the railroad lines in the USA were paid for by the same private railroad companies.
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Postby The Corparation » Sat Jun 04, 2011 10:44 pm

Dyakovo wrote:
The Corparation wrote:The only stupid bit is that:
1) Steel isn't a big seller for scrapyards
2)They left one piece behind.

How is #2 stupid?

They went through the effort of cutting it out and hauling it 200ft, they easily could of dragged it as far as the first one.
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Postby Cameroi » Sat Jun 04, 2011 10:47 pm

it may have been more about politics then money. as pointed that would have been a hell of a lot of work involved. a lot more then it would have taken legitimately to earn as much or more than any probable resale value of a chunk of rail. as for novelty as a motivation, i can see someone thinking that, until they realized just how much work would be envolved in finishing what they were doing, once they had actually started doing so. from the description it sounds like the made five cuts as well as removing to sections of rail which as pointed out also involved unspiking them AND LIFTING them. sections that short probably could be handled by two men. just barely. and a couple of pretty husky guys at that. there are a lot of people who don't like railroads for a lot of mostly stupid reasons. some of which involving other vested economic interests. industrial sabotage seems a LOT more likely then a couple of husky college kids pulling a prank on a par with truck bowling or the building of stonehenge. since this is an industrial siding, the rail was probably in 38' sections that could have been unbolted at the four hole angle bars at each end. although that would have required ether lifting equipment or more then two perps. nothing in the article rules out both could very well have been present at the time the act was committed. a flat bed with a stinger could be rented at an eaquipment rental place in the region. as for actually cutting the rail, i don't believe this would have been quicker then unbolting it, though it did result in shorter more managable sections. the fact that they removed rail from both sides in the same place suggest to me that they HAD considered safety issues, and this further suggests an act committed by several persons with the specific intention of disabling the spur and perhaps only incidentally the equipment. a competing truck company wanting all the grocery warehouse's bussiness perhaps. and or something of the sort, with very like political and or organized crime connections.
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Postby Dyakovo » Sun Jun 05, 2011 7:00 am

The Corparation wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:How is #2 stupid?

They went through the effort of cutting it out and hauling it 200ft, they easily could of dragged it as far as the first one.

Unless, of course, they noticed someone coming and realizing that they were doing something illegal thought it was better to leave it than get caught... In other words, not stupid at all...
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