How many of you are Atheists? What about Theists?

[Dyakovo]

What records? Contemporaneous records? Source for those, please?

Um, its a historical nessecity. Maybe if they haden't put him on trial, they could have suffled him under a rug, but the Romans had a complex legal system. All major trials where recorded, and hence the trial of Jesus was too. Granted, I can't site a specific place to find that specific trial (probebly because its in a museum somewhere, or lost, and I don't have all day), but I DO know the Romans kept records of their trials. So, at some point at least, they had a record of it.

And I understand the Bible can be a decent historical chart, but concidering the various supernatural causes it attributes to events, we should take the accuracy with a grade of salt, espcially since we don't even have the whole thing anymore (Thank the Church, they coulden't even trust their own book)

So you don't have a source... You just have an assumption.

[Dyakovo]

Actually, there is no evidence for Jesus outside of the Biblical texts. The claim that Jesus has more archaeological evidence for his existence than Caesar is just PR spin. It's factually incorrect.

Yes there is.¹ Ever checked the sensus during that time. And besides that a few Roman Scholars talk about him Pilny the Younger² is one.

1: Provide it then.
2: I assume you meant Pliny the Younger... He wasn't born until after Yeshua supposedly died, so not contemporary... Also, source for him talking about the existence of Yeshua...

[Dyakovo]

Who are you calling "ordinary," kohai-san?

Okay, probably wrong term.

I meant "a human" like you and me, Senpai-san.

We're supposed to believe you're human?

[Dyakovo]

worships the Greek goddess Hecate.

No you don't.

Wow, Hydes, you're Underium?

[Dyakovo]

Jesus existed and there is proof but you're just denying it.

Then you should have no trouble providing that proof...

[Dyakovo]

I don't believe in God, so I guess I'm an Atheist.

Not believing in the christian god does not equate to atheism... There are lots of other religions out there.

[Dyakovo]

Ignostic. I'm still considering how to vote.

If you're ignostic then you don't believe in any gods, therefore atheist.

[Dyakovo]

I submitted myself as Atheist, but I am not quite. I am Satanist, in the LeVey form. I believe in the fantasy of magic, while accepting that religion is evil and that modern advancements allow me to better understand life as it really is.

LaVeyan satanists are atheists...

[Dyakovo]

The burden of proof lies with atheism¹ (which is like a religion in it's dogma²) because more people are theists than not³. Can something just come from nothing?⁴

1: No, it doesn't. It lies with the ones making the positive claim, not the one that makes no claim at all.
2: Atheism has no dogma.
3: Ad populum fallacy
4: So who/what created 'God'?

[Dyakovo]

Now that's just a depressing way to think about it.

let me rephrase my question: what do you think will happen to your soul after you die?

Nothing. I don't believe souls exist.

[Samuraikoku]

Okay, probably wrong term.

I meant "a human" like you and me, Senpai-san.

We're supposed to believe you're human?

How would you define me then, my friend?

[Dyakovo]

Your logic is flawed and insulting then.

Not from my perspective. If we came into being by chance, without anything spurring the creation, then what purpose could we truly have?

Whatever purpose you chose for your life to have.

[Dyakovo]

You don't have free will or something? You let someone else create your purpose for you? How unimaginative. I, however, create my own purpose in life.

How do you justify your purpose, then? By your morals? Without divine presence, how do you justify your morals? Without the existance of a supreme being, such things cannot truly exist.

As usual you're just spouting bullshit...

[Norstal]

Dyakovo: K-K-K-K-K-KILLING SPREE!

[Samuraikoku]

Dyakovo: K-K-K-K-K-KILLING SPREE!

Yeah, that was impressive. LOL

[Dyakovo]

After doing it for twelve years, I am damn tired of it.


That does not mean I live in a turtle shell. It means I let something else worry about what is right and wrong, and I do whatever the fuck I please. Just because I believe in a supreme being doesn't mean I personally adhere to any morals or ethics.

And thus why you shouldn't interject on a conversation without knowing the story behind what the other guy said.

Just out of curiosity though, what is your career if it involves math?

He has no career. He's a school kid.

[Dyakovo]

Subtle.

Also, what Parkus said.

I view constantly having to learn as a failure, not constantly learning. Having to learn and adapt means you are not perfect, and therefor are failure.

Have fun remaining ignorant.

[Norstal]

And thus why you shouldn't interject on a conversation without knowing the story behind what the other guy said.

Just out of curiosity though, what is your career if it involves math?

He has no career. He's a school kid.

That's what I thought as well. "12 years" of studying math is nothing compared to one year of college calculus/abstract math.

[Vellosia]

He has no career. He's a school kid.

That's what I thought as well. "12 years" of studying math is nothing compared to one year of college calculus/abstract math.

School maths is easy. Post-16 maths is far more interesting.

[Dyakovo]

I believe that it is silly to devote your life to a supreme being that may or may not exist. I respect those that believe in the Bible, Torah, Koran or any other religious texts, but what we believe has no effect on what is true. If we live our lives the best we can according to our own views, not according to a book, then we have done all we can in this life. If the being that does exist is indeed Omniscient like everyone says, then he will understand and appreciate that we lived our lives pleasing ourselves.

Why do (Usually American) people keep spelling qur'an wrong?

Both Qur'an and Koran are valid transliterations of القرآن‎.

[Roman Templars]

Dyakovo: K-K-K-K-K-KILLING SPREE!

Yeah, that was impressive. LOL

impressive my ass that was butt f**k annoying like a little kid that won't shut the hell up just because he didn't get his damn cookie.

[Samuraikoku]

He has no career. He's a school kid.

That's what I thought as well. "12 years" of studying math is nothing compared to one year of college calculus/abstract math.

There's a reason why I chose to go to law school, you know.

[Samuraikoku]

Yeah, that was impressive. LOL

impressive my ass that was butt f**k annoying like a little kid that won't shut the hell up just because he didn't get his damn cookie.

Okay, no need to get mad.

[Dyakovo]

We're supposed to believe you're human?

How would you define me then, my friend?

[Dyakovo]

Dyakovo: K-K-K-K-K-KILLING SPREE!

Yeah, that was impressive. LOL

Heh... I love playing catch-up at times...