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How many of you are Atheists? What about Theists?

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Are you Atheist? or Theist?

Atheist
274
49%
Agnostic
87
16%
Theist- Christian
138
25%
Theist- Muslim
8
1%
Theist- Buddhist
4
1%
Theist- Wicca
5
1%
Theist- Hindu
3
1%
Theist- Other, please post what specifically thank you.
38
7%
 
Total votes : 557

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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Fri Jun 03, 2011 2:19 pm

Samuraikoku wrote:
Bluth Corporation wrote:Essentially, the very meaning of the word "Christ." Let's remember that the epithet "Christ" is derived from the Koine khristos, meaning "anointed one" or "savior."

Now, a Christian is one who follows someone or something which can properly be termed "Christ," and so if someone or something is to be termed "Christ" then he/she/it must have some attribute that makes him "anointed" or our "savior." So what is it about Jesus of Nazareth, the Christ (again, the ideal that may correspond more or less to the historical person, if--as is quite likely--such a person even existed), that makes him "anointed" or our "savior"? Acolytes of the cult of Jesus and Jehovah will tell you that it is his status as the supposed son of god. But (to repeat what I said above) Jesus lived and worked in the real world, and the existence of a god is incompatible with the real world--and if there is no god, then it is impossible for someone to be the son of a god. So we must look elsewhere for what is special about him.

I submit that it is his teachings that make him our "savior" and therefore the Christ. By teaching us how to live with one another, how to get along with another, he literally showed us how to avoid destroying ourselves. Thus, it is the teachings rather than the person that are the essential part of Christianity; we discover what those teachings are through the process I described above; and someone who follows and focuses on those teachings, rather than the corruption promoted by an uncritical reading of the New Testament or on the person of Jesus himself, that can properly be called a "Christian."


And where do you find the teachings? In the New Testament. Which renders your theory null.


How do you find the correct teachings amongst the nonsense? You wear your augmented reality truth-detecting cyberglasses, moron.
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Postby Kuzoon » Fri Jun 03, 2011 2:24 pm

im an atheist and the reason, why is that once i was in church (i was Christian) and i thought to myself "what a load of sh*t this is"

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Postby Zairoon » Fri Jun 03, 2011 2:26 pm

Atheist, but my family are Buddhist so Buddhist philosophy still influences me greatly.
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Postby Norstal » Fri Jun 03, 2011 2:27 pm

Dumb Ideologies wrote:How do you find the correct teachings amongst the nonsense? You wear your augmented reality truth-detecting cyberglasses, moron.

They discontinued production after they found out it mythically altered the laws of physics.
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Postby Norstal » Fri Jun 03, 2011 2:28 pm

Buffett and Colbert wrote:
To be quite honest, I feel bad about mocking him because his interpretation does make a lot of sense. My only concern is what the criteria for stripping "inconsistencies" are, and whether you lose quite a few teachings by ignoring the miracles and other "magical" occurrences in the Bible, since many nuggets of wisdom are conveyed through those fantastic stories.

However, I do think saying "I am a Christian, therefore I am an atheist" is still not appropriate. One interpretation of the Christianity does not render the rest irrelevant or incorrect.

Of course, Bluth's interpretation makes much more sense than the Christians's. What he needs to face however, is that mainstream Christians > him and that when people mention Christians, they meant Christians who believe in a god. Not atheistic Christians.
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Fri Jun 03, 2011 2:29 pm

Norstal wrote:
Dumb Ideologies wrote:How do you find the correct teachings amongst the nonsense? You wear your augmented reality truth-detecting cyberglasses, moron.

They discontinued production after they found out it mythically altered the laws of physics.


That was the cover story. My understanding from the historical documents is that when the cyberglasses crashed users found themselves transported to a barren world and transformed entirely into data. Those 1s and 0s were so angry they couldn't be reasoned with. In the end the kindest thing was to put them into the recycle bin.
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Postby Pittsborough » Fri Jun 03, 2011 2:30 pm

Athiest!
Why? Because I can follow good morals, have a fulfilled life and spend my life helping others, without being told I have to do so by a book, or some outdated and often discriminatory old men.
Religion is outdated. Its only value to society is to help people have a reason to be kind to others, but it even fails at that - I could rant about homophobia, sexism, etc, but I assume you all know the aguments I'd present.
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Postby Braaainsss » Fri Jun 03, 2011 2:42 pm

Buffett and Colbert wrote:To be quite honest, I feel bad about mocking him because his interpretation does make a lot of sense. My only concern is what the criteria for stripping "inconsistencies" are, and whether you lose quite a few teachings by ignoring the miracles and other "magical" occurrences in the Bible, since many nuggets of wisdom are conveyed through those fantastic stories.

However, I do think saying "I am a Christian, therefore I am an atheist" is still not appropriate. One interpretation of the Christianity does not render the rest irrelevant or incorrect.


The Phillip Pullman novel was pretty good.

Really the problem is that if your use of a word requires extensive explanation to avoid misunderstanding, you're better off not using it to begin with.

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Postby Unilisia » Fri Jun 03, 2011 2:54 pm

Hallistar wrote:
Unilisia wrote:Atheist, always have been.


Heyyyyy you're that person that I was told my previous flag looked exactly the same like

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Umm, fine ?
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Postby Unhealthy2 » Fri Jun 03, 2011 3:46 pm

UCUMAY wrote:I'm theist and different Gods/Goddess appeal to me at different times. For Magick I use straight energy work, or the Egyptian pantheon.


What does "energy work" mean? You manipulate the quantity measuring the capacity of a system to do work?
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Postby Unhealthy2 » Fri Jun 03, 2011 3:47 pm

Determinism and metaphysical naturalism.
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Postby Ifreann » Fri Jun 03, 2011 3:53 pm

Unhealthy2 wrote:
UCUMAY wrote:I'm theist and different Gods/Goddess appeal to me at different times. For Magick I use straight energy work, or the Egyptian pantheon.


What does "energy work" mean? You manipulate the quantity measuring the capacity of a system to do work?

You two are going to get on like a house on fire. You may even have to reconsider swearing off sex.

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Postby Romanatzi » Fri Jun 03, 2011 4:42 pm

There's no agnostic atheist option there.
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Postby Samuraikoku » Fri Jun 03, 2011 5:12 pm

Dumb Ideologies wrote:How do you find the correct teachings amongst the nonsense? You wear your augmented reality truth-detecting cyberglasses, moron.


I don't know, never paid much attention to the Bible. I'm an atheist after all.

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Postby Ifreann » Fri Jun 03, 2011 5:17 pm

Samuraikoku wrote:
Dumb Ideologies wrote:How do you find the correct teachings amongst the nonsense? You wear your augmented reality truth-detecting cyberglasses, moron.


I don't know, never paid much attention to the Bible. I'm an atheist after all.

I've read more of the Bible as an atheist than I ever did as a theist.

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How many of you are Atheists? What about Theists?

Postby Parhe » Fri Jun 03, 2011 6:07 pm

i am a Christian, mostly because I was born into it. But I don't think common Christianity is correct, I believe its is flawed and distorted from what it really was meant be. The bible is also greatly flawed, there are way too much contradictions.
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Postby Prometheos » Fri Jun 03, 2011 6:15 pm

SimVillia wrote::palm: Judaism didn't get a place, but Wicca did?

I know, right? :meh:
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Postby Underium » Fri Jun 03, 2011 6:46 pm

Prometheos wrote:
SimVillia wrote::palm: Judaism didn't get a place, but Wicca did?

I know, right? :meh:

Sorry, but I have a question, do Jews believe in jesus?

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Postby Norstal » Fri Jun 03, 2011 6:47 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Unhealthy2 wrote:
What does "energy work" mean? You manipulate the quantity measuring the capacity of a system to do work?

You two are going to get on like a house on fire. You may even have to reconsider swearing off sex.

UH2 is swearing off sex.
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Postby Ceannairceach » Fri Jun 03, 2011 6:47 pm

Underium wrote:
Prometheos wrote:I know, right? :meh:

Sorry, but I have a question, do Jews believe in jesus?

As the son of God? No. As a preacher who may or may not have lived? Yes.

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Postby Threlizdun » Fri Jun 03, 2011 6:50 pm

I currently identify as a pantheist, though I am philosophically an agnostic humanist.
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Postby Samuraikoku » Fri Jun 03, 2011 6:51 pm

Ifreann wrote:I've read more of the Bible as an atheist than I ever did as a theist.


I traded my Bible for Dragon Ball. No regrets.

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Postby Copenhagen Metropolis » Fri Jun 03, 2011 6:51 pm

Bluth Corporation wrote:
Samuraikoku wrote:Christians believe in God.

They don't.


I think it's safe to say that most do.

Now, are you done with your weird, trying-to-be-controversial, self-made definitions already?

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Postby Lowenmahne » Fri Jun 03, 2011 7:00 pm

it's worth noting that, in addition to the reasons for being an atheist that i posted a while back, the use of religions has largely declined because their purpose has been taken over by other people (therapists, clubs, other social gather places). there's really no need for a religion anymore - you can get everything you did from already existing sources.
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Postby Kaninov » Fri Jun 03, 2011 7:04 pm

I am a theist And a Catholic (i know, a Catholic Communist, Weird :? ), which the reason would be the only Conservative thing about me: i was Born and Raised by Catholics, and i will stay Catholic.
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