How many of you are Atheists? What about Theists?

[Dog Bole]

It is so repeatative. Doing a fun thing over and over again makes it less fun.

Funny, because I can say the same thing about your beliefs. But no, one can never get tired of math.

After doing it for twelve years, I am damn tired of it.

And who said I live in a turtle shell because I believe in a supreme being?

You clearly need a supreme being to dictate you.

That does not mean I live in a turtle shell. It means I let something else worry about what is right and wrong, and I do whatever the fuck I please. Just because I believe in a supreme being doesn't mean I personally adhere to any morals or ethics.

[Pinewald]

Theist.
But I vow to never ram it down any ones throat, you don't even need to read this, lol. I respect both sides of this issue.

Catholic-Christian.

I tried Atheism, it made me feel empty and more alone than ever before. An example of a Catholic saying- "God be with you, and with me." Something about it sounds like, "May the Force be with you."!

Heh, I was a Catholic de-converted into an atheist because I didn't like being dictated by someone or something I can't even see.

I respect your point, anyone +2020 years old or so to of even seen the birth of Christ? Maybe some of the guys at work might be, lol.

There's a collective love I feel being privately Catholic, I need that support. My Dental Assisting friend who knew I was studying her field at the time is a mother who let me study at her house and have dinner with her family is Catholic, and active enough to go church, and has a wonderfully great personality, I'd marry her if she wasn't already and if I had a career already as well. Not many women are like her anymore due to so many problems in the US.

[Norstal]

Funny, because I can say the same thing about your beliefs. But no, one can never get tired of math.

After doing it for twelve years, I am damn tired of it.

You clearly need a supreme being to dictate you.

That does not mean I live in a turtle shell. It means I let something else worry about what is right and wrong, and I do whatever the fuck I please. Just because I believe in a supreme being doesn't mean I personally adhere to any morals or ethics.

And thus why you shouldn't interject on a conversation without knowing the story behind what the other guy said.

Just out of curiosity though, what is your career if it involves math?

[Dog Bole]

After doing it for twelve years, I am damn tired of it.


That does not mean I live in a turtle shell. It means I let something else worry about what is right and wrong, and I do whatever the fuck I please. Just because I believe in a supreme being doesn't mean I personally adhere to any morals or ethics.

And thus why you shouldn't interject on a conversation without knowing the story behind what the other guy said.

Just out of curiosity though, what is your career if it involves math?

Because I am the other guy. See sig.

And I would quit that career and find one I like better.

[Norstal]

And thus why you shouldn't interject on a conversation without knowing the story behind what the other guy said.

Just out of curiosity though, what is your career if it involves math?

Because I am the other guy. See sig.

And I would quit that career and find one I like better.

Subtle.

Also, what Parkus said.

You live in a turtle shell because you see constant learning as failure.

[Norstal]

Heh, I was a Catholic de-converted into an atheist because I didn't like being dictated by someone or something I can't even see.

I respect your point, anyone +2020 years old or so to of even seen the birth of Christ? Maybe some of the guys at work might be, lol.

There's a collective love I feel being privately Catholic, I need that support. My Dental Assisting friend who knew I was studying her field at the time is a mother who let me study at her house and have dinner with her family is Catholic, and active enough to go church, and has a wonderfully great personality, I'd marry her if she wasn't already and if I had a career already as well. Not many women are like her anymore due to so many problems in the US.

That is fake love however. You're not actually being loved by anyone, because the love is forced. It's like being an ant and the priest is the colony's queen. It's just not right for me.

[Dog Bole]

Because I am the other guy. See sig.

And I would quit that career and find one I like better.

Subtle.

Also, what Parkus said.

You live in a turtle shell because you see constant learning as failure.

I view constantly having to learn as a failure, not constantly learning. Having to learn and adapt means you are not perfect, and therefor are failure.

[Norstal]

Subtle.

Also, what Parkus said.

I view constantly having to learn as a failure, not constantly learning. Having to learn and adapt means you are not perfect, and therefor are failure.

I have the sudden urge to repeatedly hit my head against a brick wall.

[Dog Bole]

I view constantly having to learn as a failure, not constantly learning. Having to learn and adapt means you are not perfect, and therefor are failure.

I have the sudden urge to repeatedly hit my head against a brick wall.

Have fun with that. Eventually you will realize that I don't look at reality the same way most people do, and maybe then will learn how to debate with me.

[Grave_n_idle]

I have the sudden urge to repeatedly hit my head against a brick wall.

Have fun with that. Eventually you will realize that I don't look at reality the same way most people do, and maybe then will learn how to debate with me.

Could happen. And I could type all my posts in reverse order, and people could learn to debate with me.

Or maybe they'd just give it up as a bad deal, and figure they could spend their time more productively.

Just sayin'.

[Norstal]

I have the sudden urge to repeatedly hit my head against a brick wall.

Have fun with that. Eventually you will realize that I don't look at reality the same way most people do, and maybe then will learn how to debate with me.

"I don't want to learn anything and therefore I won't change" is an incredibly inept way for a believe system and an ignorance fallacy.

[Dog Bole]

Have fun with that. Eventually you will realize that I don't look at reality the same way most people do, and maybe then will learn how to debate with me.

"I don't want to learn anything and therefore I won't change" is an incredibly inept way for a believe system and an ignorance fallacy.

Actually, it is more like "I will learn whatever, except more damn math, but be damned if I will change unless forced to". I never claimed that I am above failure. After all, I am but a human.

[Norstal]

"I don't want to learn anything and therefore I won't change" is an incredibly inept way for a believe system and an ignorance fallacy.

Actually, it is more like "I will learn whatever, except more damn math, but be damned if I will change unless forced to". I never claimed that I am above failure. After all, I am but a human.

Learning math is somehow tedious. Fine.

And you know what, I'm not even sure if your supreme being dictates you anymore. Or if a supreme being even exists except as a aesthetics.
Especially when you get to "do whatever the fuck" you please.

[Patriqvinia]

You've never spoken to a 'New Ager' have you?

You mean people like Raelians?

Hm, looks like they would fit that genre.

Yes.
http://www.near-death.com/experiences/evidence01.html (the experience is documented at occurring at a time of zero brain activity.)

A subjective account, any facts in which could have been learned before or after the surgery, the actual experience of which cannot be tied to a particular time.

Maybe if this was a unique experience; but you could say that about pretty much everything. I doubt it would have caused such a stir with the doctor (Dr. Robert Spetzler) if that was the case, especially considering she outlined precisely what he and the other surgeons were doing in a 'pioneering surgical procedure' including minor details that would have been otherwise forgotten.

Here's a documentary (er, interview): http://wn.com/standstill_operation

[Dog Bole]

Actually, it is more like "I will learn whatever, except more damn math, but be damned if I will change unless forced to". I never claimed that I am above failure. After all, I am but a human.

Learning math is somehow tedious. Fine.

And you know what, I'm not even sure if your supreme being dictates you anymore. Or if a supreme being even exists except as a aesthetics.
Especially when you get to "do whatever the fuck" you please.

Learning new math makes my head hurt.

I never said it dictates me, just that I know one exist.

[Ferrond]

You've confused the word 'therefore' with the term 'yet paradoxically'.

Atheist Christians compose at least half of the Church of England.

Atheist christians? WTF?

[Ferrond]

Yea but from those time when Revelations was written, Paul used it as a way of coding the real messege.
e.g. 666 is the sign of the Beast that is used to represent Nero.
also we do not take it seriously as others do because on Gos knows when the world will end.

Paul was probably dead a good 20 years when Revelations was written. And there is a school of thought that says the number is actually 616, and that it refers to Domitian, not Nero. I'd tell you to look it up, but you don't care for my source of All Knowledge.

Sorry, the 616 theory is crap. Somebody messed up translating greek numbers.

[Ferrond]

Well, too bad. You won't accept my sources, even at a discount. I take that as disrespect, which is a pity because I enjoy discussing theology with people.

I still want to know what particles ghosts are made of. Maybe I can present it to the Physics department at my Uni. I'll name my thesis "The Invisible Sandmen: Ghosts".

Ectoplasm.

[Ferrond]

If your brain is not active, you're actually dead.

Precisely.

And you know that the experiences of people who were briefly 'dead' happened when they had zero brain activity? Not before that point, if such a point was ever reached?[/quote]

Sorry, that's impossible.

[Ferrond]

So basically some cultist know it all has the power to dictate who is and is not a christian based on his version of the truth?

Do you know what a Christian is?

A Christian is someone who recognizes the divinity of the teachings of Jesus of Nazareth, the Christ, which we should embrace not because Jesus is the supposed son of god (he can't be, since there is no god) but because we know deep within ourselves that those teachings are true and the best way to live among others. We revere Jesus of Nazareth, the Christ, because he was the originator of the tradition in which we came to know those teachings. Those who have come to those teachings through other traditions should rightly revere the respective founders of those traditions for the same reason.

There is another group of people, the cult of Jesus and Jehovah, who fail to see the truth of the divinity of Jesus's teachings and so felt compelled to invent the myth of the divinity of Jesus's person. Those people are responsible for the fabrications, falsifications, and corruptions such as the miracles, the resurrection, virgin birth, etc. that one finds in the New Testament, as well as the establishment of the communities known as the Churches.

WOW! An interesting interpretation.....and also wrong in many parts. You forgot the giant 'KICK ME' note on the back of every 'true' christian.

[Samuraikoku]

Do you know what a Christian is?

A Christian is someone who recognizes the divinity of the teachings of Jesus of Nazareth, the Christ, which we should embrace not because Jesus is the supposed son of god (he can't be, since there is no god) but because we know deep within ourselves that those teachings are true and the best way to live among others. We revere Jesus of Nazareth, the Christ, because he was the originator of the tradition in which we came to know those teachings. Those who have come to those teachings through other traditions should rightly revere the respective founders of those traditions for the same reason.

There is another group of people, the cult of Jesus and Jehovah, who fail to see the truth of the divinity of Jesus's teachings and so felt compelled to invent the myth of the divinity of Jesus's person. Those people are responsible for the fabrications, falsifications, and corruptions such as the miracles, the resurrection, virgin birth, etc. that one finds in the New Testament, as well as the establishment of the communities known as the Churches.

Divinity of the teachings of Jesus of Nazareth... and immediately after, "we should embrace not because Jesus is the supposed son of god (he can't be since there is no god)..."

If you ask me, this sounds contradictory.

[Farnhamia]

Paul was probably dead a good 20 years when Revelations was written. And there is a school of thought that says the number is actually 616, and that it refers to Domitian, not Nero. I'd tell you to look it up, but you don't care for my source of All Knowledge.

Sorry, the 616 theory is crap. Somebody messed up translating greek numbers.

The whole thing is crap, I was merely pointing out that there are different interpretations.

[Kazomal]

Hold up on the beer for a sec, athiests that I know (that follow morals) justify their morals based on a fellowship of man mentality and a good-will way to live that keeps society together and well off, to them they do not need a divine being to tell them yes or no on what they will perceive as negative and what they will perceive as positive

Funny, those are the same things that justify my morals, and I believe in God.

The "fellowship of man" and "goodwill towards all" are the wisdom that God gave us, and we are to act accordingly. Specific laws and rules are generally cultural dressings.

That's how I see it, anyway. Belief in the existence of God does not preclude individual thought and responsibility, but rather, requires it.

[Esternial]

I have the sudden urge to repeatedly hit my head against a brick wall.

Have fun with that. Eventually you will realize that I don't look at reality the same way most people do, and maybe then will learn how to debate with me.

At gunpoint?

[Bluth Corporation]

Do you know what a Christian is?

A Christian is someone who recognizes the divinity of the teachings of Jesus of Nazareth, the Christ, which we should embrace not because Jesus is the supposed son of god (he can't be, since there is no god) but because we know deep within ourselves that those teachings are true and the best way to live among others. We revere Jesus of Nazareth, the Christ, because he was the originator of the tradition in which we came to know those teachings. Those who have come to those teachings through other traditions should rightly revere the respective founders of those traditions for the same reason.

There is another group of people, the cult of Jesus and Jehovah, who fail to see the truth of the divinity of Jesus's teachings and so felt compelled to invent the myth of the divinity of Jesus's person. Those people are responsible for the fabrications, falsifications, and corruptions such as the miracles, the resurrection, virgin birth, etc. that one finds in the New Testament, as well as the establishment of the communities known as the Churches.

Divinity of the teachings of Jesus of Nazareth... and immediately after, "we should embrace not because Jesus is the supposed son of god (he can't be since there is no god)..."

If you ask me, this sounds contradictory.

I'm not sure how, except for an excessively and incorrectly narrow understanding of the possible senses of the word "divine."