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Are you Atheist? or Theist?

Atheist
274
49%
Agnostic
87
16%
Theist- Christian
138
25%
Theist- Muslim
8
1%
Theist- Buddhist
4
1%
Theist- Wicca
5
1%
Theist- Hindu
3
1%
Theist- Other, please post what specifically thank you.
38
7%
 
Total votes : 557

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Hallistar
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Postby Hallistar » Thu Jun 02, 2011 6:48 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Roman Templars wrote:the churches and i'll say it again we do not believe in the end of the world.

I was taught to be a Catholic for the first 12 years of my life, and I was never taught anything about Revelation being a coded message, and I was taught that there would be an end to the world. Perhaps it was just my teachers, or perhaps the position of the Church has changed since then, but I trust you understand that I'll be wanting a source.


Patriqvinia wrote:Precisely.

And you know that the experiences of people who were briefly 'dead' happened when they had zero brain activity? Not before that point, if such a point was ever reached?


To be fair..for the experiences part, these people that are mentioned in some cases were in extremely terrible accidents and were declared dead for hours with zero recorded brain activity

But there is always that random probability, that the universe is random, that even without knowing it those people were not truly dead in some scientific way..Its the whole second guessing and doubting stuff I suppose, which leaves us at square one and has driven some people insane in the past over the paradox of what will happen when we die

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Gilthador
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Postby Gilthador » Thu Jun 02, 2011 6:51 pm

I'm an atheist because it is perfectly rational and logical to be so.
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South Waxhaw
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Postby South Waxhaw » Thu Jun 02, 2011 6:52 pm

Gilthador wrote:I'm an atheist because it is perfectly rational and logical to be so.

You find it logical that life spontaneously formed?

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Valtieres
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Postby Valtieres » Thu Jun 02, 2011 6:53 pm

South Waxhaw wrote:
Gilthador wrote:I'm an atheist because it is perfectly rational and logical to be so.

You find it logical that life spontaneously formed?


Biology does wonders. You should try it some time.
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Postby Samuraikoku » Thu Jun 02, 2011 6:53 pm

South Waxhaw wrote:
Gilthador wrote:I'm an atheist because it is perfectly rational and logical to be so.

You find it logical that life spontaneously formed?


This explains it.

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Postby Ifreann » Thu Jun 02, 2011 6:54 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Roman Templars wrote:
Hell no. God decides when the world will end (and yes it does sound like a big contradiction)

Exactly, the Church accepts that it will happen, they just don't do any more than that.

As I recall, they suggest constant vigilance. God could be about to go all Michael Bay on this sucker any minute, best make sure to stay in his good books.


Roman Templars wrote:Hold on I need to scan that part of my Bible on the Fax machine then. I read from the Catholic Youth Bible.

If you told me the chapter and verse I expect I could find it online.

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Postby Avenio » Thu Jun 02, 2011 6:54 pm

South Waxhaw wrote:
Gilthador wrote:I'm an atheist because it is perfectly rational and logical to be so.

You find it logical that life spontaneously formed?


If by 'spontaneously formed' you mean 'coalesced out of its component parts over millions of years as part of a fairly well-understood process', then most likely, yes.

EDIT: Fixed for clarity. Though life, as we now define it, itself appeared out of components like RNA in a relatively short period of time, the evolution of life's precursors took much longer.
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Roman Templars
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Postby Roman Templars » Thu Jun 02, 2011 6:54 pm

Valtieres wrote:
South Waxhaw wrote:You find it logical that life spontaneously formed?


Biology does wonders. You should try it some time.


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Postby Norstal » Thu Jun 02, 2011 6:54 pm

South Waxhaw wrote:
Gilthador wrote:I'm an atheist because it is perfectly rational and logical to be so.

You find it logical that life spontaneously formed?

Yes. I believe there's a theory on how carbon bonded with some other element deep in the waters that causes life.
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Postby Farnhamia » Thu Jun 02, 2011 6:54 pm

South Waxhaw wrote:
Gilthador wrote:I'm an atheist because it is perfectly rational and logical to be so.

You find it logical that life spontaneously formed?

Sure. It didn't form whole and complete, poof! like in the Bible. Over years and years and years chemical reactions became self-sustaining and structures became self-replicating and then ... me! (Okay, it took a few more billion years.)

Curses, ninja'd!
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Postby Roman Templars » Thu Jun 02, 2011 6:54 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:Exactly, the Church accepts that it will happen, they just don't do any more than that.

As I recall, they suggest constant vigilance. God could be about to go all Michael Bay on this sucker any minute, best make sure to stay in his good books.


Roman Templars wrote:Hold on I need to scan that part of my Bible on the Fax machine then. I read from the Catholic Youth Bible.

If you told me the chapter and verse I expect I could find it online.


wait. I forgot what I am looking for. please remond me. :p

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Postby Derscon » Thu Jun 02, 2011 6:55 pm

Roman Templars wrote:
Derscon wrote:
It's not just that. If there was no adam and eve, there was no original sin.


i know it goes against but it shouldn't be taken so seriously like some people do.


...I...don't think you fully understand how important Original Sin is to your theology.
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South Waxhaw
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Postby South Waxhaw » Thu Jun 02, 2011 6:55 pm

Avenio wrote:
South Waxhaw wrote:You find it logical that life spontaneously formed?


If by 'spontaneously formed' you mean 'coalesced out of its component parts over thousands of years as part of a fairly well-understood process', then most likely, yes.

and the component part came from...

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Postby Existential_Nihilists » Thu Jun 02, 2011 6:56 pm

Gilthador wrote:I'm an atheist because it is perfectly rational and logical to be so.


I'm an atheist too, but I don't arrogantly announce it in such a manner. If you say something like that, you should at least have a paragraph or more to follow up on.

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Postby Derscon » Thu Jun 02, 2011 6:57 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
South Waxhaw wrote:You find it logical that life spontaneously formed?

Sure. It didn't form whole and complete, poof! like in the Bible. Over years and years and years chemical reactions became self-sustaining and structures became self-replicating and then ... me! (Okay, it took a few more billion years.)


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Zeth Rekia
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Postby Zeth Rekia » Thu Jun 02, 2011 6:57 pm

Zeno's a hardcore atheist that believes in god.

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Postby Valtieres » Thu Jun 02, 2011 6:58 pm

South Waxhaw wrote:
Avenio wrote:
If by 'spontaneously formed' you mean 'coalesced out of its component parts over thousands of years as part of a fairly well-understood process', then most likely, yes.

and the component part came from...


Particles of matter that bonded over time into macro-organic molecules. Hurp.
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Postby Norstal » Thu Jun 02, 2011 6:59 pm

Zeth Rekia wrote:Zeno's a hardcore atheist that believes in god.

Satanist?
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Postby Roman Templars » Thu Jun 02, 2011 6:59 pm

Derscon wrote:
Roman Templars wrote:
i know it goes against but it shouldn't be taken so seriously like some people do.


...I...don't think you fully understand how important Original Sin is to your theology.


i do and I studied it. sin we are given from birth even if you do not believe in God. But Adam and Eve is more of a summary on how we got orginal sin.

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Postby Heningrad » Thu Jun 02, 2011 6:59 pm

atheists out number Christians! Comrades we can take over now! :)
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Postby Farnhamia » Thu Jun 02, 2011 6:59 pm

South Waxhaw wrote:
Avenio wrote:
If by 'spontaneously formed' you mean 'coalesced out of its component parts over thousands of years as part of a fairly well-understood process', then most likely, yes.

and the component part came from...

Yes, all the way back to the Big Bang, through stars and nebulae and all that. And no, the BB wasn't an explosion, it was the rapid expansion of an infinitely hot and dense point containing all matter and energy. And no, we don't have every single detail, but you know what else we don't have? A moralizing supernatural being who picked an obscure planet in an obscure galaxy somewhere in a vast universe, and then picked an obscure Near Eastern tribe as his "Chosen People." Who's got logic now?
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Postby Roman Templars » Thu Jun 02, 2011 6:59 pm

Heningrad wrote:atheists out number Christians! Comrades we can take over now! :)


yes thats true but Capitalist out number communists.

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Postby Valtieres » Thu Jun 02, 2011 7:01 pm

Heningrad wrote:atheists out number Christians! Comrades we can take over now! :)


For comrade Dawkins! SLAVA! :twisted:
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Postby Norstal » Thu Jun 02, 2011 7:01 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Norstal wrote:I still want to know what particles ghosts are made of. Maybe I can present it to the Physics department at my Uni. I'll name my thesis "The Invisible Sandmen: Ghosts".

Tachyons?

Come now, we already proven that there are no Tachyons. Only God and Allah. Wait...they're brothers, right?
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Postby Greater Tezdrian » Thu Jun 02, 2011 7:01 pm

Heningrad wrote:atheists out number Christians! Comrades we can take over now! :)

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