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Postby Terrasricas » Thu Jun 02, 2011 9:56 am

Laerod wrote:
Terrasricas wrote:Being one of the most racist counties on the planet, the US really has no place at the conference anyway. I can certainly see how Zionism could be considered racist, yet for some reason that's considered unacceptable to say. So if horrible actions are inflicted on a certain group, apparently they can be racist afterward.

One of the most racist? Are you kidding? Have you bothered comparing the US to the rest of the world at all?

Yes, I have. Many Americans hate Muslims, Latinos, blacks, and Jews. People don't come out and say they're racist, they say "foreigners are taking our jobs" or make jokes about races, and there's the invariable "I'm not racist, but..."
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Postby Buffett and Colbert » Thu Jun 02, 2011 10:00 am

The point of a conference is to share ideas, and try and get yours pushed through. Not attending is just dumb.

Obama is probably trying to reconcile with Netanyahu after his 1967 borders speech.
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Postby SD_Film Artists » Thu Jun 02, 2011 10:01 am

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Laerod wrote:One of the most racist? Are you kidding? Have you bothered comparing the US to the rest of the world at all?

Yes, I have. Many Americans hate Muslims, Latinos, blacks, and Jews. People don't come out and say they're racist, they say "foreigners are taking our jobs" or make jokes about races, and there's the invariable "I'm not racist, but..."


And that doesn't happen in other countries? Not to mention that America is one of the most mixed-raced countries on earth.
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Postby SD_Film Artists » Thu Jun 02, 2011 10:04 am

Buffett and Colbert wrote:Obama is probably trying to reconcile with Netanyahu after his 1967 borders speech.


Good point.
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Postby Laerod » Thu Jun 02, 2011 10:04 am

Terrasricas wrote:
Laerod wrote:One of the most racist? Are you kidding? Have you bothered comparing the US to the rest of the world at all?

Yes, I have. Many Americans hate Muslims, Latinos, blacks, and Jews. People don't come out and say they're racist, they say "foreigners are taking our jobs" or make jokes about races, and there's the invariable "I'm not racist, but..."

So you basically haven't compared it to places like China, Zimbabwe, Russia, or anywhere else. I'm not going to deny that there is racism in America but the claim that it is worse in the US than in other places is going to require evidence that there's nothing comparable or worse happening elsewhere. Which is bullshit. People from the Caucasus are regularly discriminated against quite openly in Russia. China maintains a very strict dominance of Han Chinese over everyone else. Zimbabwe disowns farmers solely because they're white. None of these places have institutions that redress such acts even remotely comparable to the ACLU or the NAACP.

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Postby Dododecapod » Thu Jun 02, 2011 10:05 am

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Laerod wrote:One of the most racist? Are you kidding? Have you bothered comparing the US to the rest of the world at all?

Yes, I have. Many Americans hate Muslims, Latinos, blacks, and Jews. People don't come out and say they're racist, they say "foreigners are taking our jobs" or make jokes about races, and there's the invariable "I'm not racist, but..."


The US has had a problem, and to a certain extent still has a problem, with racism, very true.
But we've been dealing with it for fifty years now. More, really but that's when we really kicked into high gear. And we ARE dealing with it, at the glacial pace that ALL social change requires.
Compare this to, say, Japan. If you're not Japanese, you're shit. And Japan isn't really doing anything about that.
As to your statement "Many Americans hate Muslims, Latinos, blacks, and Jews.", yes. But if you change "Americans" for "Australians" or "British" or "French" or "German" then you will still have a completely true statement.
The US has a problem. But "one of the most racist counties on the planet"? Hardly.
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Postby Terrasricas » Thu Jun 02, 2011 10:06 am

Maybe I'm just not worldly enough yet, but its hard to imagine many countries being more racist than the US.
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Postby SD_Film Artists » Thu Jun 02, 2011 10:07 am

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Terrasricas wrote:Yes, I have. Many Americans hate Muslims, Latinos, blacks, and Jews. People don't come out and say they're racist, they say "foreigners are taking our jobs" or make jokes about races, and there's the invariable "I'm not racist, but..."


The US has had a problem, and to a certain extent still has a problem, with racism, very true.
But we've been dealing with it for fifty years now. More, really but that's when we really kicked into high gear. And we ARE dealing with it, at the glacial pace that ALL social change requires.
Compare this to, say, Japan. If you're not Japanese, you're shit. And Japan isn't really doing anything about that.
As to your statement "Many Americans hate Muslims, Latinos, blacks, and Jews.", yes. But if you change "Americans" for "Australians" or "British" or "French" or "German" then you will still have a completely true statement.
The US has a problem. But "one of the most racist counties on the planet"? Hardly.


And Russia, more so.
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Postby -St George » Thu Jun 02, 2011 10:08 am

Terrasricas wrote:Maybe I'm just not worldly enough yet, but its hard to imagine many countries being more racist than the US.

You aren't worldly enough. Bigotry isn't enshrined in US law, unlike in certain other countries, such as the Maldives where you have to be Sunni Muslim etc.
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Terrasricas wrote:Maybe I'm just not worldly enough

That's probably it
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Postby SD_Film Artists » Thu Jun 02, 2011 10:08 am

Terrasricas wrote:Maybe I'm just not worldly enough yet, but its hard to imagine many countries being more racist than the US.


Yes, a country which elected a mixed-race President.

I'd like to see Russia have a black President or Zimbabwe have a white president.
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Postby Southern Patriots » Thu Jun 02, 2011 10:09 am

Terrasricas wrote:Maybe I'm just not worldly enough yet, but its hard to imagine many countries being more racist than the US.

You should get out more, bru.

Remember Rhodesia.

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Postby Dododecapod » Thu Jun 02, 2011 10:09 am

Terrasricas wrote:Maybe I'm just not worldly enough yet, but its hard to imagine many countries being more racist than the US.


Get anywhere outside the West and South America (most of which is pretty cosmopolitan), and everywhere is more racist than the US.
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Postby Laerod » Thu Jun 02, 2011 10:09 am

Buffett and Colbert wrote:The point of a conference is to share ideas, and try and get yours pushed through. Not attending is just dumb.

Obama is probably trying to reconcile with Netanyahu after his 1967 borders speech.

Doubtful. The conference has basically been hijacked by the "It's only racism when Israel does it" crowd. I recall the last one nearly included wording that would have made any criticism of Islam an act of racism. Attending a conference against racism that is being run by racists is the only smart thing to do and it's in line with the precedent set at Durban II.

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Postby Terrasricas » Thu Jun 02, 2011 10:09 am

SD_Film Artists wrote:
Terrasricas wrote:Maybe I'm just not worldly enough yet, but its hard to imagine many countries being more racist than the US.


Yes, a country which elected a mixed-race President.

I'd like to see Russia have a black President or Zimbabwe have a white president.

Are there black people in Russia? :blink:
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Postby Southern Patriots » Thu Jun 02, 2011 10:10 am

SD_Film Artists wrote:
Terrasricas wrote:Maybe I'm just not worldly enough yet, but its hard to imagine many countries being more racist than the US.

I'd like to see Russia have a black President or Zimbabwe have a white president.

Wouldn't we all? ;)

Remember Rhodesia.

On Robert Mugabe:
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I do hope it wasn't in economics.

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Postby Buffett and Colbert » Thu Jun 02, 2011 10:11 am

Laerod wrote:
Buffett and Colbert wrote:The point of a conference is to share ideas, and try and get yours pushed through. Not attending is just dumb.

Obama is probably trying to reconcile with Netanyahu after his 1967 borders speech.

Doubtful. The conference has basically been hijacked by the "It's only racism when Israel does it" crowd. I recall the last one nearly included wording that would have made any criticism of Islam an act of racism. Attending a conference against racism that is being run by racists is the only smart thing to do and it's in line with the precedent set at Durban II.

And it will continue to be run by racists, if the non-racists don't show up.
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Postby Laerod » Thu Jun 02, 2011 10:11 am

Terrasricas wrote:Maybe I'm just not worldly enough yet, but its hard to imagine many countries being more racist than the US.

Then educate yourself instead of making completely unsupported statements.

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Postby Occupied Poland » Thu Jun 02, 2011 10:12 am

SD_Film Artists wrote:
Terrasricas wrote:Maybe I'm just not worldly enough yet, but its hard to imagine many countries being more racist than the US.


Yes, a country which elected a mixed-race President.

I'd like to see Russia have a black President or Zimbabwe have a white president.


It was called Rhodesia. ;)
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Postby Dododecapod » Thu Jun 02, 2011 10:12 am

Terrasricas wrote:
SD_Film Artists wrote:
Yes, a country which elected a mixed-race President.

I'd like to see Russia have a black President or Zimbabwe have a white president.

Are there black people in Russia? :blink:


Yes, but they are a VERY small minority.
On the other hand, a person from east of the Urals has roughly the same chance of being elected - and they are a very large minority.
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Postby Laerod » Thu Jun 02, 2011 10:13 am

Buffett and Colbert wrote:
Laerod wrote:Doubtful. The conference has basically been hijacked by the "It's only racism when Israel does it" crowd. I recall the last one nearly included wording that would have made any criticism of Islam an act of racism. Attending a conference against racism that is being run by racists is the only smart thing to do and it's in line with the precedent set at Durban II.

And it will continue to be run by racists, if the non-racists don't show up.

Given the prevalence of Arab states in the conference, showing up won't change that. Not showing up will prevent the conference from gaining the legitimacy it craves.

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Postby SD_Film Artists » Thu Jun 02, 2011 10:13 am

Terrasricas wrote:
SD_Film Artists wrote:
Yes, a country which elected a mixed-race President.

I'd like to see Russia have a black President or Zimbabwe have a white president.

Are there black people in Russia? :blink:


"Perhaps we are such a tolorent nation because we are able to live with so many people who we can't f***ing stand"

It could be the simple fact that there aren't many black people in Russia, but it could also be because Russia is racist.

I'd say a bit of both.
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Occupied Poland wrote:
SD_Film Artists wrote:
Yes, a country which elected a mixed-race President.

I'd like to see Russia have a black President or Zimbabwe have a white president.


It was called Rhodesia. ;)


And better for it.
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Postby Dododecapod » Thu Jun 02, 2011 10:14 am

Buffett and Colbert wrote:
Laerod wrote:Doubtful. The conference has basically been hijacked by the "It's only racism when Israel does it" crowd. I recall the last one nearly included wording that would have made any criticism of Islam an act of racism. Attending a conference against racism that is being run by racists is the only smart thing to do and it's in line with the precedent set at Durban II.

And it will continue to be run by racists, if the non-racists don't show up.


Or better, the whole thing will collapse.
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Postby Vecherd » Thu Jun 02, 2011 10:17 am

Good, At least America has some sense left.
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