US to boycott racism conference

[Laerod]

Every prior conference has had two agendas:
A: Punish Israel.
B: Punish America.

The world's nations have become so petty in their hatred of America, it's almost funny.

Evidence for B please. I'm sure you'll be able to find official documentation condemning the US from Durban I or II if this is true.

[Andaluciae]

Maybe they should be upfront and call it the 'Conference to End Israel', then, if that's the point. Otherwise, it might be nice to talk about more than just how evil the Jews are, and how the Holocaust never happened.

Zionism =/= Judiasm.

Second of all, no one is denying that the Holocaust happened.

Except for Mahmoud Ahmadinejad...and his little holocaust conference.

[Hallistar]

From the Herald Sun

THE Obama administration will boycott a world conference against racism being held at UN headquarters in September because of concerns about anti-Semitism.
The UN summit in September marks the 10-year commemoration of the 2001 World Conference Against Racism that was held in the South African city of Durban.

The US and Israel walked out of that meeting over a draft resolution that criticised Israel and equated Zionism with racism.

The United States will not participate in the upcoming conference because the Durban process "included ugly displays of intolerance and anti-Semitism", Joseph E. Macmanus, acting US assistant secretary of state for legislative affairs, wrote in a letter to Democratic Senator Kirsten Gillibrand today.

Sen Gillibrand welcomed the administration's decision.

"It is an insult to America that the United Nations has decided to hold the Durban III conference in New York just days from the 10th anniversary of the September 11th attacks," the New York senator said.

"We all witnessed how extreme anti-Semitic and anti-American voices took over" the original gathering in South Africa and a follow up conference, the senator wrote.

The administration's move was also lauded by the Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations, an umbrella of 52 groups including B'nai B'rith International, the Anti-Defamation League, the American Jewish Committee and Hadassah, the Women's Zionist Organization of America.

The US and at least seven other countries also boycotted a 2009 follow up event that the UN held in Geneva, citing concerns that Islamic countries would again demand a denunciation of Israel and insist that all criticism of Islam be banned.

I think it will be interesting to see the world's reaction of the United States' decision not to participate in the talks. Personally, this whole conference sounds completely and utterly stupid as virtually every party attending will claim to be the victim of some form of racism and deny having anything to do with perpetuating the cycle.

Its all this political correctness stuff and media interference that stops people from having complete freedom of information in analyzing racism explcitly mentioned in things. I myself believe that the torah cites openly racist things, but open any other religious book and it has the same form of mentality, but in terms of who believes what, not to say that is any less worse than being racist....of course having an open and thorough discussion might lead against some pretty powerful agendas...but I will agree with those who say that this will also prevent some other people from seeing that they are part of such a cycle, regardless of who is of what faith or not

Frankly I hope that even though the united states..despite having its biggest lobby being for a foreign power and has various elements of it run by people belonging to such, is not attending it, this un conference might lead to something useful. It will always however be covered up by lies this and statements that by every side, and the part about muslims wanting a ban on criticism against their religion plays into this. In all reality, this might prove to be a dud, and with influence over some important things and an ignorance on all parts, the real truth on all sides will probably be hidden as typical.

[Kreanoltha]

Every prior conference has had two agendas:
A: Punish Israel.
B: Punish America.

The world's nations have become so petty in their hatred of America, it's almost funny.

We're the punching bag of the world I guess.

My problem is not with Judiasm, but with the state of Israel.

Ehud Olmert's "formula for the parameters of a unilateral solution are: To maximize the number of Jews; to minimize the number of Palestinians; not to withdraw to the 1967 border and not to divide Jerusalem."
-Source

Because those last conditions are BULLSHIT.

Like I said --V-- .

Also, dividing Jerusalem is bullshit. Remember how well a divided Berlin worked? These guys hate each other even more than East and West Germans did.

[Laerod]

Also, dividing Jerusalem is bullshit. Remember how well a divided Berlin worked? These guys hate each other even more than East and West Germans did.

I dare say that a division of Berlin and Jerusalem would be two completely different things for two completely and utterly incomparable reasons. And I'm saying this as a Wallpecker, resident of Berlin, and descendant of East German refugees that fled before the Wall went up.

[Hamiltonya]

It's not my job to provide your source. Like you made me provide sources I won't yours. You agree that Wikipedia's reliability fails, so provide me with a different source.

Wrong:

Wikipedia survives research test
The free online resource Wikipedia is about as accurate on science as the Encyclopedia Britannica, a study shows.

The British journal Nature examined a range of scientific entries on both works of reference and found few differences in accuracy.

If you want to cry foul, show that the statements in the article about him being arrested by the Bashir government are wrong.

You find that study on Wikipedia too?

[Hamiltonya]

Face it, one study does not validate wikipedia. I'm not attempting to say every fact on wikipedia is incorrect. I'm saying that you argue the validity of my sources and you're going to use wikipedia. Not only does that make you hypocritical, it makes you just plain ridiculous. I've been watching what you've posted and most are just attacks on the opinion of other players. You failed to prove me wrong so through your own pettiness, you've resorted to arguing how responsible Wikipedia is. It's clear that anti-Israel, terrorist-supporting nations will be in attendance of the Durban III conference. This alone makes it irresponsible of the UN for the past conferences have ended with these same nations taking control and promoting anti-Semitic agendas. What's worse is it's timing. It will be in the same city and at the same time as a previous attack caused by terrorists these nations have supported. Laerod get off your high horse.

[Laerod]

You find that study on Wikipedia too?

Click the link.

Face it, one study does not validate wikipedia. I'm not attempting to say every fact on wikipedia is incorrect. I'm saying that you argue the validity of my sources and you're going to use wikipedia. Not only does that make you hypocritical, it makes you just plain ridiculous. I've been watching what you've posted and most are just attacks on the opinion of other players. You failed to prove me wrong so through your own pettiness, you've resorted to arguing how responsible Wikipedia is. It's clear that anti-Israel, terrorist-supporting nations will be in attendance of the Durban III conference. This alone makes it irresponsible of the UN for the past conferences have ended with these same nations taking control and promoting anti-Semitic agendas. What's worse is it's timing. It will be in the same city and at the same time as a previous attack caused by terrorists these nations have supported. Laerod get off your high horse.

This is a bunch of unsupported bullshit and I'm off to bed.

[The Black Plains]

Every prior conference has had two agendas:
A: Punish Israel.
B: Punish America.

The world's nations have become so petty in their hatred of America, it's almost funny.

Evidence for B please. I'm sure you'll be able to find official documentation condemning the US from Durban I or II if this is true.

Not gonna rifle through the internet. It isn't that important. But do you honestly not remember Obama attending that one "international racism summit" and leaving, saying something along the lines of "They weren't there to talk about racism in the world, they were there to accuse America of racism." or something like that? I don't know if it was Durban I or II, but that is distinct in my memory. Whatever. Punish was the wrong word anyway, but international summits (especially those notorious climate summits) typically target America.

[Hamiltonya]

You find that study on Wikipedia too?

Click the link.

Sarcasm, dumb ass.

Face it, one study does not validate wikipedia. I'm not attempting to say every fact on wikipedia is incorrect. I'm saying that you argue the validity of my sources and you're going to use wikipedia. Not only does that make you hypocritical, it makes you just plain ridiculous. I've been watching what you've posted and most are just attacks on the opinion of other players. You failed to prove me wrong so through your own pettiness, you've resorted to arguing how responsible Wikipedia is. It's clear that anti-Israel, terrorist-supporting nations will be in attendance of the Durban III conference. This alone makes it irresponsible of the UN for the past conferences have ended with these same nations taking control and promoting anti-Semitic agendas. What's worse is it's timing. It will be in the same city and at the same time as a previous attack caused by terrorists these nations have supported. Laerod get off your high horse.

This is a bunch of unsupported bullshit and I'm off to bed.

You're a bunch of unsupported bullshit. I provided enough information to prove this point right. You're right, it is time for you to leave. You simply can't stand losing, so it's best if you leave.

[Caninope]

Maybe they should be upfront and call it the 'Conference to End Israel', then, if that's the point. Otherwise, it might be nice to talk about more than just how evil the Jews are, and how the Holocaust never happened.

Zionism =/= Judiasm.

Second of all, no one is denying that the Holocaust happened.

Ahmadinejad headline the last Durban Conference. He most certainly denied it.

[Kreanoltha]

Click the link.

Sarcasm, dumb ass.


This is a bunch of unsupported bullshit and I'm off to bed.

You're a bunch of unsupported bullshit. I provided enough information to prove this point right. You're right, it is time for you to leave. You simply can't stand losing, so it's best if you leave.

*le sigh* You know, I was with you until this post. Don't attack the players, attack the post. If they're leaving, just comment that they must have run out of counterarguments, or just say nothing and save face for the both of you. I really hope your post is not taken as flaming.

[Kreanoltha]

Zionism =/= Judiasm.

Second of all, no one is denying that the Holocaust happened.

Ahmadinejad headline the last Durban Conference. He most certainly denied it.

That's disgusting and personally offensive. I lost a great uncle in the Holocaust. Fuck Ahmadinejad and the Durban Conference.

[Wamitoria]

Ahmadinejad headline the last Durban Conference. He most certainly denied it.

That's disgusting and personally offensive. I lost a great uncle in the Holocaust. Fuck Ahmadinejad and the Durban Conference.

Indeed. I can't believe we actually agree that a anti-Zionist circle jerk is something to avoid getting the US involved in.

[Hamiltonya]

You're a bunch of unsupported bullshit. I provided enough information to prove this point right. You're right, it is time for you to leave. You simply can't stand losing, so it's best if you leave.

*le sigh* You know, I was with you until this post. Don't attack the players, attack the post. If they're leaving, just comment that they must have run out of counterarguments, or just say nothing and save face for the both of you. I really hope your post is not taken as flaming.

Eh, I don't think so because I could file for flaming as well. Sorry about that he was just really annoying.

[Kreanoltha]

That's disgusting and personally offensive. I lost a great uncle in the Holocaust. Fuck Ahmadinejad and the Durban Conference.

Indeed. I can't believe we actually agree that a anti-Zionist circle jerk is something to avoid getting the US involved in.

Eh, as I said above, I'm biased. But seriously, Israel is a sovereign nation, and clowns like Ahmadinejad can not go out and deny their existence to the UN. Also, if I was Binyamin Netanyahu I would tell that fat asshole, Ahmadinejad that the next time he calls for Israel to be wiped off the face of the earth I will consider it a declaration of war and respond appropriately.

*le sigh* You know, I was with you until this post. Don't attack the players, attack the post. If they're leaving, just comment that they must have run out of counterarguments, or just say nothing and save face for the both of you. I really hope your post is not taken as flaming.

Eh, I don't think so because I could file for flaming as well. Sorry about that he was just really annoying.

Laerod was skirting the edges as well. Anyway, its cool. I've just seen people get pressed into "coffee breaks" by the mods for stuff like that.

[Hallistar]

Indeed. I can't believe we actually agree that a anti-Zionist circle jerk is something to avoid getting the US involved in.

Eh, as I said above, I'm biased. But seriously, Israel is a sovereign nation, and clowns like Ahmadinejad can not go out and deny their existence to the UN. Also, if I was Binyamin Netanyahu I would tell that fat asshole, Ahmadinejad that the next time he calls for Israel to be wiped off the face of the earth I will consider it a declaration of war and respond appropriately.

Eh, I don't think so because I could file for flaming as well. Sorry about that he was just really annoying.

Laerod was skirting the edges as well. Anyway, its cool. I've just seen people get pressed into "coffee breaks" by the mods for stuff like that.

Some of the translators present at the conference where the wipe off the map quote was alleged (Even dr Duke) all attest that Ahmadenijad, in his own farsi language, said that 'The passing of time will wipe away the zionist regime just like the soviet regime was wiped from russia' and that 'the civil rights of christians muslims and jews must be respected'. Look, even the National intelligence estimate says Iran does not have any nukes and said it froze its program back in 2003, and there is a reason why Iran has the second largest jewish community in the middle east. I am not really defending Iran that much, I know the state is guilty of supporting the sharia law and hanging people and all these sort of things, and I know he denied the holocaust (I personally believe it is true) but I am just putting it out there.

As for wikipedia, you must realise that it was found not reliable for controversial articles. This is pretty blatantly obvious as well and the group does have its own agenda as well, which is fine for the most part, but you can't expect to pull most of your information on a controversial topic from it with an accurate view on both sides.

[Kreanoltha]

Eh, as I said above, I'm biased. But seriously, Israel is a sovereign nation, and clowns like Ahmadinejad can not go out and deny their existence to the UN. Also, if I was Binyamin Netanyahu I would tell that fat asshole, Ahmadinejad that the next time he calls for Israel to be wiped off the face of the earth I will consider it a declaration of war and respond appropriately.



Laerod was skirting the edges as well. Anyway, its cool. I've just seen people get pressed into "coffee breaks" by the mods for stuff like that.

Some of the translators present at the conference where the wipe off the map quote was alleged (Even dr Duke) all attest that Ahmadenijad, in his own farsi language, said that 'The passing of time will wipe away the zionist regime just like the soviet regime was wiped from russia' and that 'the civil rights of christians muslims and jews must be respected'. Look, even the National intelligence estimate says Iran does not have any nukes and said it froze its program back in 2003, and there is a reason why Iran has the second largest jewish community in the middle east. I am not really defending Iran that much, I know the state is guilty of supporting the sharia law and hanging people and all these sort of things, and I know he denied the holocaust (I personally believe it is true) but I am just putting it out there.

I'm sure some of them do. Others swear that he said "Wipe Israel off the map." Given Ahmadenijad history and his denial of the Holocaust I'm inclined to agree with the assertion that he said, "Wipe Israel off the map."

Believing has nothing to do with it. We don't believe the World Wars happened. We know they happened. We don't believe the American Revolution happened. We know it happened. We don't believe the Holocaust happened. We know it happened. Oy! I need to listen to Never Again again.

As for wikipedia, you must realise that it was found not reliable for controversial articles. This is pretty blatantly obvious as well and the group does have its own agenda as well, which is fine for the most part, but you can't expect to pull most of your information on a controversial topic from it with an accurate view on both sides.

I was commenting more towards the behavior of the posters, but I'm still cautious with wiki.

[New Chalcedon]

I'm with Obama. The 2001 conference spent about three-quarters of its time castigating Israel, and the UNCHR gleefully used it as a weapon with which to bash Israel. The "premier world group on human rights" (with members such as Sudan, Saudi Arabia, Zimbabwe and Pakistan) spent the next five years (until its dissolution and replacement in 2006) using a third of its resolutions attacking Israel, and its successor has achieved the unique distinction of condemning Israel 32 times, whilst not condemning another single nation (including Sudan, Libya and Egypt).

This "world anti-racism" crap is just a front for anti-Israeli political hacks, seeking to advance their radical agenda by any means possible. I'm all for Obama boycotting it, and I hope that Australia does the same.

[Kreanoltha]

I'm with Obama. The 2001 conference spent about three-quarters of its time castigating Israel, and the UNCHR gleefully used it as a weapon with which to bash Israel. The "premier world group on human rights" (with members such as Sudan, Saudi Arabia, Zimbabwe and Pakistan) spent the next five years (until its dissolution and replacement in 2006) using a third of its resolutions attacking Israel, and its successor has achieved the unique distinction of condemning Israel 32 times, whilst not condemning another single nation (including Sudan, Libya and Egypt).

Saudi Arabia is bashing someone for racism? Did I fall through the looking glass?

[Hamiltonya]

Which other countries boycott this event too?

Israel, US, Canada

[Dododecapod]

Israel, US, Canada

3 countries.

Israel who's afraid being the subject of scorn. Once more.
USA, which is a puppet state of Israel. They have no other option.
Canada, because they think it's about the clubbing of seals and they want to keep this national sport.

Anyway, only 3 countries are boycotting an event. Nothing more to add, I assume.

Who is boycotting is less important than why they're boycotting. If the conference has no answer to the charges the boycotters bring (and in this case they don't) then the boycotters are in the right.

[Kreanoltha]

Israel, US, Canada

3 countries.

Israel which is afraid being the subject of scorn. Once more.
USA, which is a puppet state of Israel. They have no other option.
Canada, because they think it's about the clubbing of seals and they want to keep this national sport.

Anyway, only 3 countries are boycotting an event. Nothing more to add, I assume.

Actually this is the correct list and reasoning:

Israel which sees no reason to attend an event where they will be bashed by Holocaust deniers and nations that want to wipe them off the map.

The USA which i not attending both to protest the fact that Durban is antisemitism thinly veiled as "Anti-Racism," and to back up our alley.

Canada either because they also have a problem with antisemitism, or because they are our hate and they go where ever we go.

Actually Dododecapod is right. --V--

3 countries.

Israel who's afraid being the subject of scorn. Once more.
USA, which is a puppet state of Israel. They have no other option.
Canada, because they think it's about the clubbing of seals and they want to keep this national sport.

Anyway, only 3 countries are boycotting an event. Nothing more to add, I assume.

Who is boycotting is less important than why they're boycotting. If the conference has no answer to the charges the boycotters bring (and in this case they don't) then the boycotters are in the right.

[Dododecapod]

Who is boycotting is less important than why they're boycotting. If the conference has no answer to the charges the boycotters bring (and in this case they don't) then the boycotters are in the right.

Why are the other countries not seeing the light? Or is the entire world stupid and anti-Semitic?
Or is it more likely that USA and Israel have a shared agenda?

An agenda to not allow a conference on racism to be hijacked by political extremism into a springboard for a non-racism situation? Sounds pretty reasonable to me.

[Dododecapod]

Actually this is the correct list and reasoning:

Israel which sees no reason to attend an event where they will be bashed by Holocaust deniers and nations that want to wipe them off the map.

The USA which i not attending both to protest the fact that Durban is antisemitism thinly veiled as "Anti-Racism," and to back up our alley.

Canada either because they also have a problem with antisemitism, or because they are our hate and they go where ever we go.

Actually Dododecapod is right. --V--

Denying the holocaust is in many European countries a crime. Really.

Which European country is a holocaust denier and want to wipe Israel of the map?

He didn't say European.