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Postby Scalietti » Wed Jun 01, 2011 10:23 pm

From the Herald Sun

THE Obama administration will boycott a world conference against racism being held at UN headquarters in September because of concerns about anti-Semitism.
The UN summit in September marks the 10-year commemoration of the 2001 World Conference Against Racism that was held in the South African city of Durban.

The US and Israel walked out of that meeting over a draft resolution that criticised Israel and equated Zionism with racism.

The United States will not participate in the upcoming conference because the Durban process "included ugly displays of intolerance and anti-Semitism", Joseph E. Macmanus, acting US assistant secretary of state for legislative affairs, wrote in a letter to Democratic Senator Kirsten Gillibrand today.

Sen Gillibrand welcomed the administration's decision.

"It is an insult to America that the United Nations has decided to hold the Durban III conference in New York just days from the 10th anniversary of the September 11th attacks," the New York senator said.

"We all witnessed how extreme anti-Semitic and anti-American voices took over" the original gathering in South Africa and a follow up conference, the senator wrote.

The administration's move was also lauded by the Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations, an umbrella of 52 groups including B'nai B'rith International, the Anti-Defamation League, the American Jewish Committee and Hadassah, the Women's Zionist Organization of America.

The US and at least seven other countries also boycotted a 2009 follow up event that the UN held in Geneva, citing concerns that Islamic countries would again demand a denunciation of Israel and insist that all criticism of Islam be banned.


I think it will be interesting to see the world's reaction of the United States' decision not to participate in the talks. Personally, this whole conference sounds completely and utterly stupid as virtually every party attending will claim to be the victim of some form of racism and deny having anything to do with perpetuating the cycle.
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Postby SaintB » Wed Jun 01, 2011 10:28 pm

This really is a zionist conspiracy... :(
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Postby Tnurnbtania » Wed Jun 01, 2011 10:30 pm

This is kinda vague as there are multiple forms of Zionism but I can see how Zionist hardliners can be compared to racists with the whole "No non-jews allowed" standpoint. The whole conference sounds utterly pointless though as pointing out that people are racist won't stop them from being racist. Many things the UN does are utterly pointless.

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Postby Greed and Death » Wed Jun 01, 2011 10:34 pm

I support Obama on this.
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Postby Wolfanbach » Wed Jun 01, 2011 10:37 pm

Totally support Obama on this one. When you realize all these conferences are to is criticize Germany for the Holocaust even though that really isn't an issue anymore and gang up on Israel.
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Postby Robert Magoo » Wed Jun 01, 2011 10:41 pm

Just what's the point of this conference anyway? What's the actual goal in mind? What are we actually losing by not attending? Anything?
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Postby Soviet Haaregrad » Wed Jun 01, 2011 10:52 pm

Robert Magoo wrote:Just what's the point of this conference anyway? What's the actual goal in mind? What are we actually losing by not attending? Anything?


We might have to hear about shit the Israelis have done instead of shit Arabs have done for once.
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Postby Galla- » Wed Jun 01, 2011 10:56 pm

Robert Magoo wrote:Just what's the point of this conference anyway? What's the actual goal in mind? What are we actually losing by not attending? Anything?


We'll hear them talk about the bad things Israel does.

We can't have none of that.
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Postby Sucrati » Wed Jun 01, 2011 11:01 pm

Tnurnbtania wrote:This is kinda vague as there are multiple forms of Zionism but I can see how Zionist hardliners can be compared to racists with the whole "No non-jews allowed" standpoint. The whole conference sounds utterly pointless though as pointing out that people are racist won't stop them from being racist. Many things the UN does are utterly pointless.


Remember that, when people call the Tea Party Caucus racists just because a fringe group is and the majority isn't...

Not all Zionists or Jews are Racist, just a small Minority.

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Postby Tokyoni » Wed Jun 01, 2011 11:04 pm

Zionism most certainly is a discriminatory ("race" versus "religion" gets a bit touchy with the Jewish identity with some, so I'll leave it at that) ideology. Spoken as someone with a lot of Jewish relatives, those of whom are adult age seem to feel the same way as far as I know.

Anti-semitism = bad.
Anti-zionism = good.
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Postby Fal Dara in Shienar » Wed Jun 01, 2011 11:06 pm

Got to back Barry on this one. Talking about Israel certainly isn't going to do to much to solve racism. Might as well let them do their thing until they shape up.
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Postby Hamiltonya » Wed Jun 01, 2011 11:12 pm

Yeah, I think the US is right to boycott the conference. It sounds like a bunch of whiney Arab countries attempting to find an excuse to attack Israel. It's clearly a waste of the US's time. Plus, racism is a state of mind and can't be banned. It's like telling someone you can't have your opinion and that's starting to sound a little dictator scary. Racism isn't what you should try to stop, it's discrimination. Who cares if someone thinks that people are lesser because of the color of their skin? As long as they don't act upon that belief, I personally, wouldn't care.
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Postby Tokyoni » Wed Jun 01, 2011 11:27 pm

Hamiltonya wrote:Yeah, I think the US is right to boycott the conference. It sounds like a bunch of whiney Arab countries attempting to find an excuse to attack Israel. It's clearly a waste of the US's time. Plus, racism is a state of mind and can't be banned. It's like telling someone you can't have your opinion and that's starting to sound a little dictator scary. Racism isn't what you should try to stop, it's discrimination. Who cares if someone thinks that people are lesser because of the color of their skin? As long as they don't act upon that belief, I personally, wouldn't care.


Racism is indeed a belief system, internal to the mind. And as long as it stays there - well, for one it has no tangible effect, and is relatively difficult to detect. Indeed, making such illegal (instead of simply promoting rational education on the point) would be unfeasible and counterproductive. When, however, such incorrect theory leads to action, that is when there is a problem.

For example, if my neighbor were to believe in the Aztec religion, I wouldn't have any right to object. When he attempts to sacrifice me in the belief that such will bring back the sun, I would. Extreme example, but should highlight what I'm getting at.

And Zionism seems rather more like the latter as there certainly is a lot of ... not very nice action based upon it.
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Postby Maurepas » Thu Jun 02, 2011 1:12 am

Hmmm, on the one hand, if the conference is truly anti-semitic, which I could easily see, then I'd say the US is right to boycott, but on the other, if the US and Israel's claims to anti-semitism uses their traditional definition of "anything vaguely critical of Israel", which I can also easily see, then I'd say they are firmly in the wrong.

Tough call there.

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Postby Hathradic States » Thu Jun 02, 2011 1:14 am

For once, I support the President in his descision. :clap:

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Postby The Parkus Empire » Thu Jun 02, 2011 1:31 am

Seems a bit iffy, but I'm gonna go out on a limb and say I trust the President if he says it was anti-Semitic.
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Postby Laerod » Thu Jun 02, 2011 4:21 am

Scalietti wrote:I think it will be interesting to see the world's reaction of the United States' decision not to participate in the talks. Personally, this whole conference sounds completely and utterly stupid as virtually every party attending will claim to be the victim of some form of racism and deny having anything to do with perpetuating the cycle.

Probably the same as in 2009.

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Postby SD_Film Artists » Thu Jun 02, 2011 4:41 am

Maurepas wrote:Hmmm, on the one hand, if the conference is truly anti-semitic, which I could easily see, then I'd say the US is right to boycott, but on the other, if the US and Israel's claims to anti-semitism uses their traditional definition of "anything vaguely critical of Israel", which I can also easily see, then I'd say they are firmly in the wrong.

Tough call there.


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Postby Wamitoria » Thu Jun 02, 2011 5:20 am

The Parkus Empire wrote:Seems a bit iffy, but I'm gonna go out on a limb and say I trust the President if he says it was anti-Semitic.

Same here.
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Postby Lackadaisical2 » Thu Jun 02, 2011 6:01 am

Sen Gillibrand welcomed the administration's decision.

"It is an insult to America that the United Nations has decided to hold the Durban III conference in New York just days from the 10th anniversary of the September 11th attacks," the New York senator said.

"We all witnessed how extreme anti-Semitic and anti-American voices took over" the original gathering in South Africa and a follow up conference, the senator wrote.

I really don't follow her logic here, we can't hold anti-American sentiments in New York now if its anywhere near the 11th?
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Postby Angleter » Thu Jun 02, 2011 6:03 am

If Mahmoud Abbas believes in a two-state solution, he accepts Zionism and therefore is a racist.
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Postby Laerod » Thu Jun 02, 2011 6:05 am

Lackadaisical2 wrote:
Sen Gillibrand welcomed the administration's decision.

"It is an insult to America that the United Nations has decided to hold the Durban III conference in New York just days from the 10th anniversary of the September 11th attacks," the New York senator said.

"We all witnessed how extreme anti-Semitic and anti-American voices took over" the original gathering in South Africa and a follow up conference, the senator wrote.

I really don't follow her logic here, we can't hold anti-American sentiments in New York now if its anywhere near the 11th?

Probably because it's an emotional rather than a logical argument.

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Postby Horsefish » Thu Jun 02, 2011 6:08 am

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Sen Gillibrand welcomed the administration's decision.

"It is an insult to America that the United Nations has decided to hold the Durban III conference in New York just days from the 10th anniversary of the September 11th attacks," the New York senator said.

"We all witnessed how extreme anti-Semitic and anti-American voices took over" the original gathering in South Africa and a follow up conference, the senator wrote.

I really don't follow her logic here, we can't hold anti-American sentiments in New York now if its anywhere near the 11th?


An American politician uses September the 11th reference! It's super effective!
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Postby Southern Patriots » Thu Jun 02, 2011 7:44 am

Zionism reminds me of white nationalism in some ways, with both having many subgroups that sometimes steal the attention for the whole affair.
Hence I can see why the point of view equating Zionism with racism. Many Zionist proponents seem to maintain racist views or have racist agendas.

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Postby Outer Chaosmosis » Thu Jun 02, 2011 7:50 am

Why is this news? Didn't the US boycott the last conference as well, and for the same reason?

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