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Your nation's morals- what do you stand for?

Postby Undisturbity » Wed Jun 01, 2011 3:41 pm

What does your nation believe in? Are you more of a "free people, free speech, unstable economy" person, or a "government power is vital, little freedom, huge economy" type people? Or perhaps somewhere in between the two? What is the most important quality of your nation? What do you like in nations, and what do you dislike in them? Your general opinions on morality, war, politics, and similar ilk.

I believe people come before economy, and freedom and rights and equality are of utmost vitality. I hate nations that allow too much government control, but I like nations that allow a lot of freedom. I hate wars, and wish never to involve myself with them. What are your own opinions?

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Postby Georgism » Wed Jun 01, 2011 3:46 pm

Should this be here?

IRL I believe in free speech, pluralism, human rights, etc. Essentially liberal democracy in action, with a mainly capitalist mixed economy and a welfare state.

In Georgism I believe in fuck all and choose whatever options seem most fun.
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Postby Augarundus » Wed Jun 01, 2011 3:54 pm

IRL, I believe in making money and kicking the poor.

In RP's, I believe in making money and kicking statists.
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Postby Georgism » Wed Jun 01, 2011 3:55 pm

Augarundus wrote:IRL, I believe in making money and kicking the poor.

I knew it!
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Postby Valrez » Wed Jun 01, 2011 3:57 pm

I believe in liberty! 8)
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Postby Augarundus » Wed Jun 01, 2011 3:59 pm

Valrez wrote:I believe in liberty! 8)


Want to join a poor-kicking club?
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Postby Aeronos » Wed Jun 01, 2011 4:23 pm

Free people, free speech, free minds, free markets, light social welfare. I believe in government staying the hell out of affairs, but getting involved socially to protect individuals from coercion, and economically to provide the four pillars of a stable society to those who cannot afford it: health care, education, defense and law. Basically the literal definition of the term "Liberal Democracy" I guess, though I prefer the term "Mutualist Minarchism", because it makes me sound all professional and... yeah :P

I hear the word "Moral" though. Morally the Moral Compass perfectly explains me. I'm very radically voluntary co-operative, as I oppose coercion all the way, but I lean about 3 blobs into selfishness, as I favour people having a balance, but think of selfishness as a slightly superior virtue because envy is the force that drives our species. I myself as a person probably symmetry this in the X-axis though, as I tend to be pretty damn selfless IRL, primarily because I can't stand seeing people suffer. Socialist at heart, free-market capitalist at mind, and I wouldn't have it any other way ;)
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Postby Shaoyuan » Wed Jun 01, 2011 4:35 pm

Freedom is a means to an end. We seek what is rational and true and we seek to give all our citizens the best lives possible. But the state is king.
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Postby Keronians » Wed Jun 01, 2011 4:36 pm

Social democracy.

EDIT: Here's a summarised list on how I'd run a nation:

1. Hold free and fair elections for its citizens to decide who should govern them, with a system of multiparty democracy so a variety of ideals can be put into practice.
2. Have a mixed economy consisting of both private enterprise and publicly owned or subsidized programs of education, health care, child care and related social services for all citizens.
3. Have an extensive system of social security (although not to the extent advocated by socialists), with the stated goal of counteracting the effects of poverty and insuring the citizens against loss of income following illness, unemployment or retirement.
4. Have government bodies that regulate private enterprise in the interests of workers and consumers by ensuring labor rights, consumer protections, and fair market competition.
5. Promote environmentalism and enforce environmental protection laws designed to combat global warming.
6. Have a value-added/progressive taxation system to fund government expenditures.
7. Have a secular and socially progressive policy.
8. Promote immigration and multiculturalism.
9. Advocate for fair trade over free trade.
10. Have a foreign policy supporting the idea of democracy, the protection of human rights and, where possible, effective multilateralism.
11. Encourage its citizens to have a strong sense of international solidarity and tolerance.
12. Advocate for social justice, human rights, social rights, civil rights and civil liberties.
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Postby Gaiso » Wed Jun 01, 2011 4:40 pm

Keronians wrote:Social democracy.

EDIT: Here's a summarised list on how I'd run a nation:

1. Hold free and fair elections for its citizens to decide who should govern them, with a system of multiparty democracy so a variety of ideals can be put into practice.
2. Have a mixed economy consisting of both private enterprise and publicly owned or subsidized programs of education, health care, child care and related social services for all citizens.
3. Have an extensive system of social security (although not to the extent advocated by socialists), with the stated goal of counteracting the effects of poverty and insuring the citizens against loss of income following illness, unemployment or retirement.
4. Have government bodies that regulate private enterprise in the interests of workers and consumers by ensuring labor rights, consumer protections, and fair market competition.
5. Promote environmentalism and enforce environmental protection laws designed to combat global warming.
6. Have a value-added/progressive taxation system to fund government expenditures.
7. Have a secular and socially progressive policy.
8. Promote immigration and multiculturalism.
9. Advocate for fair trade over free trade.
10. Have a foreign policy supporting the idea of democracy, the protection of human rights and, where possible, effective multilateralism.
11. Encourage its citizens to have a strong sense of international solidarity and tolerance.
12. Advocate for social justice, human rights, social rights, civil rights and civil liberties.

I'm slightly more left than this. I want #6 to be at the extent socialists, as you phrase it, advocate it.

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Postby Lydenburg » Wed Jun 01, 2011 6:00 pm

I believe a line should be drawn between too much freedom and too little. For example, I am against socialism and support capitalism because I am thinking in the best interests of the nation which I represent. Capitalism allows people more freedoms to operate on the market, and greater incentive to bring cash flow into the economy. Communism, and certain radical forms of socialism have been proven to fail because no one works for his own benefit or the benefit of his country as a whole, he simply exists.

I got this bad impression of socialism when I went to a Communist nation once as part of a tour group. (I will not name the nation in question) I found when I was served at a restaurant, plates and food were slammed down in front of me, and the waiters very impolite. I discovered that there was no incentive to work for raises, bonuses, etc. No hope for advancement. They get paid and treated the same whether I am satisfied with their service or not.

Therefore, I support a free market economy and capitalism. On the other hand, I do not wish to see Pornography defended under freedom of speech so for my fictional nation, I impose censorship to keep indecency, excessive violence, ungodly entertainment out of the hands of my people (Through censoring television, films, publications, music, and the internet). In real-life, I live in a country with a growing AIDS epidemic. It is my personal belief, as a citizen of this country, that it has been brought to its knees by AIDS because the sanctity of marriage has not been kept. Premarital sexual relations have led to a sudden rise in Sexually Transmitted Diseases. Therefore, premarital intercourse is banned in my nation. Personal preferences have also led to homosexuality, abortion, and gambling being banned. I simply do not believe I can allow these things in my nation and still keep a good conscience if I were really ruling a real people.

I support multiparty democracy but have no desire for social welfare or an active foreign policy. If my nation can produce enough resources to keep a strong economy, and enough food to feed all its people, then that's all we need. My policies will move a nation real-life towards self-sufficiency while implementing increasingly isolationist measures towards the rest of the world. (Notice I am not a member of the meddling, infringing, WA and never will be) I do not advocate foreign aid. It's a waste of money that half the time goes straight to the Swiss bank account of some dictator. As for welfare, I focus mainly on providing a good education system for my citizens. If they're all educated and can get good jobs, then there is no need for welfare to support the unemployed, correct?

Generally, I will take a stern religious approach to society as a whole to preserve the morality of my nation's people. I will also implement policies of social conservatism which cannot be changed except by Unanimous vote in Parliament, thus ensuring that these things which I believe are right for my NS country will live on even after one leader dies or steps down.
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Postby Ceannairceach » Wed Jun 01, 2011 6:11 pm

"Do whatever you want with yourself, and to anyone else so long as they're consenting, just listen to the state when we say something."

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Postby Undisturbity » Wed Jun 01, 2011 6:14 pm

Lydenburg wrote: On the other hand, I do not wish to see Pornography defended under freedom of speech so for my fictional nation, I impose censorship to keep indecency, excessive violence, ungodly entertainment out of the hands of my people (Through censoring television, films, publications, music, and the internet). In real-life, I live in a country with a growing AIDS epidemic. It is my personal belief, as a citizen of this country, that it has been brought to its knees by AIDS because the sanctity of marriage has not been kept. Premarital sexual relations have led to a sudden rise in Sexually Transmitted Diseases. Therefore, premarital intercourse is banned in my nation. Personal preferences have also led to homosexuality, abortion, and gambling being banned. I simply do not believe I can allow these things in my nation and still keep a good conscience if I were really ruling a real people.


To be honest, my agreement stopped somewhere around there. In my nation, I would provide amounts of freedom that would nearly seem radical to most other nations. I feel that the most amount of freedom possible without complete anarchy is optimal, since I believe everyone is entitled to do practically whatever they wanr, as long as it does not harm others or cause unrest. Homosexuality is a tolerable thing for me, since I believe humans simply cannot help their sexual orientations. Abortion, to me, on the other hand, is completely innappropriate. I think that the argument that women deserve the right to kill their babies is an unjust one, since the baby has the potential to become a valid, helpful, kind, and beneficial human being, and therefore you have no right to kill it.

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Postby Siorafrica » Wed Jun 01, 2011 6:17 pm

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Postby Undisturbity » Wed Jun 01, 2011 6:32 pm

Siorafrica wrote:Siorafrica stands for results and that is the very short and sweet of it.

What exactly do you mean by that?

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Postby Jagalonia » Wed Jun 01, 2011 6:34 pm

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Postby Naurobia » Wed Jun 01, 2011 6:36 pm

we stand for small federal government, more powers to the state governments, having a strong national defense, free market economy, and Christian morals.
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Postby Smullania » Wed Jun 01, 2011 6:37 pm

IRL Do whatever you want, and be kind to others.

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Postby Draconian Races » Wed Jun 01, 2011 6:37 pm

Religion as life. Death to any who refuse to repent. Freedom within boundaries
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Postby Genivaria » Wed Jun 01, 2011 6:39 pm

Draconian Races wrote:Religion as life. Death to any who refuse to repent. Freedom within boundaries

Straight to the gulag with you.

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Postby Wolny Kraj » Wed Jun 01, 2011 6:40 pm

Lwowskist Communism.

so basically rights for all and no state, and no hating on religion like the USSR and China did.
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Postby South Waxhaw » Wed Jun 01, 2011 6:41 pm

I believe in controlled freedom. I'm not sure exactly what that looks like, but I'll tell you when I find out.

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Postby Draconian Races » Wed Jun 01, 2011 6:42 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Draconian Races wrote:Religion as life. Death to any who refuse to repent. Freedom within boundaries

Straight to the gulag with you.


We dont have a gulag :P
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Postby Undisturbity » Wed Jun 01, 2011 6:42 pm

Hmm... It seems that many people want their nations to support religion and enforce it... I would never force my beleifs or anyone else's upon someone. Everyone has the freedom of beleiving in whatever they want, be it God, Zeus, The Flying Spaghetti Monster, and all Gods in between, or lack thereof. I find great hipppocracy in those who support freedom of speech yet suppress choice in religion.

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