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Postby Pyroclastic » Wed Jun 01, 2011 2:18 pm

First of i am Kinda new here so if i violate some unwritten rule just let me know
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In your opinion what should ne done to help tackle the American Budget problem

I personally believe in two main steps
first overhaul defense
in defense we have million (sometimes billion) dollar planes that are costly to maintain and truthfully will not be able to get much better (due to human limitations) and instead of building these planes and trying to develop new ones, i believe that we should go fully into the drone tech. there have been many drone ideas that would significantly lower costs
For example the Terminator (later the Dominator)
the idea if this was a drone that communiocated with others of its kind and create swarms of over hundreds of them. Each of these would have 3 muntions that could be used to attack a target
The pros of this is that once developed drones are rather cheap (developing is the hard part)
they are stealthy
they have great endurance and would be valuable in todays battlefied which is always changing
the same thing is done with the navy

The second thing we should do is stop foreign aid for just one year
This would allow us to focus more on domestic issues for at least one year wiht a fair bit of money it would also show some countries that they do have benificial relations with the US (at least economically) and perhaps open up for wider more open negotiations

any Views of your own?

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Postby Cosmopoles » Wed Jun 01, 2011 2:39 pm

Trying to pick and choose individual budget items to cut or modify is not going to solve the US debt problem. While cuts to certain items of discretionary spending should take place - including the defence budget - large scale reforms to both increase tax revenues and decrease the long term costs of healthcare, social security and entitlements are needed to effectively fix the problem.

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Postby Pyroclastic » Wed Jun 01, 2011 2:55 pm

i agree we need to cut long term spending and increase revenues
i think the second (revenue) is directly related to the first
the problem is politics
what the US really needs is to go more into renewable energy sources
but i digress im mostly trying to talk about short term plans right now

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Postby Swkoll » Wed Jun 01, 2011 3:07 pm

Pyroclastic wrote:they are cheap


Not true, they are more expensive and extremely more specialized than standard tech.

Also foreign aid is 0.2% of the budget.
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Postby Georgism » Wed Jun 01, 2011 3:08 pm

1. Privatise everything/sell it all off for lots of money
2. Keep sales taxes to brig in some money
3. Put all this money towards paying the debt

It's totally foolproof and the only conceivable reason that this hasn't been done already is clearly because of statist big government corruption
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Postby Swkoll » Wed Jun 01, 2011 3:09 pm

Georgism wrote:2. Keep sales taxes to brig in some money


:palm: Sales tax is a state right, not federal.
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Postby Georgism » Wed Jun 01, 2011 3:09 pm

Swkoll wrote:
Georgism wrote:2. Keep sales taxes to brig in some money


:palm: Sales tax is a state right, not federal.

Under my system the states will be sold off.
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Postby Keronians » Wed Jun 01, 2011 3:10 pm

Georgism wrote:1. Privatise everything/sell it all off for lots of money
2. Keep sales taxes to brig in some money
3. Put all this money towards paying the debt

It's totally foolproof and the only conceivable reason that this hasn't been done already is clearly because of statist big government corruption


Remind me what your grade in AS economics was again?

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Postby Swkoll » Wed Jun 01, 2011 3:10 pm

Georgism wrote:
Swkoll wrote:
:palm: Sales tax is a state right, not federal.

Under my system the states will be sold off.

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Postby Georgism » Wed Jun 01, 2011 3:11 pm

Keronians wrote:
Georgism wrote:1. Privatise everything/sell it all off for lots of money
2. Keep sales taxes to brig in some money
3. Put all this money towards paying the debt

It's totally foolproof and the only conceivable reason that this hasn't been done already is clearly because of statist big government corruption


Remind me what your grade in AS economics was again?

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Hey, let's not get personal >:(
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Postby Pyroclastic » Wed Jun 01, 2011 3:26 pm

Swkoll wrote:
Pyroclastic wrote:they are cheap


Not true, they are more expensive and extremely more specialized than standard tech.

Also foreign aid is 0.2% of the budget.


yes they are expensive im just saying compared to what we need to do in order to keep the current dominance in teh skies the cost for the new tech of new aircraft is going to explode expodentially?

still that .2% will help alot

Another idea is to raise the price of the grain exports if oil countries raise their prices on oild we should do the same on grain
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Postby Call to power » Wed Jun 01, 2011 3:27 pm

I would ignore the budget and work on why American society is utterly unable to tackle these kind of issues first, suuuure it is all fine and good having some long term goal but pulling Belgian levels of cooperation fudges that up.

Really what I'm saying is America wouldn't have these kind of problems if it was an Islamic Caliphate
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Postby Georgism » Wed Jun 01, 2011 3:36 pm

Call to power wrote:Really what I'm saying is America wouldn't have these kind of problems if it was an Islamic Caliphate

It has been since January 2009.
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Postby Malgrave » Wed Jun 01, 2011 3:45 pm

Stop foreign aid for a year? I'd like to see the situation in Pakistan if that actually happened. Foreign Aid is a minor part of the budget so it's actually better to cut defence spending.

The US Economy is a bloody joke. It's supposed to be the richest country in the world but it's struggling to create basic jobs and it's infrastructure is severely lacking. Construction projects are needed. I would rant on about the benefits about a high-speed rail system but the United States needs to look at it's basic rail and road systems before moving onto such an advanced project.

- Why does the United States maintain the largest military budget in the world and yet get very little in return? They did this for the MOD and found that the Military was paying over £100 for things as simple as lightbulbs. I imagine similar overspending would be present in the DOD combined with the useless projects their dragging along in the hope it will come somewhat useful in the future. Then you'll be left with the real budget for the Military. You can further cut that though cause the cold war finished years ago, the US don't need such a large naval presence anymore considering China don't even have a fully functioning aircraft carrier and the Russian's wont be making any aggressive movements whilst their navy is undergoing modernization (full modernization is to be completed by 2022 I heard).

- Instead of continuing the tax-breaks to the countries richest millionaires and billionaires while they go and create jobs oversea's and cut jobs in the States. Why don't you give specialized tax-breaks to companies in the construction sector, manufacturing sector and other companies who manage to sustainably hire American workers and start projects.

So much more needs to be fixed Education, Healthcare, Social Security it's all one massive joke. In the eyes of the European at least. Could also start a stall $5 to punch Glenn beck or $1million to see Osama's dead body pictures. Quite the money raiser ;)
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Postby Nansurium » Wed Jun 01, 2011 3:58 pm

The level of defense spending in this country is truly outrageous especially considering that our military is far beyond any other in the world from a technological standpoint. The Defense budget absolutely must be slashed perhaps all the way down to 10% of our yearly budget. (This is coming from a proponent of a strong military) In addition, we must reform the entitlement programs in this country. In order to do that I would adopt the Paul Ryan plan in regards to Medicare.
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Postby Malgrave » Wed Jun 01, 2011 4:02 pm

Nansurium wrote:The level of defense spending in this country is truly outrageous especially considering that our military is far beyond any other in the world from a technological standpoint. The Defense budget absolutely must be slashed perhaps all the way down to 10% of our yearly budget. (This is coming from a proponent of a strong military) In addition, we must reform the entitlement programs in this country. In order to do that I would adopt the Paul Ryan plan in regards to Medicare.


You mean scrapping completely and turning into a failed voucher system? Why can't the United States simply catch up with the rest of the civilized world and adopt the French approach. It will actually save money.
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Postby Valrez » Wed Jun 01, 2011 4:06 pm

My plan....

Step 1. Abolish the Federal Reserve
Step 2. Set up a Flat tax of about 12%
Step 3. cut spending to foreign countries
Step 4. Get us out of the war (wars cost lots of $$$)
Step 5. cut spending to all uneccessary programs
Step 6. pay back debts
Step 7. Live prosperously :clap:
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Postby Nansurium » Wed Jun 01, 2011 4:07 pm

Instead of spouting the party or ideological line on the plan I would encourage you to actually educate yourself about it.

And yes the French system works great with all those 9 months waiting lines, yes that sounds quite good.

Watch this video:
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Postby Libertarian Mesa » Wed Jun 01, 2011 4:08 pm

I believe it is time to stop social security and medicare, why should the work of the U.S. government be to care for others? These non-essential services should be reduced, and the debt will fall to pieces like paper in water!

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Postby Georgism » Wed Jun 01, 2011 4:09 pm

Valrez wrote:Step 2. Set up a Flat tax of about 12%

Ewww. It would atleast need a bracket. Say everything under $10-15k (I have no idea of the cost of living in the states) isn't taxed whilst everything over is.

Although I'm not really a fan of flat taxes in general.
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Postby Valrez » Wed Jun 01, 2011 4:12 pm

On a side note, this is my plan for restoring our rights.

Step 1. Repeal the PATRIOT Act
Step 2. Stop TSA bodyscanners and patdowns/gropings
Step 3. Outlaw executive orders
Step 4. Reduce the size of Homeland Security
Step 5. Uphold the constitution
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Postby Nansurium » Wed Jun 01, 2011 4:15 pm

I think that the post regarding the patriot act and what not belongs in a different thread, but yes I would love to have my private phone calls back especially if it means we get car bombs and hijackings every other week. Yes that sounds like a lovely plan... :palm:
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Postby Libertarian Mesa » Wed Jun 01, 2011 4:18 pm

Valrez wrote:On a side note, this is my plan for restoring our rights.

Step 1. Repeal the PATRIOT Act
Step 2. Stop TSA bodyscanners and patdowns/gropings
Step 3. Outlaw executive orders
Step 4. Reduce the size of Homeland Security
Step 5. Uphold the constitution


For step 4: Why should the size of the internal security be reduced? The United States faces many dangerous threats from terrorists. Of all the places to spend less, why should such a vital service to be cut?

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Postby Pyroclastic » Wed Jun 01, 2011 4:30 pm

i do agree with the cutting of defense beauratic tendencies. We spend so much time and money studying stupid stuff instead of actually doing the stuff that matters

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Postby Malgrave » Wed Jun 01, 2011 4:36 pm

Valrez wrote:My plan....

Step 1. Abolish the Federal Reserve
Step 2. Set up a Flat tax of about 12%
Step 3. cut spending to foreign countries
Step 4. Get us out of the war (wars cost lots of $$$)
Step 5. cut spending to all uneccessary programs
Step 6. pay back debts
Step 7. Live prosperously :clap:


Flat rate taxes? Complete failure alert. Also this plan would have to be implemented over several years and it would still fail for the reasons of clarity. You need to explain yourself more. What unneeded programmes? What countries are you cutting aid to? Why abolish the Federal Reserve? Try and explain why flat tax rates are not a utter failure.
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