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Postby Bavin » Sun Aug 09, 2009 10:15 pm

Blouman Empire wrote:
Bavin wrote:Deregulating the economy.


Your opinion
Actually, I would love to see companies run free if they actually took the time to see beyond the next fiscal year, or even quarter, and if they put the excessive greed aside, and worked together for the good of us all. But no, that would make sense, and make them less money, so its not gonna happen.
Tax cuts for the rich.


How does that make someone an idiot?
How much money does one person need? Sure, the first guy in family to get rich will give back some, but their descendants will give back less and less.



But just because someone drops out of college doesn't make them an idiot

No, but it makes them lazy, and do we want a lazy person working at the hardest and most important job in the world? POTUS is a hard job at the best of times, and Obama got it at the worst of times.

I would like to close with the following statement: Better Obama than Palin.
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Postby Bergnovinaia » Sun Aug 09, 2009 10:16 pm

I'm really confused too as to how certain people could REALLY misinterpret my stance and the question.
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Postby Blouman Empire » Sun Aug 09, 2009 10:18 pm

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Wilgrove wrote:How many more of these Obama threads are we going to do?


We won't stop till about 2019.


2013 or so, if the nation comes to its senses.


Obama will be reelected.
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Postby You-Gi-Owe » Sun Aug 09, 2009 10:18 pm

Bergnovinaia wrote:I'm curious to hear why you think people criticize Obama. Don't they realize he inherited a huge mess from Bush and his administration?

I criticize the President because I strongly disagree with his tax and spend policies, that he believes in pulling down the successful rather than uplifting the needy, and that he's an empty-handsome suit that can't lead/control a Congress of his own party.
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Postby Space Libertines » Sun Aug 09, 2009 10:19 pm

Bergnovinaia wrote:I'm curious to hear why you think people criticize Obama. Don't they realize he inherited a huge mess from Bush and his administration?

Well, let's see. Obama voted for the bailout of the banks... And Bush gave the approval. Obama voted to bail out GM... And Bush gave the approval. Bush decided that it was good to have an overstretched imperialistic empire that has caused the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people at the hands of the military industrial complex... And Obama basically has that same foreign policy. So yeah, for the most part there is not much difference in those important aspects. I don't see much Change and Hope.

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Postby Bergnovinaia » Sun Aug 09, 2009 10:19 pm

I would like to close with the following statement: Better Obama than Palin.


No kidding there!
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Postby The Sapian Empire » Sun Aug 09, 2009 10:20 pm

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Viporian wrote:Because he hasn't done anything yet that is good for this country except dig it deeper into a hole. And last time I checked people (Bush) that graduated from Yale aren't idiots, just because you have a weakness at public speaking does not make you an idiot


Yeah but his policies under his era were. For example, (this is in brief) the only requirement for a loan when buying a home is you have to breathe!


Dude, wasn't that Clinton?


what? he want's the Government to MAKE people give anyone that can breathe a loan if they ask for one? SOCIALISM!
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Postby Viporian » Sun Aug 09, 2009 10:20 pm

I would rather wait hours for a bed than if I'm not insured have to pay an astronomical premium for it.[/quote]

I'm sorry but your wrong sir, let me share a story with you. Im suffering from a broken knee right now, I got my MRI in 1 day. My buddy lived in England and broke his knee when he was 15, he had to wait 13 months to get an MRI. By that point his knee had broken in 4 more places because no one knew what was wrong and it took him 2 years before he could walk again. Sounds like a great plan to me, wait so long that your knee dies before anyone will treat you. Hooray for universal healthcare!

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Postby Der Teutoniker » Sun Aug 09, 2009 10:21 pm

Bavin wrote:But no, that would make sense, and make them less money, so its not gonna happen.


For a corporation, it seems like whatever makes money, makes sense. If something does not make money, it doesn't make sense.

I'd recommend a beginner's level economy class.
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Postby Bavin » Sun Aug 09, 2009 10:22 pm

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Bergnovinaia wrote:I'm curious to hear why you think people criticize Obama. Don't they realize he inherited a huge mess from Bush and his administration?

I criticize the President because I strongly disagree with his tax and spend policies, that he believes in pulling down the successful rather than uplifting the needy, and that he's an empty-handsome suit that can't lead/control a Congress of his own party.

Congress is supposed to be independent of POTUS. Unfortunately we seem to have forgotten that.
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Postby Blouman Empire » Sun Aug 09, 2009 10:22 pm

Bavin wrote: Actually, I would love to see companies run free if they actually took the time to see beyond the next fiscal year, or even quarter, and if they put the excessive greed aside, and worked together for the good of us all. But no, that would make sense, and make them less money, so its not gonna happen.


You do know that many companies doplan for the future many years in advance. They look at both the short and long term.

[/quote] How much money does one person need? Sure, the first guy in family to get rich will give back some, but their descendants will give back less and less.[/quote]

Still doesn't show how it made him an idiot.

No, but it makes them lazy, and do we want a lazy person working at the hardest and most important job in the world? POTUS is a hard job at the best of times, and Obama got it at the worst of times.


So what you should have said was Bush is lazy.

And did he drop out? As I say he did get an MBA from Harvard

I would like to close with the following statement: Better Obama than Palin.


Cool story bro, you do know they were running for different positions?
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Postby The Black Forrest » Sun Aug 09, 2009 10:23 pm

Viporian wrote:Because he hasn't done anything yet that is good for this country except dig it deeper into a hole. And last time I checked people (Bush) that graduated from Yale aren't idiots, just because you have a weakness at public speaking does not make you an idiot


The first 2 years are pretty well a waste as you have to clean out/finish/etc the other guys stuff.

Graduating from yale means you aren't an idiot? :rofl:

I can introduce you to a couple that have.
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Postby Der Teutoniker » Sun Aug 09, 2009 10:24 pm

Space Libertines wrote:Well, let's see. Obama voted for the bailout of the banks... And Bush gave the approval. Obama voted to bail out GM... And Bush gave the approval. Bush decided that it was good to have an overstretched imperialistic empire that has caused the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people at the hands of the military industrial complex... And Obama basically has that same foreign policy. So yeah, for the most part there is not much difference in those important aspects. I don't see much Change and Hope.


Are you actually aware of the scope of US Presidential power? He's not a god-emperor, you know.
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Postby Bavin » Sun Aug 09, 2009 10:25 pm

Der Teutoniker wrote:
Bavin wrote:But no, that would make sense, and make them less money, so its not gonna happen.


For a corporation, it seems like whatever makes money, makes sense. If something does not make money, it doesn't make sense.

I'd recommend a beginner's level economy class.

Economically, yes, what makes money makes sense. But coal plants are cheap and produce a lot of energy even though they produce a lot of pollution. But energy companies are moving away from them, and thus moving away from what makes more money, and that makes sense.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Sun Aug 09, 2009 10:25 pm

The South Islands wrote:although I admit its much easier to classify me as a racist fascist redneck conservative and be done with me.


Hmmmmm?

Ok. Where do you live?
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Postby Zergbosha » Sun Aug 09, 2009 10:25 pm

Clamparapa wrote:
Bergnovinaia wrote:I'm curious to hear why you think people criticize Obama. Don't they realize he inherited a huge mess from Bush and his administration?


Who inherited his mess from Clinton. It's an ongoing cycle. I'm angry that Obama hasn't done anything about that Russia incident in Georgia yet. And the healthcare thing. I'm a capitalist/libertarian so it's a no-no for me. (Funny too, cause I live in Canada.)


Umm... Clinton had a balanced budget with a projected 4 trillion dollar surplus at this point in time... so now, bush made the mess, didnt inherit one...

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Postby Space Libertines » Sun Aug 09, 2009 10:26 pm

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Space Libertines wrote:Well, let's see. Obama voted for the bailout of the banks... And Bush gave the approval. Obama voted to bail out GM... And Bush gave the approval. Bush decided that it was good to have an overstretched imperialistic empire that has caused the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people at the hands of the military industrial complex... And Obama basically has that same foreign policy. So yeah, for the most part there is not much difference in those important aspects. I don't see much Change and Hope.


Are you actually aware of the scope of US Presidential power? He's not a god-emperor, you know.

I am. I know he's not. I mean I can apply the same philosophy that they have to probably most members of Congress. But the POTUS is the most visible power figure in the US gov't. So, that is why I don't see much Change and Hope.

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The South Islands wrote:although I admit its much easier to classify me as a racist fascist redneck conservative and be done with me.


Hmmmmm?

Ok. Where do you live?


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Seishin no Ryuu wrote:I just think he is a complete idiot.


If you don't want to look like a complete idiot, you should try to explain why he's a complete idiot.

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Postby Zergbosha » Sun Aug 09, 2009 10:27 pm

Viporian wrote:Because he hasn't done anything yet that is good for this country except dig it deeper into a hole. And last time I checked people (Bush) that graduated from Yale aren't idiots, just because you have a weakness at public speaking does not make you an idiot


because bush's family didn't help that out at all... and obama has done plenty for this nation, but he also has to deal with congress holding him up at every stage.. plus it hasn't even been a year yet...

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Postby Der Teutoniker » Sun Aug 09, 2009 10:28 pm

Bavin wrote:Economically, yes, what makes money makes sense. But coal plants are cheap and produce a lot of energy even though they produce a lot of pollution. But energy companies are moving away from them, and thus moving away from what makes more money, and that makes sense.


Ok, but now you're introducing extra factors. What's more is that the company's aren't moving away from coal because they want less profits, they pursue alternative energy sources because they want to continue making a lot of money in the future, rather than go out of business when coal runs out. So profit is still the motive.
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Postby The Sapian Empire » Sun Aug 09, 2009 10:29 pm

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Bergnovinaia wrote:I'm curious to hear why you think people criticize Obama. Don't they realize he inherited a huge mess from Bush and his administration?

Well, let's see. Obama voted for the bailout of the banks... And Bush gave the approval. Obama voted to bail out GM... And Bush gave the approval. Bush decided that it was good to have an overstretched imperialistic empire that has caused the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people at the hands of the military industrial complex... And Obama basically has that same foreign policy. So yeah, for the most part there is not much difference in those important aspects. I don't see much Change and Hope.


:palm: shh, your "Change" is the US turning into an in-offensive sissy crib. And your "Hope" is the hope for other nations to wipe us out. And why do you liberals always relate military strength to an Empire? If you think that being President gives you any rights to be an Emperor :eyebrow: , then you must obviously have something against the way our Constitution was written. If that's not what you meant, then don't bring up an "Empire". and Military Industrial Complex... i hear liberals use that term a lot too... We manufacture weaponry and make ourselves stronger? Isn't that a good thing? If you don't want our military to be strong, then you must be plotting to weaken us so one of the many contries that hates us can invade... :roll:
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Postby Hairless Kitten II » Sun Aug 09, 2009 10:29 pm

Wilgrove wrote:How many more of these Obama threads are we going to do?


Exactly, I really start to hate Obama :)

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Postby Frangland » Sun Aug 09, 2009 10:30 pm

Bergnovinaia wrote:
Bavin wrote:
Viporian wrote:Because he hasn't done anything yet that is good for this country except dig it deeper into a hole. And last time I checked people (Bush) that graduated from Yale aren't idiots, just because you have a weakness at public speaking does not make you an idiot


How is Bush and idiot? Shall I name the ways...

Deregulating the economy.
-- Our ideal is Free Enterprise/Capitalism. Next...

Tax cuts for the rich.
--...who employ most of us, provide investment opportunities for most of us, etc. Next...

Invading whatever country happens to piss him off.
-- You're right, Saddam and the Taliban were just fine. In which circumstances would you want to free a people from tyrannical persecution? Or do you only say that you stand for freedom? Next...
Letting Cheney screw with the Constitution.

Putting security before freedom.
-- I, for one, am happy to be alive. I hope Obama protects us as well as Bush did. If we are dead we cannot enjoy our #2 Constitutional right, Liberty. Next...

And I believe he flunked out of Yale. Or was that Harvard?


No, he graduated with (I think) a C average... a better Ivy League GPA than at least one of his election competitors. Next...

Bonus points for W: He kept our economic ideals. NOT SOCIALISM.
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