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One of California's underfunded prisons riots, 250 Injured

Postby Neu California » Sun Aug 09, 2009 9:24 pm

LA Times wrote:Chino prison riot quelled, but Southern California prisons remain locked down
12:20 PM | August 9, 2009
An overnight riot between African American and Latino inmates inside a Chino prison has been quelled, but the facility and other Southern California prisons remain in lockdown today, authorities said.

Prison officers at the California Institute for Men cleared out a series of barracks where some 1,300 inmates had started rioting Saturday night, officials said.

More than 250 inmates suffered injuries -- including small cuts, serious stab wounds and head trauma -- in the disturbance, the largest since December 2006, according to Lt. Mark Hargrove.

Most of the injured were treated at the prison; 55 had to be taken to nearby hospitals.

The riot erupted at 8:20 p.m. Saturday in medium-security, dormitory-style barracks. The fighting quickly spread to six other barracks and lasted until around midnight.

“When you start rioting 200 in a unit, everyone knows it,” said Hargrove.

A fire ignited during the chaos and caused significant damage to one of the buildings.

At least 80 officers surrounded the barracks and ordered inmates to come out. Hargrove said they sprayed pepper spray, used batons and shot foam projectiles to remove inmates who had barricaded themselves inside. By 7 a.m. today, the barracks were clear, and all the inmates were being treated for injuries or had been locked in other units.

All prisons in Southern California were put on lockdown as a result of the riot. Visitation was suspended until further notice, officials said.

Investigators were still determining the cause of the melee and what sparked the fire. They planned to take an inventory of weapons found at the scene.

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So what can be done to keep this sort of thing from happening, other than actually properly funding the prisons, and revoking three strikes (AKA 3 nonviolent felonies, you're gone for good)?
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Postby Clamparapa » Sun Aug 09, 2009 9:27 pm

Not much without funding. Maybe they were bored. A bit of hard labour will cure that up good.

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Postby Greed and Death » Sun Aug 09, 2009 9:31 pm

Send them to Texas we have this chair.
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Postby The South Islands » Sun Aug 09, 2009 9:44 pm

Alaskan prison colonies.
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Postby Clamparapa » Sun Aug 09, 2009 9:45 pm

The South Islands wrote:Alaskan prison colonies.


This.

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Postby Neu California » Sun Aug 09, 2009 9:47 pm

The South Islands wrote:Alaskan prison colonies.

Me likey, especially if Shwarzenegger is among the first one to go up there
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Postby Ernst_Rohm » Sun Aug 09, 2009 9:53 pm

The South Islands wrote:Alaskan prison colonies.
i would think you would have real legal problems sending california state prisoners to alaska, or texas for that matter. even if it was constitutional in both states there would still be the matter of public sentiment and compensation i can image any state would take another states prisoners gratis and california is broke.

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Postby The South Islands » Sun Aug 09, 2009 9:55 pm

Ernst_Rohm wrote:
The South Islands wrote:Alaskan prison colonies.
i would think you would have real legal problems sending california state prisoners to alaska, or texas for that matter. even if it was constitutional in both states there would still be the matter of public sentiment and compensation i can image any state would take another states prisoners gratis and california is broke.


Have Alaska lease an island to California.

Problem solved.
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Postby Christmahanikwanzikah » Sun Aug 09, 2009 10:04 pm

@ OP: Do you live in the Inland Valley? Do you read the Daily Bulletin?

There were a few articles in a series a while ago reporting on CIM showing how poor the conditions in the prison are. Even before the state knew it had to furlough its employees, CIM suffered from building degredation, staffing problems and subpar conditions.

Doesn't surprise me to hear about this.

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Postby Ernst_Rohm » Sun Aug 09, 2009 10:08 pm

The South Islands wrote:
Ernst_Rohm wrote:
The South Islands wrote:Alaskan prison colonies.
i would think you would have real legal problems sending california state prisoners to alaska, or texas for that matter. even if it was constitutional in both states there would still be the matter of public sentiment and compensation i can image any state would take another states prisoners gratis and california is broke.


Have Alaska lease an island to California.

Problem solved.
yeah okay that might work... maybe

Attu Island might do nicely


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attu_Island

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Postby The South Islands » Sun Aug 09, 2009 10:11 pm

Ernst_Rohm wrote:
The South Islands wrote:
Ernst_Rohm wrote: i would think you would have real legal problems sending california state prisoners to alaska, or texas for that matter. even if it was constitutional in both states there would still be the matter of public sentiment and compensation i can image any state would take another states prisoners gratis and california is broke.


Have Alaska lease an island to California.

Problem solved.
yeah okay that might work... maybe

Attu Island might do nicely


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attu_Island


I was thinking someplace smaller.

Dump a bunch of lifers there, give them some basic construction materials and a limited supply of food, a bunch of books on farming, construction etc, and leave them there, dumping new inmates/colonists there every so often. And perhaps some supplies they can't manufacture.
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Postby Neu California » Sun Aug 09, 2009 10:12 pm

Christmahanikwanzikah wrote:@ OP: Do you live in the Inland Valley?
I live in the Inland Empire, which may be the same place as the Inland Valley I don't hear that term much here in Rialto

Do you read the Daily Bulletin?
No, I tend to get my news from online sources, though I probably should take to reading the paper

There were a few articles in a series a while ago reporting on CIM showing how poor the conditions in the prison are. Even before the state knew it had to furlough its employees, CIM suffered from building degredation, staffing problems and subpar conditions.

Doesn't surprise me to hear about this.

Doesn't suprise me either. As they said on BBC World News America "Californians want to lock up prisoners for longer periods of time, but [we] don't want to pay for it."
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Postby Christmahanikwanzikah » Sun Aug 09, 2009 11:14 pm

Neu California wrote:
Christmahanikwanzikah wrote:@ OP: Do you live in the Inland Valley?
I live in the Inland Empire, which may be the same place as the Inland Valley I don't hear that term much here in Rialto


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Inland Empire, yeah. That.

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Postby Christmahanikwanzikah » Sun Aug 09, 2009 11:17 pm

What, exactly, does the lockdown do for inmates in other prisons? Do they not release inmates that have served their time, or do they implement extra security measures?

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Postby Neu California » Sun Aug 09, 2009 11:51 pm

Christmahanikwanzikah wrote:What, exactly, does the lockdown do for inmates in other prisons? Do they not release inmates that have served their time, or do they implement extra security measures?

They're locked in their cells 23 hours a day. Those who are set for release, are let out I believe
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Postby Pope Joan » Sun Aug 09, 2009 11:52 pm

I'd bet that if Cali put all the lesser drug possessors on immediate parole, there would be no more crowding.

Those guys were never a threat to law and order anyway.

People act as if drugs are worse than Madoff embezzling billions; they're not.

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HADAR AVIRAM: California prisons are at almost 200 percent capacity. There's no way to sustain it. We have a lot of people in California prisons who shouldn't be in prison — for nonviolent theft, marijuana, other nonviolent drug offenders charged with simple possession, or technical parole violations such as dirty drug tests or not contacting their parole officer or being somewhere they shouldn't — all of which are not violent offenses. But they go back to prison anyway.

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HA: My answer to this — and it's kind of a sad answer: The people in politics have been seized by a very punitive direction. It's very, very difficult to get elected in America with a "soft-on-crime" approach. So the three-strikes law, the variety of offenses for sex offenders, longer sentences, increasing legislation more and more with the war on drugs — it's this thing we've been doing. And it's not working.

ESQ: So it's really the public's fault.

HA: Research consistently shows that when the public is made aware of the alternatives and the costs, they opt for less punitive approaches. But people don't know what's going on in prisons. They are invisible.

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Postby Abstain X » Sun Aug 09, 2009 11:53 pm

Medium security to maximum?
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Postby Eofaerwic » Mon Aug 10, 2009 12:49 am

Doesn't surprise me, you treat people like animals and unsurprisingly they act like it. Barring putting people on lockdown permanently, keeping discipline in prisons does require the cooperation of the prisoners. The best controls on behaviour are in terms of social controls, break down a level of the 'us'/'them' and ensure that prisoners see the guards as people and vice versa.

In terms of what can be done, well more funding definitly needed, better prison conditions, release of non-violent prisoners (overcrowding is always a significant issue in prison) these are all no-brainers. Implementation of rehabilitation programs, reward systems (token economies are very effective) and a change in prison culture and especially prison guard attitude, moving away from merely punitive to actually having a welfare role as well.
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Postby Cameroi » Mon Aug 10, 2009 1:12 am

do we also have overfunded prison riots?
just curious.

if we do, i'm also curious who's funding them,
as i'm sure the department of correction would also most likely be.
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Postby Ryadn » Mon Aug 10, 2009 1:18 am

*wishing hard* Please don't be San Quentin, please don't be San Quentin...

*peeks at article*

Ha! Thank god!

...um. It's still really, really bad, though.
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Postby EvilDarkMagicians » Mon Aug 10, 2009 1:28 am

Prisons are not right to me anyways..there must be some other way of punishing criminals.
Just need to think of it.

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Postby Ryadn » Mon Aug 10, 2009 1:33 am

EvilDarkMagicians wrote:Prisons are not right to me anyways..there must be some other way of punishing criminals.
Just need to think of it.


Kafka whipped up a lovely little solution in "The Penal Colony".

...of course, the cost of the restraints and machinery needed would run up expenses...
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Postby UnhealthyTruthseeker » Mon Aug 10, 2009 1:36 am

Legalizing and taxing drugs should do a lot.
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Postby Cameroi » Mon Aug 10, 2009 1:37 am

Ryadn wrote:
EvilDarkMagicians wrote:Prisons are not right to me anyways..there must be some other way of punishing criminals.
Just need to think of it.


Kafka whipped up a lovely little solution in "The Penal Colony".

...of course, the cost of the restraints and machinery needed would run up expenses...


there IS something called DIStraint, which basically means any way of denying the miscreant the opportunity to repeat their specific offense.
(which is the only thing locking someone up can reasonably be expected to accomplish anyway)

of course it would also be possible, even desirable, for a so called department of corrections, NOT to foster racial animosity.
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Postby Jello Biafra » Tue Aug 11, 2009 5:18 pm

Is this one of the state's prisons, or one of the private prisons?

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