NATION

PASSWORD

Updated Republican Nomination

For discussion and debate about anything. (Not a roleplay related forum; out-of-character commentary only.)

Advertisement

Remove ads

Which Republican will you be VOTING for in the republican nomination

Mitt Romney (Former governor of Massachusetts)
7
12%
Ron Paul (TX Congressman)
24
40%
Tim Pawlenty ( Former Governor of Minnesota)
4
7%
Rick Santorom (Senator)
0
No votes
Michelle Bachman
5
8%
Newt Gingrich
2
3%
Gary Johnson
7
12%
Other
11
18%
 
Total votes : 60

User avatar
Terra Agora
Negotiator
 
Posts: 5797
Founded: Mar 25, 2011
Ex-Nation

Postby Terra Agora » Fri May 27, 2011 2:04 pm

Soviet Haaregrad wrote:
Terra Agora wrote:My main problem with GJ is he doesn't want to (or hasn't yet stated that he wants to) end the war on drugs. He says he wants to legalize weed and tax it. Which I am against. I dont think it should be taxed.


Then grow your own and let suckers buy commercial weed and pay tax on it.

True
AKA Mercator Terra
My Beliefs
“If a tyrant is one man and his subjects are many, why do they consent to their own enslavement?”- Étienne De La Boétie
“It’s too bad that stupidity isn’t painful.” - Anton Szandor LaVey
"Liberty is the mother, not the daughter, of order." Pierre-Joseph Proudhon
"Freedom" awakens your rage against everything that is not you; "egoism" calls you to joy over yourselves, to self-enjoyment."-Max Stirner
" A man is no less a slave because he is allowed to choose a new master once in a term of years." - Lynsander Spooner
"The world is indeed comic, but the joke is on mankind." - H.P. Lovecraft
"Morality is a device for controlling the gullible with words." - L A Rollins

User avatar
Alien Space Bats
Postmaster-General
 
Posts: 10073
Founded: Sep 28, 2009
Ex-Nation

Re: Updated Republican Nomination

Postby Alien Space Bats » Fri May 27, 2011 2:09 pm

This is about as pathetic a field as it gets.

It's going to become even more pathetic when Sarah Palin announces that she's not going to run.

The Republicans won't nominate Mitt Romney unless every other candidate in the race falls flat on their faces - which is actually possible, considering the weakness of the field. If Romney does win, his inability to inspire Republicans will be a disaster for the ticket across the board, as conservatives tend to show their displeasure with the GOP by staying home.

Democrats, OTOH, will not be staying home, and that combination means that Romney and the rest of the GOP ticket would get wiped out in an utter landslide.



Newt Gingrich isn't much better. For a moment - specifically, his first 48 hours - I thought he might be able to capture the imagination of a right wing that's desperately seeking someone to stop Romney from getting the nod. But then he went on Meet the Press and tried to be a responsible moderate. That was a huge mistake; even though he's been backpedaling while eating Cajun-style hot peppered crow, it's not enough. He'll never win the trust of the far right now, and the far right are the GOP's kingmakers these days.

So basically, he's done. His number right now reflect a lack of alternatives more than any real support. I don't expect him to survive New Hampshire.



The "Draft Somebody, Anybody" is fast running out of hopefuls. Chris Christie says he won't run and he won't run, but that won't stop the GOP Draft Board from trying. When he finally makes it clear he's out, they'll turn to Jeb Bush, but Jeb isn't going to waste himself on a 2012 bid, either. At that point, the GOP establishment will finally move from the First Stage of Grief (Denial and Isolation) to the Second Stage of Grief (Anger), although they dare not direct that anger at the Tea-Party right, so the Beltway Press Machine will probably get spun some tale about how the media's tendency to tear people down has forced all these Good Republicans out of consideration. That, of course, is not it - but it should make a good story for a week or two.

After Anger comes the Third Stage of Grief (Bargaining), which will involve trying to persuade the far-right to tone it down a bit so that "disaffected Democrats" and "moderate independents" can be pried away from Obama. I'm going to laugh my balls off at that particular negotiation, and wait for the Fourth Stage of Grief (Depression) to set in...



Tim Pawlenty. Yeah. Not much to say here, really. T-Paw wouldn't be half as pathetic if he hadn't spent the last six months trying to reinvent himself as something else. I'm still thinking that Pawlenty is running for the VP slot, and I'm still thinking that he's going to get it (unless Michelle Bachman secures the nomination), but the weakness of the field is such that Pawlenty could actually manage to win the nomination in the same way Romney could - if everybody else just drops dead. Pawlenty's moment will come sometime after Romney's nomination melts down (which will begin in South Carolina; if the GOP were sane, Michigan would kill him, but it's a sign of how crazy the GOP is this year that Romney's infamous "Let Detroit Go Bankrupt" editorial back in 2008 isn't going to hurt him in the Michigan primary [because Michigan Republicans actually think that letting GM go under somehow would have been good for the State; that should tell you something about the degree to which the local GOP here is out of touch with the populace!]). No, I expect that Super Tuesday will be his undoing, as the majority of GOP delegates from that huge harvest end up going into the "uncommitted" bucket.

Still, there's a remote chance T-Paw might win the nomination, followed by an even more remote chance of him winning. I can't visualize such a scenario, but I'm sure I'll be forced to imagine weirder things before this campaign season is over.



I'm sorry, but I just cannot conceive of Ron Paul winning the nomination. He's just too... too... too...

Yeah. That.

'Nuff said.



Gary Johnson, John Huntsman, Herman Cain, and the rest just do not have the money or the organization to pull off something as complex as winning a nomination. Huntsman comes the closest, but he suffers the same problems Romney does, plus the added problem of essentially being reliant on the existing GOP establishment to pull him through. Well, if they were going to pick him as their White Knight, they'd have done that months ago instead of wooing Mitch Daniels, and then chasing Chris Christie, and then...

No, this isn't going to be the year some really dark horse won the nomination, because the days when really dark horses could win the nomination ended a long time ago.



That leaves Michelle Bachman, and something tells me - as insane as it sounds - that she's the one who's probably going to take the brass ring. She can win Iowa if she's willing to commit the resources and make the effort; because Romney is considered a "favorite son" in New Hampshire, she gets a pass there, allowing her to set up an ambush in South Carolina, which is an ideal State for her to pull such an ambush off. From there, all she has to do is compete in Michigan (which she probably can do if she can grab the Tea-Party right and make it her own) to be Romney's equal; from there, it's a matter of letting the also-rans fold, grabbing their cards, and then watching as Romney's campaign self-destructs.

The problem is that Bachman can't possibly beat Obama in November of 2012. The best she can do is get enough Republicans to turn out to save the party from an utter disaster across the rest of the ticket. To be honest, as counter-intuitive as this may be, she may well be the best person to do that. That flies in the face of the Conventional Wisdom, which says that running the most radical Republican since Barry Goldwater against a sitting President is suicide, but the old political rules don't apply any more, so doubling down on a hard-right candidate who can pretend to be less crazy than she is may actually succeed in limited the Republicans' losses.



In the final analysis, while no Presidential contest is certain, 2012 is shaping up to be a very, very bad year for the GOP - and a very good year for the Democrats. How good a year remains to be seen, and there's always room for the Democrats to screw things up (especially because screwing things up is something the Democratic Party does exceptionally well). But barring unforeseen events and calamitous mistakes, I think Obama is likely to come back in January of 2013 to a Democratic Congress - although not a filibuster-proof one, given that the Senate is probably the one place the GOP has some real opportunities.
Last edited by Alien Space Bats on Fri May 27, 2011 2:13 pm, edited 2 times in total.
"These states are just saying 'Yes, I used to beat my girlfriend, but I haven't since the restraining order, so we don't need it anymore.'" — Stephen Colbert, Comedian, on Shelby County v. Holder

"Do you see how policing blacks by the presumption of guilt and policing whites by the presumption of innocence is a self-reinforcing mechanism?" — Touré Neblett, MSNBC Commentator and Social Critic

"You knew damn well I was a snake before you took me in."Songwriter Oscar Brown in 1963, foretelling the election of Donald J. Trump

President Donald J. Trump: Working Tirelessly to Make Russia Great Again

User avatar
Soviet Haaregrad
Post Marshal
 
Posts: 15292
Founded: Antiquity
Left-wing Utopia

Postby Soviet Haaregrad » Fri May 27, 2011 2:11 pm

Terra Agora wrote:
Soviet Haaregrad wrote:
Then grow your own and let suckers buy commercial weed and pay tax on it.

True


That's the main reason I always argue for 'legalize it, and tax it'. As long as you can't be forced to only buy from a source that's forced to charge tax on it you have the best of both worlds, lazy people can buy it from a store, have the taxes collected on it go towards something else (even reducing taxes in other areas, and it's not like taxing it is any morally better/worse than collecting taxes in other ways) and those who don't approve of taxes being collected on it, or who wish to save money, or who would just prefer can grow it for themselves.
I reserve the right to ignore wank, furries/scalies, elves, magic, other fantasy vermin & absurd populations. Haters gonna hate.
RP Population: 1760//76 million//1920 104 million//1960 209 million//1992 238 million
81% Economic Leftist, 56% Anarchist, 79% Anti-Militarist, 89% Socio-Cultural Liberal, 73% Civil Libertarian
NSG Sodomy Club, CSO
Imperial Wizard of the NS Knights of Ordo Logica
Privatization of collectively owned property is theft.
The Confederacy of Independent Socialist Republics
FACTBOOK
ART


Jesus was black, Ronald Reagan was the devil and the government is lying about 9/11.

User avatar
Wamitoria
Post Marshal
 
Posts: 18852
Founded: Jun 28, 2010
Ex-Nation

Postby Wamitoria » Fri May 27, 2011 2:12 pm

Alien Space Bats wrote:the Senate is probably the one place the GOP has some real opportunities.

With the whole, "kill medicare" thing, those opportunities are fast eroding.
Wonder where all the good posters went? Look no further!

Hurry, before the Summer Nazis show up again!

User avatar
North Americax
Spokesperson
 
Posts: 102
Founded: Dec 23, 2010
Ex-Nation

Postby North Americax » Mon May 30, 2011 9:44 am

Rep Ron Paul 50%
WOW
The only thing that saves us from the bureaucracy is inefficiency. An efficient bureaucracy is the greatest threat to liberty.
Eugene McCarthy, Time magazine, Feb. 12, 1979
US politician (1916 - 2005)

User avatar
North Americax
Spokesperson
 
Posts: 102
Founded: Dec 23, 2010
Ex-Nation

Postby North Americax » Mon May 30, 2011 9:44 am

Need more votes
The only thing that saves us from the bureaucracy is inefficiency. An efficient bureaucracy is the greatest threat to liberty.
Eugene McCarthy, Time magazine, Feb. 12, 1979
US politician (1916 - 2005)

User avatar
Christian Germany
Political Columnist
 
Posts: 4
Founded: Feb 26, 2011
Ex-Nation

Postby Christian Germany » Mon May 30, 2011 9:46 am

I guess Ron Paul is going ro win

User avatar
Fnordgasm 5
Senator
 
Posts: 3749
Founded: Nov 15, 2007
Ex-Nation

Postby Fnordgasm 5 » Mon May 30, 2011 9:47 am

Which one supports a ban on talking about elections which are 18 months away? Because I would support him.
Fnordgasm 5 is a twat.

User avatar
CRC Banking
Political Columnist
 
Posts: 4
Founded: Feb 26, 2011
Ex-Nation

Postby CRC Banking » Mon May 30, 2011 9:48 am

Fnordgasm 5 wrote:Which one supports a ban on talking about elections which are 18 months away? Because I would support him.

That would violate free speech tard

User avatar
Ashmoria
Post Czar
 
Posts: 46718
Founded: Mar 19, 2004
Left-Leaning College State

Postby Ashmoria » Mon May 30, 2011 9:50 am

*shudder*

maybe tim pawlenty wouldnt be the worst thing ever. as long as no one wants a nominee with personality.
whatever

User avatar
Greater Tezdrian
Negotiator
 
Posts: 7249
Founded: Feb 27, 2010
Ex-Nation

Postby Greater Tezdrian » Mon May 30, 2011 9:51 am

None of them, they're all batshit insane.
Puppetmaster for Hashemite Arabiyah

User avatar
Coffee Cakes
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 67399
Founded: Sep 19, 2010
Ex-Nation

Postby Coffee Cakes » Mon May 30, 2011 9:51 am

WTF?!!

How does EVERY GOP poll here forget Herman Cain? >:( :evil: :twisted:

The Cain Train is rolling, whether people like it or not.
Transnapastain wrote:CC!

Posting mod mistakes now are we?

Well, sir, you can have a Vindictive warning for making us look incompetent
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:You're Invisi Gay. Super hero of the Rainbow Equality Brigade!
Nana wrote:Being CC's bf is a death worse than fate.
Nana wrote:Finally, another reasonable individual.
Nana wrote: You're Ben. And Ben is many things wrapped into one being. :)
NSG Sodomy Club Member.
RIP WHYLT 11/14/2010-8/15/2011
Geniasis wrote:I've seen people lose credibility. It's been a while since I've seen it cast aside so gleefully.
Quotes Singing Contest of DOOM Champ. Softball
NS Kart Reppy Kart.


Asperger's
Satan's Apprentice Colleague
Lian's precious snowflake
Callie's Adorbs/Loyal Knight Prince's TET Husband

User avatar
Markanite
Spokesperson
 
Posts: 122
Founded: Dec 28, 2009
Democratic Socialists

Postby Markanite » Mon May 30, 2011 9:52 am

I'm surprised Palin isn't on this list, I think her recent actions have sorta stated shes looking to go for it.
Chief Executive of 10000 islands.

User avatar
CRC Banking
Political Columnist
 
Posts: 4
Founded: Feb 26, 2011
Ex-Nation

Postby CRC Banking » Mon May 30, 2011 9:52 am

Coffee Cakes wrote:WTF?!!

How does EVERY GOP poll here forget Herman Cain? >:( :evil: :twisted:

The Cain Train is rolling, whether people like it or not.


Herman Cain already said he would put a muslim in his cabinet. He is a warmonger flip flopper. RP 12!

User avatar
Fnordgasm 5
Senator
 
Posts: 3749
Founded: Nov 15, 2007
Ex-Nation

Postby Fnordgasm 5 » Mon May 30, 2011 9:53 am

CRC Banking wrote:
Fnordgasm 5 wrote:Which one supports a ban on talking about elections which are 18 months away? Because I would support him.

That would violate free speech tard

So which one then?
Fnordgasm 5 is a twat.

User avatar
The Cat-Tribe
Negotiator
 
Posts: 5548
Founded: Jan 18, 2005
Ex-Nation

Postby The Cat-Tribe » Mon May 30, 2011 9:53 am

Terra Agora wrote:
Wamitoria wrote:Bachmann's the only one likely to win on your list.

Bachmann is a old cunt, hopefully the rest of the GOP will pick up on that.

I strongly loathe Bachmann, but is language that is beneath even her really necessary? Your post speaks more about your character than hers.
I quit (again).
The Altani Confederacy wrote:
The Cat-Tribe wrote:With that, I am done with these shenanigans. Do as thou wilt.

Can't miss you until you're gone, Ambassador. Seriously, your delegation is like one of those stores that has a "Going Out Of Business" sale for twenty years. Stay or go, already.*snip*
"Don't give me no shit because . . . I've been Tired . . ." ~ Pixies
With that, "he put his boots on, he took a face from the Ancient Gallery, and he walked on down the Hall . . ."

User avatar
Coffee Cakes
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 67399
Founded: Sep 19, 2010
Ex-Nation

Postby Coffee Cakes » Mon May 30, 2011 9:53 am

CRC Banking wrote:
Coffee Cakes wrote:WTF?!!

How does EVERY GOP poll here forget Herman Cain? >:( :evil: :twisted:

The Cain Train is rolling, whether people like it or not.


Herman Cain already said he would put a muslim in his cabinet. He is a warmonger flip flopper. RP 12!


Eh, wot? :eyebrow:
Transnapastain wrote:CC!

Posting mod mistakes now are we?

Well, sir, you can have a Vindictive warning for making us look incompetent
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:You're Invisi Gay. Super hero of the Rainbow Equality Brigade!
Nana wrote:Being CC's bf is a death worse than fate.
Nana wrote:Finally, another reasonable individual.
Nana wrote: You're Ben. And Ben is many things wrapped into one being. :)
NSG Sodomy Club Member.
RIP WHYLT 11/14/2010-8/15/2011
Geniasis wrote:I've seen people lose credibility. It's been a while since I've seen it cast aside so gleefully.
Quotes Singing Contest of DOOM Champ. Softball
NS Kart Reppy Kart.


Asperger's
Satan's Apprentice Colleague
Lian's precious snowflake
Callie's Adorbs/Loyal Knight Prince's TET Husband

User avatar
Greater Tezdrian
Negotiator
 
Posts: 7249
Founded: Feb 27, 2010
Ex-Nation

Postby Greater Tezdrian » Mon May 30, 2011 9:54 am

CRC Banking wrote:
Fnordgasm 5 wrote:Which one supports a ban on talking about elections which are 18 months away? Because I would support him.

That would violate free speech tard

(a. Don't insult people.
(b. They were being sarcastic,
Puppetmaster for Hashemite Arabiyah

User avatar
The Cat-Tribe
Negotiator
 
Posts: 5548
Founded: Jan 18, 2005
Ex-Nation

Postby The Cat-Tribe » Mon May 30, 2011 9:54 am

BTW, as a Democrat, I love this list. President Obama's re-election is practically guaranteed!
I quit (again).
The Altani Confederacy wrote:
The Cat-Tribe wrote:With that, I am done with these shenanigans. Do as thou wilt.

Can't miss you until you're gone, Ambassador. Seriously, your delegation is like one of those stores that has a "Going Out Of Business" sale for twenty years. Stay or go, already.*snip*
"Don't give me no shit because . . . I've been Tired . . ." ~ Pixies
With that, "he put his boots on, he took a face from the Ancient Gallery, and he walked on down the Hall . . ."

User avatar
Greater Tezdrian
Negotiator
 
Posts: 7249
Founded: Feb 27, 2010
Ex-Nation

Postby Greater Tezdrian » Mon May 30, 2011 9:54 am

CRC Banking wrote:
Coffee Cakes wrote:WTF?!!

How does EVERY GOP poll here forget Herman Cain? >:( :evil: :twisted:

The Cain Train is rolling, whether people like it or not.


Herman Cain already said he would put a muslim in his cabinet. He is a warmonger flip flopper. RP 12!

And what is wrong with putting a Muslim in Cabinet?
Puppetmaster for Hashemite Arabiyah

User avatar
Terra Agora
Negotiator
 
Posts: 5797
Founded: Mar 25, 2011
Ex-Nation

Postby Terra Agora » Mon May 30, 2011 9:57 am

The Cat-Tribe wrote:
Terra Agora wrote:Bachmann is a old cunt, hopefully the rest of the GOP will pick up on that.

I strongly loathe Bachmann, but is language that is beneath even her really necessary? Your post speaks more about your character than hers.

Yes its necessary.
Dont like it? Then ignore it.
AKA Mercator Terra
My Beliefs
“If a tyrant is one man and his subjects are many, why do they consent to their own enslavement?”- Étienne De La Boétie
“It’s too bad that stupidity isn’t painful.” - Anton Szandor LaVey
"Liberty is the mother, not the daughter, of order." Pierre-Joseph Proudhon
"Freedom" awakens your rage against everything that is not you; "egoism" calls you to joy over yourselves, to self-enjoyment."-Max Stirner
" A man is no less a slave because he is allowed to choose a new master once in a term of years." - Lynsander Spooner
"The world is indeed comic, but the joke is on mankind." - H.P. Lovecraft
"Morality is a device for controlling the gullible with words." - L A Rollins

User avatar
North Americax
Spokesperson
 
Posts: 102
Founded: Dec 23, 2010
Ex-Nation

Postby North Americax » Mon May 30, 2011 9:57 am

Greater Tezdrian wrote:
CRC Banking wrote:
Herman Cain already said he would put a muslim in his cabinet. He is a warmonger flip flopper. RP 12!

And what is wrong with putting a Muslim in Cabinet?

Um... You cannot give muslims power... it just never worked out and never will look at the middle east. The only reason muslims are not killing us here in the U.S is because they are still the minority. Do you think they would allow Christians,Atheist, and whatever wasn't their religion if they were the majority here?
Last edited by North Americax on Mon May 30, 2011 9:58 am, edited 1 time in total.
The only thing that saves us from the bureaucracy is inefficiency. An efficient bureaucracy is the greatest threat to liberty.
Eugene McCarthy, Time magazine, Feb. 12, 1979
US politician (1916 - 2005)

User avatar
Alixanderia
Envoy
 
Posts: 282
Founded: Apr 04, 2011
Ex-Nation

Postby Alixanderia » Mon May 30, 2011 9:59 am

The Cat-Tribe wrote:BTW, as a Democrat, I love this list. President Obama's re-election is practically guaranteed!

Hopefully! :D

If Bachmann gets it by some terrible, terrible chance, then... I say everyone, bomb America before the suffering begins! D8

User avatar
Greater Tezdrian
Negotiator
 
Posts: 7249
Founded: Feb 27, 2010
Ex-Nation

Postby Greater Tezdrian » Mon May 30, 2011 10:00 am

North Americax wrote:
Greater Tezdrian wrote:And what is wrong with putting a Muslim in Cabinet?

Um... You cannot give muslims power... it just never worked out and never will look at the middle east. The only reason muslims are killing us here in the U.S is because they are still the minority. Do you think they would allow Christians,Atheist, and whatever wasn't their religion if they were the majority here?


That statement exudes stupidity. There are Muslims at all levels of government including the Senate and House of Representatives. And yet we are not ruled through Sharia law. In addition to that, outlawing other forms of religion would be impossible as it is unconstitutional. Try again.
Puppetmaster for Hashemite Arabiyah

User avatar
North Americax
Spokesperson
 
Posts: 102
Founded: Dec 23, 2010
Ex-Nation

Postby North Americax » Mon May 30, 2011 10:00 am

Alixanderia wrote:
The Cat-Tribe wrote:BTW, as a Democrat, I love this list. President Obama's re-election is practically guaranteed!

Hopefully! :D

If Bachmann gets it by some terrible, terrible chance, then... I say everyone, bomb America before the suffering begins! D8

No people, The "smart" democrats if there are any will realize that the unemployment, gas prices, wars, economy wasn't fixed with obama
The only thing that saves us from the bureaucracy is inefficiency. An efficient bureaucracy is the greatest threat to liberty.
Eugene McCarthy, Time magazine, Feb. 12, 1979
US politician (1916 - 2005)

PreviousNext

Advertisement

Remove ads

Return to General

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Abaro, Aggicificicerous, American Legionaries, Duvniask, El Lazaro, Hispida, Necroghastia, Pizza Friday Forever91, Port Caverton, Shrillland, The United Penguin Commonwealth, Xind

Advertisement

Remove ads