Genderless Child Controversy

[Ceannairceach]

So we should fault the parents or child for the hypothetical situation that may occur, in which the child is tormented by others? How does that work? As I said earlier, do we prosecute victims now?

No, we don't fault them. I censure what the parents do because it creates unnecessary attention and possible future bullying.

And? The parents are giving the child the ability to do what it wishes with its life, something I wish my parents had done. If others mock Storm of it, then its their problem, not Storm's or his or her parents.

[GBeckastania]

...They're left-wing. So I used one of the most extreme left-wing people to portray that they're not even on the political chart. They're in /dev/null.

Mmkay... Now, why are they stupid, exactly? Rather smart, actually, giving the child the ability to decide what it wants to be.

Seeing as it is a decision on personal freedom, I would say it is wise/unwise or, based on the idea of personal freedoms, liberal/conservative. You can't really say whether personal freedom is smart or stupid, its execution can be smart or stupid, but not the idea itself.

[Unicario]

Mostly because the child's sex and gender is determined by genes. That child, if they naturally feel compelled to the other side of the gender fence, they can decide so. Children should be the gender they are supposed to be because well... think about it. Children who are "genderless" are more likely to have major gender confusion when they grow up, and in the short-term, are expelled from many social outfits.

That one kid, Jazz, was pushed out of a group who didn't want to play with he-she.

It's like that kid that was given the middle name Adolf. He was set up for social exile for the rest of his natural life.

[Cartfartium]

This will just blow up in the parent's faces when the child hits high school. This is another bullying suicide case waiting to happen.

Which is exactly what I think. These parents have made their children's lives a much harder just to make a political point.

Agreed. I wouldn't want to become an adult and realize that my entire childhood I was a tool in my parents eyes for attention and to make a point. And I also wouldn't want my parents and brothers/sisters to be complete fruitcakes, either.

[Ceannairceach]

Mostly because the child's sex and gender is determined by genes. That child, if they naturally feel compelled to the other side of the gender fence, they can decide so. Children should be the gender they are supposed to be because well... think about it. Children who are "genderless" are more likely to have major gender confusion when they grow up, and in the short-term, are expelled from many social outfits.

That one kid, Jazz, was pushed out of a group who didn't want to play with he-she.

It's like that kid that was given the middle name Adolf. He was set up for social exile for the rest of his natural life.

The child won't be genderless forever; they are going to let the Storm decide for itself if its a boy or girl, not tell it that it's one or the other.

[Ceannairceach]

Which is exactly what I think. These parents have made their children's lives a much harder just to make a political point.

Agreed. I wouldn't want to become an adult and realize that my entire childhood I was a tool in my parents eyes for attention and to make a point. And I also wouldn't want my parents and brothers/sisters to be complete fruitcakes, either.

And that's your problem, not your parents or brothers/sisters.

[Beldonia]

No, we don't fault them. I censure what the parents do because it creates unnecessary attention and possible future bullying.

And? The parents are giving the child the ability to do what it wishes with its life, something I wish my parents had done. If others mock Storm of it, then its their problem, not Storm's or his or her parents.

That doesn't make sense. If others mock Storm of it, then it's Storm's problem, because he/she has to deal with the bullying. It is quite possible to give a child the right to choose and just give the likely gender at birth. No one's going to get a bug up their ass if Strom decides to change it.

[Tergnitz]

Agreed. I wouldn't want to become an adult and realize that my entire childhood I was a tool in my parents eyes for attention and to make a point. And I also wouldn't want my parents and brothers/sisters to be complete fruitcakes, either.

And that's your problem, not your parents or brothers/sisters.

Insanity is subjective.

[Ceannairceach]

And? The parents are giving the child the ability to do what it wishes with its life, something I wish my parents had done. If others mock Storm of it, then its their problem, not Storm's or his or her parents.

That doesn't make sense. If others mock Storm of it, then it's Storm's problem, because he/she has to deal with the bullying. It is quite possible to give a child the right to choose and just give the likely gender at birth. No one's going to get a bug up their ass if Storm decides to change it.

"Problem" as in there hang up, their fault. They don't want to give the child a gender because there is still a good chance that they won't be what they proclaim them to be.

[RhynoD]

In which case they will admit to the gender and the child will in no way be "genderless".

Exactly. The thing that they are doing is not forcing a gender on the child, but rather allowing the child's own gender to emerge.

But that isn't having a "genderless child". That is "having a gendered child, the gender of which will be entirely up to the child and we as the parents will do our best not to interfere with his or her choice".

[Beldonia]

That doesn't make sense. If others mock Storm of it, then it's Storm's problem, because he/she has to deal with the bullying. It is quite possible to give a child the right to choose and just give the likely gender at birth. No one's going to get a bug up their ass if Storm decides to change it.

"Problem" as in there hang up, their fault. They don't want to give the child a gender because there is still a good chance that they won't be what they proclaim them to be.

No. Not a good chance. Most people turn out not to be transgendered. All this does is create a lot of unnecessary attention. Furthermore, don't discount the horrible effects bullying because of sexual orientation can have on a child or adolescant.

[Cartfartium]

Agreed. I wouldn't want to become an adult and realize that my entire childhood I was a tool in my parents eyes for attention and to make a point. And I also wouldn't want my parents and brothers/sisters to be complete fruitcakes, either.

And that's your problem, not your parents or brothers/sisters.

I'm just saying that I wouldn't want to be judged by how my relatives act, but by what I do.

[Cartfartium]

And that's your problem, not your parents or brothers/sisters.

Insanity is subjective.

Exactly what I'm getting at.

[Ceannairceach]

"Problem" as in there hang up, their fault. They don't want to give the child a gender because there is still a good chance that they won't be what they proclaim them to be.

No. Not a good chance. Most people turn out not to be transgendered. All this does is create a lot of unnecessary attention. Furthermore, don't discount the horrible effects bullying because of sexual orientation can have on a child or adolescant.

Any chance must be factored in in this day and age.

I am not discounting, but the problems of some people with transgendered and such people are not the faults of the parents, and shouldn't be used as a reason to block them from making decisions like this that affect their children.

[Neo ORB]

As a man who has thought long and hard bout the fact of sexuality, i can say that the parents are making an... interesting choice which is fairly left/liberal yatta yatta yatta, this is reminding me of a very interesting term which i'll bring up for you all.

I.S. Inter-sexual or what is known as a Hermaphrodite, someone born with both genders, while from what i've read, this isn't the case for this family but it strikes an interesting issue no less.

As someone who had trouble with the whole sexual identification thing, i'm born a Man, but my minds gender is often leaned towards being a woman, now don't get me wrong, I enjoy being a man most of the time, i'm fairly good looking, but physically my body has always been very thin, my weight far under the norm of a male, and since I was and still am weak i have been the topic of childhood and teenage ridicule for being like a girl/woman like so I can know somewhat how they might feel as the kids go through there lives, Sorry if that off topic...

and but the way... i do like dress's, there's a heck of a lot more air, it can be far more easy to move around and with the right styles, I have been mistaken on more then one occasion when out with friends, but one of my close friends pulls it off far batter then i do.

[Beldonia]

No. Not a good chance. Most people turn out not to be transgendered. All this does is create a lot of unnecessary attention. Furthermore, don't discount the horrible effects bullying because of sexual orientation can have on a child or adolescant.

Any chance must be factored in in this day and age.

I am not discounting, but the problems of some people with transgendered and such people are not the faults of the parents, and shouldn't be used as a reason to block them from making decisions like this that affect their children.

I disagree with your first statement.

Maybe they shouldn't be blocked; after all, this is in no violation of law and shouldn't be. However, this isn't a very good decision. Bullying happens to kids like that, and this kid will be bullied regardless. And it sucks for them.

[Terra Agora]

Sticking feathers in your butt wont make you a chicken...

[Ceannairceach]

Sticking feathers in your butt wont make you a chicken...

No, but gender is a recognized state that is separate from sex.

[Terra Agora]

Sticking feathers in your butt wont make you a chicken...

No, but gender is a recognized state that is separate from sex.

Gender or gender identity?
You can call yourself whatever you want but if you have a penis your not a girl.

Im not a human, im a pony, like Rainbow Dash.

[Kalysk]

How exactly do they expect this to go over well when the child enters school?..

[Ceannairceach]

No, but gender is a recognized state that is separate from sex.

Gender or gender identity?
You can call yourself whatever you want but if you have a penis your not a girl.

Im not a human, im a pony, like Rainbow Dash.

If you have a penis, then you are biologically of the male sex, but you may not be the male gender.

[Terra Agora]

Gender or gender identity?
You can call yourself whatever you want but if you have a penis your not a girl.

Im not a human, im a pony, like Rainbow Dash.

If you have a penis, then you are biologically of the male sex, but you may not be the male gender.

Gender =/= gender identity

[Cartfartium]

Sticking feathers in your butt wont make you a chicken...

There are a lot of people that could learn from that.

[Czardas]

No, but gender is a recognized state that is separate from sex.

Gender or gender identity?
You can call yourself whatever you want but if you have a penis your not a girl.

How many girls did you see today?

Did you physically examine any of them to make sure they didn't have penises?

[Syvorji]

Gender or gender identity?
You can call yourself whatever you want but if you have a penis your not a girl.

How many girls did you see today?

Did you physically examine any of them to make sure they didn't have penises?

But, if I did, I would be charged for sexual assault, meaning I would be banned from meeting girls. Ergo, I do not do that.