This will just blow up in the parent's faces when the child hits high school. This is another bullying suicide case waiting to happen.Deus in Machina wrote:but part of me feels like this is only going to make the child's life harder.
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by Cartfartium » Wed May 25, 2011 6:46 pm
This will just blow up in the parent's faces when the child hits high school. This is another bullying suicide case waiting to happen.Deus in Machina wrote:but part of me feels like this is only going to make the child's life harder.
by Der Teutoniker » Wed May 25, 2011 6:47 pm
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by Ceannairceach » Wed May 25, 2011 6:47 pm
Phonencia wrote:I don't wanna debate this, I don't wanna discuss this, I just wanna give a simple statement.
I believe Storm's parents are simply acting stupid, they should quit acting like morons and just tell us the gender of the child and quit practically encouraging their kids to be crossdressers/transgenders. The kids are impressionable so really, the parents aren't actually letting them have a choice in everything, they're just about pressuring them to be progressive and different like they are. honestly, I REALLY dislike Storm's parents over this and I can safely say I would NOT want them even in the same community as me and my family.
by Takaram » Wed May 25, 2011 6:47 pm
Phonencia wrote:I don't wanna debate this, I don't wanna discuss this, I just wanna give a simple statement.
I believe Storm's parents are simply acting stupid, they should quit acting like morons and just tell us the gender of the child and quit practically encouraging their kids to be crossdressers/transgenders. The kids are impressionable so really, the parents aren't actually letting them have a choice in everything, they're just about pressuring them to be progressive and different like they are. honestly, I REALLY dislike Storm's parents over this and I can safely say I would NOT want them even in the same community as me and my family.
by GBeckastania » Wed May 25, 2011 6:47 pm
Takaram wrote:GBeckastania wrote:Except they won't know what a boy is, or a girl. They can only act how they feel, so keeping them from knowing what that feeling is will only confuse and bother the child. Ignorance won't change the child physically, or biologically, but it could do quite the toll mentally.
Again, no. The child will, of course, know it's own sex. It's kind of hard to keep that from someone. And I doubt that its parents will be keeping gender roles from it. They just won't treat Storm like one or the other. They'll let it decide it's own gender.
by Sailsia » Wed May 25, 2011 6:48 pm
by Der Teutoniker » Wed May 25, 2011 6:49 pm
Cartfartium wrote:This will just blow up in the parent's faces when the child hits high school. This is another bullying suicide case waiting to happen.
South Lorenya wrote:occasionally we get someone who has a rap sheet longer than Jormungandr
Austin Setzer wrote:We found a couple of ancient documents, turned them into the bible, and now its the symbol of christianity.
ARM Forces wrote:Strep-throat is an infection in the throat, caused by eating too much refined sugar! Rubbing more sugar directly on it is the worst thing you can possibly do.
Dumb Ideologies wrote:Communism and anarchy; same unachievable end, different impractical means.
by Tergnitz » Wed May 25, 2011 6:50 pm
by Takaram » Wed May 25, 2011 6:50 pm
GBeckastania wrote:Takaram wrote:
Again, no. The child will, of course, know it's own sex. It's kind of hard to keep that from someone. And I doubt that its parents will be keeping gender roles from it. They just won't treat Storm like one or the other. They'll let it decide it's own gender.
Well if that is the case, that they will still educate the child on gender roles, then I have misunderstood the article. As I read it, it seemed that the point is not to teach the child about gender roles, and let it be whatever it wants for whatever reason. If it is the case that they will explain gender roles, then I am of course incorrect. However, you are right in saying that the child will know it's own sex. In that case the child will decide on it's own, whether or not the parents agree, or, as with this family, don't care. Then, however, I see no point in the stunt, as it is merely depriving others the knowledge of the child's sex, and not actually affecting if the child wants to be a boy or girl.
by GBeckastania » Wed May 25, 2011 6:50 pm
Phonencia wrote:I don't wanna debate this, I don't wanna discuss this, I just wanna give a simple statement.
I believe Storm's parents are simply acting stupid, they should quit acting like morons and just tell us the gender of the child and quit practically encouraging their kids to be crossdressers/transgenders. The kids are impressionable so really, the parents aren't actually letting them have a choice in everything, they're just about pressuring them to be progressive and different like they are. honestly, I REALLY dislike Storm's parents over this and I can safely say I would NOT want them even in the same community as me and my family.
by Beldonia » Wed May 25, 2011 6:50 pm
Ceannairceach wrote:Beldonia wrote:It's a nice thought in theory.....but I just don't know. Generally, if a child has a penis, it's male. A vagina, female. The chance of he/she being a transgender is so unlikely, they should just tell the gender. It's so unlikely that it would be better if the real gender would be told and attention would be avoided. If the unlikely happens and it is transgendered, then it's no big deal if he/she was called what he/she was born as in the early stages of life.
Sex and gender aren't interchangeable, mind, and its a good decision to let the child decide on his or her own what he identifies as.
by GBeckastania » Wed May 25, 2011 6:51 pm
Takaram wrote:
So that there is no pressure from the outside world forcing this child to act one way or the other. Now, why they had to announce this like this is another issue, and one I find far more troubling.
by Atlantian Empire » Wed May 25, 2011 6:51 pm
JuNii wrote:GBeckastania wrote:Whether or not you tell the child its gender, it will hormonally feel the same way. You don't "decide" if your a boy or a girl, you have a certain biological system which makes you a boy or girl. People who have transgender surgeries and the such do so because they don't feel comfortable in their body, which is something you know at heart, you don't just "decide" it.
I think it's more to the fact that Boy's tends to get balls and cars for toys while girls gets dolls and kitchen playsets...
by keeping the sex of the child a secret, I think they are trying to avoid the stereotyping.
tho, if the grandparents want to know... all they need to do is voulnteer for babysitting duties.
by Wamitoria » Wed May 25, 2011 6:52 pm
Beldonia wrote:Ceannairceach wrote:Sex and gender aren't interchangeable, mind, and its a good decision to let the child decide on his or her own what he identifies as.
The chances of the child deciding to be the atypical sex and/or gender are very unlikely, so it just creates an awkward situation. I guarentee that some peers will heckle this kid for being gay or transgendered just because of this, even if he indentifies as a totally straight person. It just doesn't create a good situation. He can be transgendered without the parents creating all this attention.
by Syvorji » Wed May 25, 2011 6:52 pm
by Ceannairceach » Wed May 25, 2011 6:53 pm
Beldonia wrote:Ceannairceach wrote:Sex and gender aren't interchangeable, mind, and its a good decision to let the child decide on his or her own what he identifies as.
The chances of the child deciding to be the atypical sex and/or gender are very unlikely, so it just creates an awkward situation. I guarentee that some peers will heckle this kid for being gay or transgendered just because of this, even if he indentifies as a totally straight person. It just doesn't create a good situation. He can be transgendered without the parents creating all this attention.
by Unicario » Wed May 25, 2011 6:54 pm
by Takaram » Wed May 25, 2011 6:54 pm
by Ceannairceach » Wed May 25, 2011 6:55 pm
by Tawny Port » Wed May 25, 2011 6:55 pm
by Ceannairceach » Wed May 25, 2011 6:56 pm
Tawny Port wrote:Do the parents plan to pay for therapy and gender realignment surgery for all their children if required?
by Unicario » Wed May 25, 2011 6:56 pm
by GBeckastania » Wed May 25, 2011 6:57 pm
Takaram wrote:GBeckastania wrote:Well then there's something we agree on.
That they're doing this for their child and willing to be so accepting of who he/she/it is is perfectly cool by me. That they're putting it all out their like this annoys me. If they hadn't advertised that they were doing it, most people would never have known and the social troubles later in life would have basically been completely averted. Now, however, pretty much everyone knows.
by Beldonia » Wed May 25, 2011 6:57 pm
Ceannairceach wrote:Beldonia wrote:The chances of the child deciding to be the atypical sex and/or gender are very unlikely, so it just creates an awkward situation. I guarentee that some peers will heckle this kid for being gay or transgendered just because of this, even if he indentifies as a totally straight person. It just doesn't create a good situation. He can be transgendered without the parents creating all this attention.
So we should fault the parents or child for the hypothetical situation that may occur, in which the child is tormented by others? How does that work? As I said earlier, do we prosecute victims now?
by Ceannairceach » Wed May 25, 2011 6:57 pm
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