This woman thinks all men support rape

[Neo Art]

So, if everything I know points towards John Doe being a rapist, I should not conclude that he's probably a rapist? That sounds like a terrible idea.

Except you don't usually know all the facts.

We NEVER know ALL the facts. As TNG very well pointed out, you can never know anything for an absolute FACT, but to shield yourself behind some nonsensical "but we don't know all the facts!" in circumstances like this creates a bizarre double standard.

If everything you know points towards your child's babysitter being a horrific murderer of children, even if you don't know it for a FACT, would you keep letting this person watch your children when you're gone?

Of fucking course you wouldn't. So stop pretending that you live by some bizarre "judge not before we have all the facts" standard that no human being alive uses.

[The Norwegian Blue]

TNG

Your geekiness is showing.

[Gravlen]

Probably much higher than 8%, and considering that as a man, you are about 90% likely to be raped in prison, I think so new evidence standards are in order, and stricter 'false reporting' laws to boot.

And once again we are shown that 78% of all statistics are made up on the spot.

[Ifreann]

TNG

Your geekiness is showing.

You're red-shifting to The Norwegian Green.

[Geniasis]

I have to imagine that'd be horrible. To be accused of a crime so heinous, a crime I would never commit in a thousand years, but have to defend myself to potential employers, neighbors... everyone, and still have to live with a stigma I don't deserve. Just because it's "probably true"?

The chances of that happening are small. So small as to be entirely insignificant. But it's the idea of having my life essentially ruined through no fault of my own, and without any control whatsoever, that absolutely terrifies me.

...

That was a dreadfully ironic post, wasn't it?

[United Dependencies]

I have to imagine that'd be horrible. To be accused of a crime so heinous, a crime I would never commit in a thousand years, but have to defend myself to potential employers, neighbors... everyone, and still have to live with a stigma I don't deserve. Just because it's "probably true"?

The chances of that happening are small. So small as to be entirely insignificant. But it's the idea of having my life essentially ruined through no fault of my own, and without any control whatsoever, that absolutely terrifies me.

...

That was a dreadfully ironic post, wasn't it?

Emotions are strong things. That's why there people have such a hard time arguing with someone who uses emotions to back up their arguments.

[Nationstatelandsville]

I have to imagine that'd be horrible. To be accused of a crime so heinous, a crime I would never commit in a thousand years, but have to defend myself to potential employers, neighbors... everyone, and still have to live with a stigma I don't deserve. Just because it's "probably true"?

The chances of that happening are small. So small as to be entirely insignificant. But it's the idea of having my life essentially ruined through no fault of my own, and without any control whatsoever, that absolutely terrifies me.

...

That was a dreadfully ironic post, wasn't it?

You have a fair point. She can't make say that all men are horrible people, can she? What about men like Abraham Lincoln and Gandhi? Is she saying their criminals because they're men?

[Arkinesia]

To be fair though, it is also more likely for a male rape to go unreported.

Adding to that, there's a BELIEF (I don't know whether that can be true) that male victims of rape are not likely to report (I'm talking woman raping man scenario).

Yeah, it's believed that a higher percentage of male rapes are unreported than female rapes.

For reasons that should be somewhat self-evident.

[Turmoilandia]

When I read hateful trash like that article, I am reminded of why I am a staunch anti-feminist. Feminism is nothing more than a movement founded around the hatred of men. One of the biggest problems in our society today is that we have defined "rape" so broadly. Therefore, I will make it clear what is a rape and what is NOT a rape:

If a woman consents, it is NOT rape. If a woman chooses voluntarily to put herself under the influence of drugs or alcohol and consents, it is NOT rape (to argue otherwise is to argue that people who are drunk and/or high are not responsible for their actions and therefore that drunk drivers who kill people should not be punished for their crimes). If a woman does not resist, it is NOT rape (because it is impossible to prove a rape accusation if there is no evidence of resistance). The definition of "coercion" should be strictly limited to physical force. There is no such thing as "psychological, emotional, or economic" coercion.

If somebody provides advice to women on how to avoid being raped, that is NOT "victim blaming" any more than it is "victim blaming" to provide advice on how to avoid being robbed.

There are legitimate problems with our current rape laws. For one thing, there are insufficient protections for the falsely accused. For another thing, the definition of "rape" is way too broad. These things need to be reformed.

Women should have equal rights. They should NOT have special privileges of any kind (such as those advocated by the "feminist" A.K.A. "female supremacist" movement).

[Farnhamia]

When I read hateful trash like that article, I am reminded of why I am a staunch anti-feminist. Feminism is nothing more than a movement founded around the hatred of men. One of the biggest problems in our society today is that we have defined "rape" so broadly. Therefore, I will make it clear what is a rape and what is NOT a rape:

If a woman consents, it is NOT rape. If a woman chooses voluntarily to put herself under the influence of drugs or alcohol and consents, it is NOT rape (to argue otherwise is to argue that people who are drunk and/or high are not responsible for their actions and therefore that drunk drivers who kill people should not be punished for their crimes). If a woman does not resist, it is NOT rape (because it is impossible to prove a rape accusation if there is no evidence of resistance). The definition of "coercion" should be strictly limited to physical force. There is no such thing as "psychological, emotional, or economic" coercion.

If somebody provides advice to women on how to avoid being raped, that is NOT "victim blaming" any more than it is "victim blaming" to provide advice on how to avoid being robbed.

There are legitimate problems with our current rape laws. For one thing, there are insufficient protections for the falsely accused. For another thing, the definition of "rape" is way too broad. These things need to be reformed.

Women should have equal rights. They should NOT have special privileges of any kind (such as those advocated by the "feminist" A.K.A. "female supremacist" movement).

When I read ... foolishness like this, I am reminded why we need feminism all the more.

[Holy Paradise]

I'm surrounded by rapists.

You people sicken me.

[Nationstatelandsville]

When I read hateful trash like that article, I am reminded of why I am a staunch anti-feminist. Feminism is nothing more than a movement founded around the hatred of men. One of the biggest problems in our society today is that we have defined "rape" so broadly. Therefore, I will make it clear what is a rape and what is NOT a rape:

If a woman consents, it is NOT rape. If a woman chooses voluntarily to put herself under the influence of drugs or alcohol and consents, it is NOT rape (to argue otherwise is to argue that people who are drunk and/or high are not responsible for their actions and therefore that drunk drivers who kill people should not be punished for their crimes). If a woman does not resist, it is NOT rape (because it is impossible to prove a rape accusation if there is no evidence of resistance). The definition of "coercion" should be strictly limited to physical force. There is no such thing as "psychological, emotional, or economic" coercion.

If somebody provides advice to women on how to avoid being raped, that is NOT "victim blaming" any more than it is "victim blaming" to provide advice on how to avoid being robbed.

There are legitimate problems with our current rape laws. For one thing, there are insufficient protections for the falsely accused. For another thing, the definition of "rape" is way too broad. These things need to be reformed.

Women should have equal rights. They should NOT have special privileges of any kind (such as those advocated by the "feminist" A.K.A. "female supremacist" movement).

When I read ... foolishness like this, I am reminded why we need feminism all the more.

I agree that feminism isn't bad, but some people take it too far. Men aren't evil, are we?

[Farnhamia]

When I read ... foolishness like this, I am reminded why we need feminism all the more.

I agree that feminism isn't bad, but some people take it too far. Men aren't evil, are we?

No more than women are, no.

[Samuraikoku]

When I read hateful trash like that article, I am reminded of why I am a staunch anti-feminist. Feminism is nothing more than a movement founded around the hatred of men.

When I read misogynistic views like this it reminds me why certain people should be decapitated. And I'm speaking as a man who respects women.

[The Chaos Heart]

I would be amused at the ridiculousness of the "the legal presumption of innocence means you can never, ever believe someone committed a crime or treat them differently in any way because of it unless they have been convicted of it" argument if it didn't require such an insane level of misogynistic doublethink for anyone seriously to put such a ludicrous argument forward.

Let's try making it NOT about rape for a second: say your best friend, whom you know to be trustworthy, tells you that he has evidence that the woman who runs your child's daycare is a psychopath who murders children. You investigate and discover extensive evidence that she has, indeed, murdered multiple children. Heck, how about you even find dismembered toddler-corpses in the woods behind her house, wrapped up in bags full of trash that is clearly hers - envelopes addressed to her, old pill bottles with her name on them, etc., along with a note in her handwriting saying, "I'm totally going to murder more children soon"...but you know she has not yet been convicted of killing any children, so by the insane "I presume everyone is innocent until they're convicted and treat them accordingly" logic, you would NOT pull your child out of this woman's care at any point in this process.

You would, in other words, be a raving lunatic.

If I have evidence that someone is a rapist (and yes, someone saying "he raped me" is generally pretty good evidence, since by any measure, it is true much more often then not), then I'm going to treat them like someone who might be a rapist. Duh. This has fuck-all to do with the legal presumption of innocence and everything to do with common sense. I am manifestly not arguing that every accusation of rape should lead immediately to a conviction, skipping over trials and proof beyond reasonable doubt. Of course it shouldn't. But pretending that the legal presumption of innocence somehow controls reality itself and no one committed a crime until someone is convicted of it is nonsensical beyond measure.

There's a problem with your logic. "He raped me" is only a claim: not evidence. It's not the same as finding corpses. Now, if you found DNA evidence, that would be the same. But at this point, "He raped me" is the same as "she's a psychopath": It's a claim and nothing more. Like you found evidence of killings, so to would you need to find evidence of rape.


EDIT: Just out of curiosity, who here actually supports anything this crazy lady said (the linked lady, not Norwegian).

[Sdaeriji]

When I read hateful trash like that article, I am reminded of why I am a staunch anti-feminist. Feminism is nothing more than a movement founded around the hatred of men. One of the biggest problems in our society today is that we have defined "rape" so broadly. Therefore, I will make it clear what is a rape and what is NOT a rape:

If a woman consents, it is NOT rape. If a woman chooses voluntarily to put herself under the influence of drugs or alcohol and consents, it is NOT rape (to argue otherwise is to argue that people who are drunk and/or high are not responsible for their actions and therefore that drunk drivers who kill people should not be punished for their crimes). If a woman does not resist, it is NOT rape (because it is impossible to prove a rape accusation if there is no evidence of resistance). The definition of "coercion" should be strictly limited to physical force. There is no such thing as "psychological, emotional, or economic" coercion.

If somebody provides advice to women on how to avoid being raped, that is NOT "victim blaming" any more than it is "victim blaming" to provide advice on how to avoid being robbed.

There are legitimate problems with our current rape laws. For one thing, there are insufficient protections for the falsely accused. For another thing, the definition of "rape" is way too broad. These things need to be reformed.

Women should have equal rights. They should NOT have special privileges of any kind (such as those advocated by the "feminist" A.K.A. "female supremacist" movement).

I completely agree. We do not blame the victim nearly enough in crimes. If I slip some roofies into your drink, then how is it rape, grand theft, and arson when I take you back to my place, have my way with your unconscious body, put a lit cigarette between your lips and make off with your car? You should be responsible for your actions while unconscious. How can you say I "stole your car" when there's no evidence that you didn't just give it to me as per our previously agreed upon arrangement? And why should you get the special privileges of a police investigation when I don't get the same privilege by virtue of not being as completely stupid as you? Ridiculous moron supremacist movement, if you ask me.

[Wiztopia]

When I read hateful trash like that article, I am reminded of why I am a staunch anti-feminist. Feminism is nothing more than a movement founded around the hatred of men. One of the biggest problems in our society today is that we have defined "rape" so broadly. Therefore, I will make it clear what is a rape and what is NOT a rape:

If a woman consents, it is NOT rape. If a woman chooses voluntarily to put herself under the influence of drugs or alcohol and consents, it is NOT rape (to argue otherwise is to argue that people who are drunk and/or high are not responsible for their actions and therefore that drunk drivers who kill people should not be punished for their crimes). If a woman does not resist, it is NOT rape (because it is impossible to prove a rape accusation if there is no evidence of resistance). The definition of "coercion" should be strictly limited to physical force. There is no such thing as "psychological, emotional, or economic" coercion.

If somebody provides advice to women on how to avoid being raped, that is NOT "victim blaming" any more than it is "victim blaming" to provide advice on how to avoid being robbed.

There are legitimate problems with our current rape laws. For one thing, there are insufficient protections for the falsely accused. For another thing, the definition of "rape" is way too broad. These things need to be reformed.

Women should have equal rights. They should NOT have special privileges of any kind (such as those advocated by the "feminist" A.K.A. "female supremacist" movement).

When I read ... foolishness like this, I am reminded why we need feminism all the more.

We can do without the feminists such as Agnes Chan and the author of that list.

[Unhealthy2]

I have to imagine that'd be horrible. To be accused of a crime so heinous, a crime I would never commit in a thousand years, but have to defend myself to potential employers, neighbors... everyone, and still have to live with a stigma I don't deserve. Just because it's "probably true"?

The chances of that happening are small. So small as to be entirely insignificant. But it's the idea of having my life essentially ruined through no fault of my own, and without any control whatsoever, that absolutely terrifies me.

...

That was a dreadfully ironic post, wasn't it?

It is bad. In fact, I have such a crushing fear of being falsely accused of rape, murder, etc., that I refuse to disagree with people too much in public, especially women, lest I anger them. I just have this extreme phobia that I'll piss off a women and then be sent to prison for the rest of my life. I prefer to minimize human contact so that none of you can conspire against me. Every woman wants to accuse me of rape. Every man is ready to kill me.

Thanks, but I prefer to live a life with absolutely no sex (for many reasons, including the facts that it's both unhygienic and unappealing), no friends or relationships, and minimal contact with other humans. You're all monsters and you want to destroy me.

[Samuraikoku]

I completely agree. We do not blame the victim nearly enough in crimes. If I slip some roofies into your drink, then how is it rape, grand theft, and arson when I take you back to my place, have my way with your unconscious body, put a lit cigarette between your lips and make off with your car? You should be responsible for your actions while unconscious. How can you say I "stole your car" when there's no evidence that you didn't just give it to me as per our previously agreed upon arrangement? And why should you get the special privileges of a police investigation when I don't get the same privilege by virtue of not being as completely stupid as you? Ridiculous moron supremacist movement, if you ask me.

You beat me to it, I completely agree with your explanation to that despicable dimwit.

[The Chaos Heart]

When I read ... foolishness like this, I am reminded why we need feminism all the more.

We can do without the feminists such as Agnes Chan and the author of that list.

I dare say we shouldn't even lump the two together. Feminist fight for women's rights in a time when they are restricted. The author of the list is just a deranged man hater, or, at the very least, and uneducated twit who doesn't think through her words. Complete opposites in my opinion.

[The Chaos Heart]

Has anyone even thought to consider how offensive this list is to women?

[Gravlen]

When I read hateful trash like that article, I am reminded of why I am a staunch anti-feminist. Feminism is nothing more than a movement founded around the hatred of men. One of the biggest problems in our society today is that we have defined "rape" so broadly. Therefore, I will make it clear what is a rape and what is NOT a rape:

If a woman consents, it is NOT rape. If a woman chooses voluntarily to put herself under the influence of drugs or alcohol and consents, it is NOT rape (to argue otherwise is to argue that people who are drunk and/or high are not responsible for their actions and therefore that drunk drivers who kill people should not be punished for their crimes). If a woman does not resist, it is NOT rape (because it is impossible to prove a rape accusation if there is no evidence of resistance). The definition of "coercion" should be strictly limited to physical force. There is no such thing as "psychological, emotional, or economic" coercion.

If somebody provides advice to women on how to avoid being raped, that is NOT "victim blaming" any more than it is "victim blaming" to provide advice on how to avoid being robbed.

There are legitimate problems with our current rape laws. For one thing, there are insufficient protections for the falsely accused. For another thing, the definition of "rape" is way too broad. These things need to be reformed.

Women should have equal rights. They should NOT have special privileges of any kind (such as those advocated by the "feminist" A.K.A. "female supremacist" movement).

When I read ... foolishness like this, I am reminded why we need feminism all the more.

When I read foolishness like that, I am reminded why education is a good thing, and why we need more of it. I cannot believe that an educated person would honestly say such things... but maybe my standards are too high...

Just a select few things that I have to comment on:

If a woman does not resist, it is NOT rape (because it is impossible to prove a rape accusation if there is no evidence of resistance).

Even if it was true that it was impossible to prove a rape accusation if there is no evidence of resistance (which is actually false, but nevermind that now): Why should the difficulty of proving it determine the legality of it? Either consent is given, or it is not. You're arguing that if a person does not give consent it should not be counted as rape - yet you decry the "broad definition" of rape?

The definition of "coercion" should be strictly limited to physical force. There is no such thing as "psychological, emotional, or economic" coercion.

So death threats have no effect? Interesting. And false.

There are legitimate problems with our current rape laws. For one thing, there are insufficient protections for the falsely accused. For another thing, the definition of "rape" is way too broad. These things need to be reformed.

I simply don't believe you. Especially considering your statements above.

You should have started by showing these so-called "broad definitions", because when it no longer matters whether consent was (freely) given or not, I cannot see how you could possibly claim that the definition of rape is so broad that it needs reform.

Women should have equal rights. They should NOT have special privileges of any kind (such as those advocated by the "feminist" A.K.A. "female supremacist" movement).

...how is... what special... by what definition... you know what, nevermind. I can't be bothered.

[Person012345]

People like the woman in the OP really take the meaning out of the word rape. I find it quite bad that she treats rape in such a casual manner (essentially calling all men ever rapists or rape-supporters, not because of anything concerning rape, but because of things like "He sexually objectifies lesbians or lesbian sexual activity" for example - what, do lesbians not exist,and all lesbian sex is rape or something?). She needs to learn what supporting rape actually means. All her crap about "rape supporting" is actually just a pathetic excuse to rage at men, maybe she got cheated on once or something. A pitiful woman whom I would hope never to meet.

[Labno]

She is an dunce.

[UCUMAY]

People like the woman in the OP really take the meaning out of the word rape.

I agree I can't stomach people who throw that word around like it's afternoon tea.