This woman thinks all men support rape

[Keronians]

Why the hell would I carry an arguement with a misanthrope?



That's like arguing with a christian.

I'm not really a misanthrope, but I shall play devil's advocate.

Why should I care about anybody's life? What makes it so important?

They are sentient.

[Luciratus]

I'm not really a misanthrope, but I shall play devil's advocate.

Why should I care about anybody's life? What makes it so important?

They are sentient.

So? Why specifically does sentience mean anything? What meaning does life have?

Edit: Also, most pro-choice individuals believe that life has full significance only so long as sapience and sentience are properties of the organism in question. Thus, mere sentience cannot possibly justify me caring too much about somebody else's life. If they particularly vexed me, why shouldn't I destroy them like I would crush a fly or kill fish? Then, I can sup.

Edit2: My apologies if I seem asinine. However, I do feel especially nihilistic presently. Likewise, I truly am interested in discovering why precisely we should use birth as a limit for abortion. Why not cut it off at six months into pregnancy or five years into life?

[Demen]

They are sentient.

So? Why specifically does sentience mean anything? What meaning does life have?

Edit: Also, most pro-choice individuals believe that life has full significance only so long as sapience and sentience are properties of the organism in question. Thus, mere sentience cannot possibly justify me caring too much about somebody else's life. If they particularly vexed me, why shouldn't I destroy them like I would crush a fly or kill fish? Then, I can sup.

Edit2: My apologies if I seem asinine. However, I do feel especially nihilistic presently. Likewise, I truly am interested in discovering why precisely we should use birth as a limit for abortion. Why not cut it off at six months into pregnancy or five years into life?

You'd murder a five year old?


Pardon my french, but what the fuck is wrong with you?

[Demen]

And this is where I fire my IGNORE cannons.


But first, I must ask you something. How would you feel if right now, every child on earth died?

... I'd feel dead.

Oh well.

[Wiztopia]

Actually "killing babies" is something that an abortion never does...

What precisely differentiates a baby from a fetus, though? Do vaginas have transmutative properties?

One is born and the other isn't.

Oh, why ever not?

"Parasitism is a type of symbiotic relationship between organisms of different species where one organism, the parasite, benefits at the expense of the other, the host."

Likewise, I think you mischaracterized me. I do not merely detest children; I am a misanthrope.

And this is where I fire my IGNORE cannons.


But first, I must ask you something. How would you feel if right now, every child on earth died?

Then I would be happy. Lots of sexy time in the days to cum

[Drolland]

-That is all abortion does... How did you not know that?

She doesn't classify fetii as babies.

-I think the point is that she is not right. You can't have a baby without a fetus so why does it matter to kill it before it is born...? especially since euthanasia isn't even legal...

[Drolland]

-That is all abortion does... How did you not know that?

That is all abortion does?

Wow.

-What does a fetus become? A baby. So by aborting(which by the way is a very degrading term for I'd use it if I were using a program on the computer) a fetus you kill the baby...

[Drolland]

-That is all abortion does... How did you not know that?

Except it doesn't. When you abort a program, you're aborting the processes. Not deleting the program.

-Except you are left with a body in this case. Not a program. You rid the fetus of its sentience and leave it as a dead body.

[Wiztopia]

That is all abortion does?

Wow.

-What does a fetus become? A baby. So by aborting(which by the way is a very degrading term for I'd use it if I were using a program on the computer) a fetus you kill the baby...

A fetus is not a baby. Thank you, come again.

[Kazomal]

-What does a fetus become? A baby. So by aborting(which by the way is a very degrading term for I'd use it if I were using a program on the computer) a fetus you kill the baby...

A fetus is not a baby. Thank you, come again.

Those are just words. The thing that is in the womb is physically the same thing that exits the vagina, and it has grown and changed form significantly since it started as a separate sperm and egg. By the time it is near the end of the pregnancy, it is much closer to a baby that it is to it's form a few weeks into the pregnancy.

By the by, where would you cut off legal abortion? End of the second trimester? Beginning of birth? Completion of birth? Before first breath? Some time after that?

[Libertarian Mesa]

-What does a fetus become? A baby. So by aborting(which by the way is a very degrading term for I'd use it if I were using a program on the computer) a fetus you kill the baby...

A fetus is not a baby. Thank you, come again.

It's just a baby who has not left the womb. With this idea, food not cooked is not food.

[Wiztopia]

A fetus is not a baby. Thank you, come again.

Those are just words. The thing that is in the womb is physically the same thing that exits the vagina, and it has grown and changed form significantly since it started as a separate sperm and egg. By the time it is near the end of the pregnancy, it is much closer to a baby that it is to it's form a few weeks into the pregnancy.

By the by, where would you cut off legal abortion? End of the second trimester? Beginning of birth? Completion of birth? Before first breath? Some time after that?

No it isn't.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... ic_sac.jpg
http://acne.savvy-cafe.com/wp-content/u ... aby-rs.jpg

Never. A woman only gets an abortion in the third trimester if their health is in danger.

[Galloism]

A fetus is not a baby. Thank you, come again.

It's just a baby who has not left the womb. With this idea, food not cooked is not food.

Are apple seeds apples?

[Wiztopia]

It's just a baby who has not left the womb. With this idea, food not cooked is not food.

Are apple seeds apples?

Yeah they are. Because everybody knows every apple seed becomes an apple tree that gives fruit.

[Galloism]

Are apple seeds apples?

Yeah they are. Because everybody knows every apple seed becomes an apple tree that gives fruit.

I was trying to think of a plant where the whole plant is commonly eaten as food, but I went blank.

[Wiztopia]

Yeah they are. Because everybody knows every apple seed becomes an apple tree that gives fruit.

I was trying to think of a plant where the whole plant is commonly eaten as food, but I went blank.

I don't think there is one. Your analogy was perfect though. A fetus has potential to become a baby but isn't a baby.

[Kazomal]

Those are just words. The thing that is in the womb is physically the same thing that exits the vagina, and it has grown and changed form significantly since it started as a separate sperm and egg. By the time it is near the end of the pregnancy, it is much closer to a baby that it is to it's form a few weeks into the pregnancy.

By the by, where would you cut off legal abortion? End of the second trimester? Beginning of birth? Completion of birth? Before first breath? Some time after that?

No it isn't.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... ic_sac.jpg
http://acne.savvy-cafe.com/wp-content/u ... aby-rs.jpg

Never. A woman only gets an abortion in the third trimester if their health is in danger.

No it isn't what?
Physically the same object? Yeah, it sure is.
Closer, at 28 weeks, to a 5 second newborn baby than it is to a zygot or embryo? Yeah, it sure is. Although I guess this is opinion.

So, just to be clear, you're in favor of legal elective abortion in the third trimester, should a woman want it, for some reason or another not related to health? (I'm not arguing against you here, I'm just trying to clarify your position). Also, could you define "never?' Is it beginning of birth, completion of birth, before first breath, some time after, before, between, or not specified?

[Brandenburg-Altmark]

No it isn't.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... ic_sac.jpg
http://acne.savvy-cafe.com/wp-content/u ... aby-rs.jpg

Never. A woman only gets an abortion in the third trimester if their health is in danger.

No it isn't what?
Physically the same object? Yeah, it sure is.
Closer, at 28 weeks, to a 5 second newborn baby than it is to a zygot or embryo? Yeah, it sure is. Although I guess this is opinion.

So, just to be clear, you're in favor of legal elective abortion in the third trimester, should a woman want it, for some reason or another not related to health? (I'm not arguing against you here, I'm just trying to clarify your position). Also, could you define "never?' Is it beginning of birth, completion of birth, before first breath, some time after, before, between, or not specified?

Here's the thing; it is not the fetus's body to control. If a woman decides she no longer wants to carry a pregnancy, what are you going to do to stop her? Would you force me to give you my kidney if you really wanted it and I backed out of the deal at the last minute?

[Kazomal]

No it isn't what?
Physically the same object? Yeah, it sure is.
Closer, at 28 weeks, to a 5 second newborn baby than it is to a zygot or embryo? Yeah, it sure is. Although I guess this is opinion.

So, just to be clear, you're in favor of legal elective abortion in the third trimester, should a woman want it, for some reason or another not related to health? (I'm not arguing against you here, I'm just trying to clarify your position). Also, could you define "never?' Is it beginning of birth, completion of birth, before first breath, some time after, before, between, or not specified?

Here's the thing; it is not the fetus's body to control. If a woman decides she no longer wants to carry a pregnancy, what are you going to do to stop her? Would you force me to give you my kidney if you really wanted it and I backed out of the deal at the last minute?

That has absolutely nothing to do what I said. Way to read. Did I ever say I wanted to stop anyone from doing anything? Nope. Did I ever say I opposed abortion, or that I wanted to set any sort of legal restrictions? Nope. So fuck off with it.

[Drolland]

-What does a fetus become? A baby. So by aborting(which by the way is a very degrading term for I'd use it if I were using a program on the computer) a fetus you kill the baby...

A fetus is not a baby. Thank you, come again.

-If you killed any fetus you found there would be no babies... I understand a woman can do what she wants with her body, but there is such a thing as adoption.. Which lets children live.

[Libertarian Mesa]

It's just a baby who has not left the womb. With this idea, food not cooked is not food.

Are apple seeds apples?

These apples do not look like apples yet.

[Drolland]

Are apple seeds apples?

These apples do not look like apples yet.

-Do not look... But still have potential. More potential than an orange seed does to become an apple.

[Bitchkitten]

A fetus is not a baby. Thank you, come again.

It's just a baby who has not left the womb. With this idea, food not cooked is not food.

Well, bread isn't toast yet.

[Libertarian Mesa]

It's just a baby who has not left the womb. With this idea, food not cooked is not food.

Well, bread isn't toast yet.

Ah, but it is toast, just not pushed into the toaster yet, just as fetus is a baby that has not gone from the womb and into the joyous light of the world.

[Wikipedia and Universe]

PROLONGED ABORTION DEBATE GTFO

Though seriously, that is not what this thread is about. There are a mass of other threads in NSG where you can do that. Take it elsewhere.