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Postby Bitchkitten » Wed Jun 01, 2011 7:08 pm

Shaoyuan wrote:
Bitchkitten wrote:Please name just one country where women have it better than men. Just one.


How about the US for one? It's not perfect for either sex but if you're a female parent or indeed criminal you'll have a much easier time in the justice system than your male equivalent. And women get paid less because they work less hours, so don't even bring it up. Women have a right to an abortion, whereas the man doesn't get a say either way. I'm sorry if you were raped but I don't think that really happens to very many people at all.


Thankyou for handing me your head. You apparently weren't using it anyway.

Yes, women usually get custody. That can be partially explained by the fact that 70% of men do not even attempt to get custody. After a divorce, men have an increase in their standard of living. Women and children have a substantial decrease.

Women get paid less for the same amount of work, not because they work fewer hours. Women who have better job histories, reviews and more seniority still get paid less than their male counterparts in the same jobs.

A man doesn't get a say in an abortion because it's not his body. Would you like me to be able to say what medical procedures you have done?

According to United States Department of Justice document Criminal Victimization in the United States, there were overall 191,670 victims of rape or sexual assault reported in 2005. 1 of 6 U.S. women has experienced an attempted or completed rape.

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Postby Luciratus » Wed Jun 01, 2011 7:10 pm

Geniasis wrote:
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No, not possible, unless you want to institute a police state solely devoted to stopping rape where all people are watched by security forces at all times, including the police themselves.


Easy. You have three classes. Civilians, Police, and Police-police*.

The police have absolute authority over the civilians, the police-police have absolute authority over the police, and the civilians have absolute authority over the police-police.

Y'know, like the starters in Pokemon.

*note: generate catchier name. Like Deathrender or Blackwatch. Witchaloks, perhaps.


Civilian = Proletariet
Police = Whitewatch (most neighborhoods) and Blackwatch (black neighborhoods)
Police-Police = Luciratus

In all honesty, I'm not certain it is completely possible to eliminate abuse. However, we should at the very least try.
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Postby Luciratus » Wed Jun 01, 2011 7:11 pm

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Shaoyuan wrote:Oh sure, it would be great if we could eliminate rape and abuse in our society, but while you're off at the unrealistic goals store maybe you could pick me up an end to violent crime and a perpetual motion machine?


And while you're in Hell, could you pick me up some brimstone?

Certainly. I'll also tell Lucifer "good day" on your behalf.
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Postby Samuraikoku » Wed Jun 01, 2011 7:12 pm

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And while you're in Hell, could you pick me up some brimstone?

Certainly. I'll also tell Lucifer "good day" on your behalf.


If you can, tell him on my behalf that he cannot escape from the Almighty Bunghole.

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Postby Norstal » Wed Jun 01, 2011 7:13 pm

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Luciratus wrote:Certainly. I'll also tell Lucifer "good day" on your behalf.


If you can, tell him on my behalf that he cannot escape from the Almighty Bunghole.

You have B&B in Argentina?

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Postby Luciratus » Wed Jun 01, 2011 7:14 pm

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Luciratus wrote:Certainly. I'll also tell Lucifer "good day" on your behalf.


If you can, tell him on my behalf that he cannot escape from the Almighty Bunghole.

Why ever would you make such an assertion?
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Postby Luciratus » Wed Jun 01, 2011 7:14 pm

Norstal wrote:
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If you can, tell him on my behalf that he cannot escape from the Almighty Bunghole.

You have B&B in Argentina?

*Imagines B&B in Spanish.*

Perdon? Que es B y B?
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Postby Norstal » Wed Jun 01, 2011 7:16 pm

Luciratus wrote:
Norstal wrote:You have B&B in Argentina?

*Imagines B&B in Spanish.*

Perdon? Que es B y B?

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Postby Samuraikoku » Wed Jun 01, 2011 7:20 pm

Luciratus wrote:
Samuraikoku wrote:
If you can, tell him on my behalf that he cannot escape from the Almighty Bunghole.


Why ever would you make such an assertion?


Because I am CORNHOLIO!

Norstal wrote:
Samuraikoku wrote:
If you can, tell him on my behalf that he cannot escape from the Almighty Bunghole.


You have B&B in Argentina?

*Imagines B&B in Spanish.*


We used to at least (I don't know if it still airs). But Latin dubbing SUCKS. Subtitles all the way! (Not that I need them, I'm fluent enough to understand English without them).

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Postby Bitchkitten » Wed Jun 01, 2011 8:22 pm

Bitchkitten wrote:
Shaoyuan wrote:
How about the US for one? It's not perfect for either sex but if you're a female parent or indeed criminal you'll have a much easier time in the justice system than your male equivalent. And women get paid less because they work less hours, so don't even bring it up. Women have a right to an abortion, whereas the man doesn't get a say either way. I'm sorry if you were raped but I don't think that really happens to very many people at all.


Thankyou for handing me your head. You apparently weren't using it anyway.

Yes, women usually get custody. That can be partially explained by the fact that 70% of men do not even attempt to get custody. After a divorce, men have an increase in their standard of living. Women and children have a substantial decrease.

Women get paid less for the same amount of work, not because they work fewer hours. Women who have better job histories, reviews and more seniority still get paid less than their male counterparts in the same jobs.

A man doesn't get a say in an abortion because it's not his body. Would you like me to be able to say what medical procedures you have done?

According to United States Department of Justice document Criminal Victimization in the United States, there were overall 191,670 victims of rape or sexual assault reported in 2005. 1 of 6 U.S. women has experienced an attempted or completed rape.

So depressing. A few random facts and he's too frightened to reply. How does he ever expect to grow up to be a big bad troll with such a lack of persistence?

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Postby The Chaos Heart » Wed Jun 01, 2011 9:36 pm

Samuraikoku wrote:
Let's see if you can figure it out: Does everything you *think* is actually a reasonable construction of your brain? Human beings simply express the desire of having children actually embedded in them as animals.


Sorry, but no. That's not the way it works. The desire for a human being to have a child does not come simply from "animal instinct". How does that make any sense. By definition, "instinct" is something that is preformed without thinking. The very fact that someone can rationalize "I want a child" and name specifics of what kind of child appeals to them is not a matter of instinct. So sorry, but you are completely dead wrong. XD

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Postby Bitchkitten » Wed Jun 01, 2011 9:41 pm

The Chaos Heart wrote:
Samuraikoku wrote:
Let's see if you can figure it out: Does everything you *think* is actually a reasonable construction of your brain? Human beings simply express the desire of having children actually embedded in them as animals.


Sorry, but no. That's not the way it works. The desire for a human being to have a child does not come simply from "animal instinct". How does that make any sense. By definition, "instinct" is something that is preformed without thinking. The very fact that someone can rationalize "I want a child" and name specifics of what kind of child appeals to them is not a matter of instinct. So sorry, but you are completely dead wrong. XD

Not neccessarily true. We can think rationally about a lot of the things we do that are inborn drives. Like eating.

Did you know that women at night clubs show more skin when ovulating? That a woman is more likely to be unfaithful when ovulating? I'm sure that they think of reasons why they are unfaithful, but I doubt " 'cause I'm ovulating" comes to mind.

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Postby Geniasis » Wed Jun 01, 2011 10:13 pm

Bitchkitten wrote:
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Sorry, but no. That's not the way it works. The desire for a human being to have a child does not come simply from "animal instinct". How does that make any sense. By definition, "instinct" is something that is preformed without thinking. The very fact that someone can rationalize "I want a child" and name specifics of what kind of child appeals to them is not a matter of instinct. So sorry, but you are completely dead wrong. XD

Not neccessarily true. We can think rationally about a lot of the things we do that are inborn drives. Like eating.

Did you know that women at night clubs show more skin when ovulating? That a woman is more likely to be unfaithful when ovulating? I'm sure that they think of reasons why they are unfaithful, but I doubt " 'cause I'm ovulating" comes to mind.


The closest I can find to a lesson here is, "when at a club, sleep with the chick wearing the most clothing. She probably won't get pregnant."
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Postby Lathuria » Wed Jun 01, 2011 10:15 pm

lol....rofl......lmao....lmfao.
Silly woman. Not all men support rape... just me! No but really, just another WASP.
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Postby Pinewald » Wed Jun 01, 2011 10:59 pm

Atlantian Empire wrote:http://evebitfirst.wordpress.com/2011/05/18/a-man-is-a-rape-supporter-if/
Doesn't say that flatout, but the intent is there. The list is so beyond dumb in some areas it is obviously meant to encompass all men in general. Didn't see this on here, maybe I missed it. Here are some highlights.. ■He has gone to a strip club. :rofl: somebody better lock me up then! How dare I like looking at attractive women shaking their money makers! ■He frames discussions of pornography in terms of “freedom of speech.” :rofl: Silly me thinking I had freedom of speech. ■He watches pornography in which women are depicted. HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHA!! Lesson here....You watch porn with women in it you are a rapist. Thoughts NS. Even the ones that may have a point are vague. She doesn't even seem to have that high of a view on women for that matter.


If her views on her own gender aren't too great either, than she's a misogynistic moron bent on just getting cash and not abiding by newly traditional equal rights or even the value of her own gender. Total loon getting airtime again.
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Postby Geniasis » Wed Jun 01, 2011 11:17 pm

"Newly traditional"?
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DaWoad wrote:nah, she only fought because, as everyone knows, the brits can't make a decent purse to save their lives and she had a VERY important shopping trip coming up!


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Postby Tahar Joblis » Wed Jun 01, 2011 11:40 pm

Bitchkitten wrote:
Bitchkitten wrote:According to United States Department of Justice document Criminal Victimization in the United States, there were overall 191,670 victims of rape or sexual assault reported in 2005. 1 of 6 U.S. women has experienced an attempted or completed rape.

So depressing. A few random facts and he's too frightened to reply. How does he ever expect to grow up to be a big bad troll with such a lack of persistence?

What I want to know is - how did you string together two incompatible figures together like that without blinking?

I'm not sure you quite realized it, but the 191,670 isn't the total of reported incidents for 2005. It's an estimate for the total number of incidents of sexual assault and rape, both reported and non-reported, which occurred in 2005, based on survey data (National Crime Victimization Survey - see here.) The figures from the NCVS, however, are at odds with the one-in-six figure, or the fashionable "one in four college women" figure that seems to be getting quite popular.

If the one-in-six figure is true, then the NCVS is horribly flawed. If the 191,670 estimate is true, then the one-in-six figure is horribly flawed.

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Postby Nazis in Space » Wed Jun 01, 2011 11:52 pm

Tahar Joblis wrote:
Bitchkitten wrote:So depressing. A few random facts and he's too frightened to reply. How does he ever expect to grow up to be a big bad troll with such a lack of persistence?

What I want to know is - how did you string together two incompatible figures together like that without blinking?
Women and maths.

If the one-in-six figure is true, then the NCVS is horribly flawed. If the 191,670 estimate is true, then the one-in-six figure is horribly flawed.
For the record and math impaired, this would give an upper limit (Including false allegations, frantic STD/ pregnancy explanations etc.) of a rape-occurance rate that's circa one in ten. Or one in eleven if false allegations etc. are excluded, assuming that low-end estimates of false allegations/ storytime are true. One in twenty if the high-end estimates thereof are correct.
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Postby Tahar Joblis » Thu Jun 02, 2011 12:10 am

Nazis in Space wrote:
Tahar Joblis wrote:What I want to know is - how did you string together two incompatible figures together like that without blinking?
Women and maths.

I guarantee you I know plenty of women better with math than you are. That's not the problem. Indeed, most of my students would be able to solve this problem and get at least as good an estimate as you, male or female as to what the NCVS figures should imply in terms of how many people out there are rape victims (you are, by the way, providing a much-too-high "upper limit" based on the NCVS rape rate); the problem is uncritically repeating numbers without thinking carefully about them, which both men and women are liable to do.
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Postby Nazis in Space » Thu Jun 02, 2011 12:16 am

Tahar Joblis wrote:I guarantee you I know plenty of women better with math than you are. That's not the problem. Indeed, most of my students would be able to solve this problem and get at least as good an estimate as you, male or female as to what the NCVS figures should imply in terms of how many people out there are rape victims (you are, by the way, providing a much-too-high "upper limit" based on the NCVS rape rate); the problem is uncritically repeating numbers without thinking carefully about them, which both men and women are liable to do.
It's called humour, you know.

How's it too high, though?

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Postby Tahar Joblis » Thu Jun 02, 2011 12:41 am

Nazis in Space wrote:
Tahar Joblis wrote:I guarantee you I know plenty of women better with math than you are. That's not the problem. Indeed, most of my students would be able to solve this problem and get at least as good an estimate as you, male or female as to what the NCVS figures should imply in terms of how many people out there are rape victims (you are, by the way, providing a much-too-high "upper limit" based on the NCVS rape rate); the problem is uncritically repeating numbers without thinking carefully about them, which both men and women are liable to do.
It's called humour, you know.

How's it too high, though?

The average age for a woman currently resident in the US is about 38. Since we are operating from a premise that the vast majority of rapes are acquaintance rape on physically mature (and usually legally adult) victims, this gives us a window of around 26 years in which she is likely to have experienced rape, from a 12 year old forward.

The rate of sexual attacks in the 2005 NCVS is 0.8 per 1,000 "adults" (NCVS 12 y/o + population) per annum. If you assume that all victims are female, you get to double that to 1.6. The "thus far in your life" figure, for a woman of median age, would therefore be 40 per 1,000 for experiencing some kind of attack.This is assuming, of course, that repeat victims are statistically insignificant.

The figure for actual rapes, however, is lower - one third as much, roughly, or 10-20 per 1,000. What's missing from that figure, however, is that rape rates used to be several times as high. In particular, in 1980, about 2.4 per 1,000 per capita - triple the total rate of sexual attacks in the 2005 NCVS. Even applying a more-or-less-time-averaged estimate, though, it's going to be hard to arrive at anything higher than one in fifteen using NCVS data, and if all you've been quoted are the 2005 figures, you really should be estimating a much lower total.
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Postby Samuraikoku » Thu Jun 02, 2011 4:02 am

The Chaos Heart wrote:
Samuraikoku wrote:
Let's see if you can figure it out: Does everything you *think* is actually a reasonable construction of your brain? Human beings simply express the desire of having children actually embedded in them as animals.


Sorry, but no. That's not the way it works. The desire for a human being to have a child does not come simply from "animal instinct". How does that make any sense. By definition, "instinct" is something that is preformed without thinking. The very fact that someone can rationalize "I want a child" and name specifics of what kind of child appeals to them is not a matter of instinct. So sorry, but you are completely dead wrong. XD


:palm: You clearly didn't figure it out. Bitchkitten explained it for you.

Bitchkitten wrote:Not neccessarily true. We can think rationally about a lot of the things we do that are inborn drives. Like eating.

Did you know that women at night clubs show more skin when ovulating? That a woman is more likely to be unfaithful when ovulating? I'm sure that they think of reasons why they are unfaithful, but I doubt " 'cause I'm ovulating" comes to mind.


And the same thing applies to the desire to have children at one point in people's lives. They may rationalize it, but it's just an expression of an inborn drive (instinct). That's the difference between human beings and other animals as far as instinct is concerned.
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Postby Kazomal » Thu Jun 02, 2011 4:25 am

Bitchkitten wrote:Yes, women usually get custody. That can be partially explained by the fact that 70% of men do not even attempt to get custody. After a divorce, men have an increase in their standard of living. Women and children have a substantial decrease.

Women get paid less for the same amount of work, not because they work fewer hours. Women who have better job histories, reviews and more seniority still get paid less than their male counterparts in the same jobs.

A man doesn't get a say in an abortion because it's not his body. Would you like me to be able to say what medical procedures you have done?

According to United States Department of Justice document Criminal Victimization in the United States, there were overall 191,670 victims of rape or sexual assault reported in 2005. 1 of 6 U.S. women has experienced an attempted or completed rape.


Women single young women make more than single young men, and have an easier time getting entry-level jobs with a real salary and benefits. More women than men go to college. Men are more likely to be victims of violent crimes. Women are more able to move up out of lower socio-economic backgrounds.

I'm not saying that we don't have women's issues, but it's not like to be a woman is to be a serf. Most women's issues deal with poverty, and the unique ways in which poverty impacts women. The issue is class and economics. The women's movement needs to stop focusing on white upper-middle class women, and start focusing on those who are truly oppressed; migrant workers, women of color, women living in poverty. Broader, we need to be attacking the root causes of most of society's ills, for men and for women, and that roots cause is poverty.

We've seen an incredible liberalization on attitudes towards women in the last 50 years, I think that it's one of the three areas, along with gay rights and medical marijuana legalization, in which the nation is moving unmistakably in the right direction, and will continue to do so, despite the haters.
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Postby Keronians » Thu Jun 02, 2011 10:13 am

Kazomal wrote:
Bitchkitten wrote:Yes, women usually get custody. That can be partially explained by the fact that 70% of men do not even attempt to get custody. After a divorce, men have an increase in their standard of living. Women and children have a substantial decrease.

Women get paid less for the same amount of work, not because they work fewer hours. Women who have better job histories, reviews and more seniority still get paid less than their male counterparts in the same jobs.

A man doesn't get a say in an abortion because it's not his body. Would you like me to be able to say what medical procedures you have done?

According to United States Department of Justice document Criminal Victimization in the United States, there were overall 191,670 victims of rape or sexual assault reported in 2005. 1 of 6 U.S. women has experienced an attempted or completed rape.


Women single young women make more than single young men, and have an easier time getting entry-level jobs with a real salary and benefits. More women than men go to college. Men are more likely to be victims of violent crimes. Women are more able to move up out of lower socio-economic backgrounds.

I'm not saying that we don't have women's issues, but it's not like to be a woman is to be a serf. Most women's issues deal with poverty, and the unique ways in which poverty impacts women. The issue is class and economics. The women's movement needs to stop focusing on white upper-middle class women, and start focusing on those who are truly oppressed; migrant workers, women of color, women living in poverty. Broader, we need to be attacking the root causes of most of society's ills, for men and for women, and that roots cause is poverty.

We've seen an incredible liberalization on attitudes towards women in the last 50 years, I think that it's one of the three areas, along with gay rights and medical marijuana legalization, in which the nation is moving unmistakably in the right direction, and will continue to do so, despite the haters.


This sums up many of my views on this issue more or less. Though rape is also something which many women have to deal with in their lifetimes. Which only a few men have to.
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Awarded the Bronze Medal for General Debating at the 11th Annual Posters' Awards. Awarded Best New Poster at the 11th Annual Posters' Awards.
It is almost universally felt that when we call a country democratic we are praising it; consequently, the defenders of every kind of regime claim that it is a democracy, and fear that they might have to stop using the word if it were tied down to any one meaning.
George Orwell
· Private property
· Free foreign trade
· Exchange of goods and services
· Free formation of prices

· Market regulation
· Social security
· Universal healthcare
· Unemployment insurance

This is a capitalist model.

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Lyokoia
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Founded: May 27, 2011
Ex-Nation

Postby Lyokoia » Thu Jun 02, 2011 10:17 am

In the words of Carl Johnson: wow, that bitch fucked up.
Last edited by Lyokoia on Thu Jun 02, 2011 10:17 am, edited 1 time in total.

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