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Should the United States continue to support Israel?

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Postby Farnhamia » Mon May 23, 2011 4:26 pm

Keronians wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:Because non-citizen votes can be discarded more easily?


Why?

Because none of you has a sense of humor?
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Postby Conserative Morality » Mon May 23, 2011 4:27 pm

Farnhamia wrote:Because none of you has a sense of humor?

Furriners don't get 'Merican humor.
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Postby Keronians » Mon May 23, 2011 4:28 pm

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Keronians wrote:
Why?

Because none of you has a sense of humor?


Ahhh, I see now.

Sorry, sarcasm metre broken. :|
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Postby Farnhamia » Mon May 23, 2011 4:30 pm

Keronians wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:Because none of you has a sense of humor?


Ahhh, I see now.

Sorry, sarcasm metre broken. :|

I saw a nice one on Amazon. ;)
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Postby Chevrolet Corvette » Mon May 23, 2011 4:31 pm

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Chevrolet Corvette wrote:Thats really sad when you think Palestine have been good... when THEY started the war and Palestine supports the HAMAS organization WHICH BTW Palestine will not stop when they get a "lil" land


I don't think that any party has been good, but the people are angry at Israel because they are denying them land. The HAMAS organization are doing this violently, which I condemn. But the regular people who are living in poverty are angry at Israel, for they are denying the land to them.

Well then the people should step up against the organization and defeat them WITH Israeli help because you have to put yourself in Israel's shoes they are doing this to stay alive and those points are KEY defensive positions

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Postby Dusk_Kittens » Mon May 23, 2011 5:36 pm

Terra Agora wrote:Should we trade with it? Yes
Should we stay "friends"? Sure
Should we support them militarily? No
Should we support everything they do? No


I agree with this above.

Solyhniya wrote:Yes. Israel's the only Jewish nation on the planet surrounded by people who hate Jews with a passion and have waged wars on it constantly since 1948.


And whose fault is that? Sure, the US and the UK decided to give Palestine to those who are now Israelis, but they didn't have to agree to that scheme, nor did they have to do everything possible to further antagonize their neighbors once they did go there.

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Postby Chevrolet Corvette » Tue May 24, 2011 9:50 am

Dusk_Kittens wrote:
Terra Agora wrote:Should we trade with it? Yes
Should we stay "friends"? Sure
Should we support them militarily? No
Should we support everything they do? No


I agree with this above.

Solyhniya wrote:Yes. Israel's the only Jewish nation on the planet surrounded by people who hate Jews with a passion and have waged wars on it constantly since 1948.


And whose fault is that? Sure, the US and the UK decided to give Palestine to those who are now Israelis, but they didn't have to agree to that scheme, nor did they have to do everything possible to further antagonize their neighbors once they did go there.

Chinese Regions wrote:But the real question is should the USA support Saudi Arabia?


No.

Lulz palestine wasn't there before Israeli's just saying

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Postby Keronians » Tue May 24, 2011 9:51 am

Chevrolet Corvette wrote:
Dusk_Kittens wrote:
I agree with this above.



And whose fault is that? Sure, the US and the UK decided to give Palestine to those who are now Israelis, but they didn't have to agree to that scheme, nor did they have to do everything possible to further antagonize their neighbors once they did go there.



No.

Lulz palestine wasn't there before Israeli's just saying


Kinda were.
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Postby Chevrolet Corvette » Tue May 24, 2011 9:59 am

Keronians wrote:
Chevrolet Corvette wrote:Lulz palestine wasn't there before Israeli's just saying


Kinda were.

palestine came from syria Damascais (how ever its spelt) regions while the israeli's were in Jerusalem region

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Postby Mike the Progressive » Tue May 24, 2011 10:03 am

To a point. Though it shouldn't be a "blank check" policy. We reiterate that we will defend the Israeli people from annihilation and that is the extent of it.
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Postby New Celisia » Tue May 24, 2011 10:07 am

We should be the enemies of radical Islam. Israel is the enemy of such, Israel doesn't play around when attacked. If Israel needs something it takes it. Just like any country in the course of history, of course we chide them as we ourselves are at war in the middle east. A war for oil. We have no place to judge them, at least they are trying to take land to house their people, and not be greedy about oil. Israel is what we should have become. It's tiny and and it's basically a world power.


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Postby Chevrolet Corvette » Tue May 24, 2011 10:17 am

New Celisia wrote:We should be the enemies of radical Islam. Israel is the enemy of such, Israel doesn't play around when attacked. If Israel needs something it takes it. Just like any country in the course of history, of course we chide them as we ourselves are at war in the middle east. A war for oil. We have no place to judge them, at least they are trying to take land to house their people, and not be greedy about oil. Israel is what we should have become. It's tiny and and it's basically a world power.

although US hasn't taken one drop of oil with out paying...

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Postby New Celisia » Tue May 24, 2011 10:31 am

Chevrolet Corvette wrote:
New Celisia wrote:We should be the enemies of radical Islam. Israel is the enemy of such, Israel doesn't play around when attacked. If Israel needs something it takes it. Just like any country in the course of history, of course we chide them as we ourselves are at war in the middle east. A war for oil. We have no place to judge them, at least they are trying to take land to house their people, and not be greedy about oil. Israel is what we should have become. It's tiny and and it's basically a world power.

although US hasn't taken one drop of oil with out paying...


We secured the safety of said oil, so that we would continue to have access to it.


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Postby Dododecapod » Tue May 24, 2011 10:37 am

Yes. By showing that we stand by our allies even in extremis, we make it more likely that our allies will do the same for us.
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Postby Yuktova » Tue May 24, 2011 11:48 am

New Celisia wrote:
Chevrolet Corvette wrote:although US hasn't taken one drop of oil with out paying...


We secured the safety of said oil, so that we would continue to have access to it.


You probably think war is good, don't you? Stop supporting the Capitalistic, Moralistic, Religious, and Arrogant States of America or the CMRASA for short!
I really am displeased that you think war is good. All it does is kill human beings who have the right to live as much as you do. But of course, you call them tribals, and say it's ok to shoot them with machine-guns, right?
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Postby Terra Agora » Tue May 24, 2011 11:50 am

Unilisia wrote:
Terra Agora wrote:Should we trade with it? Yes
Should we stay "friends"? Sure
Should we support them militarily? No
Should we support everything they do? No


^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

The most sense I've read out of this thread, and something I can agree with.

This isn't just for Israel. This should be our foreign policy for every country.
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Postby EnragedMaldivians » Tue May 24, 2011 11:57 am

Terra Agora wrote:
Unilisia wrote:
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

The most sense I've read out of this thread, and something I can agree with.

This isn't just for Israel. This should be our foreign policy for every country.


You know - you don't support them militarily just to show off, but because it's profitable to do so. Maybe it's not a good idea to let the countries you trade with, or have important resources you don't - blow each other up into smithereens.
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Postby Terra Agora » Tue May 24, 2011 12:03 pm

EnragedMaldivians wrote:
Terra Agora wrote:This isn't just for Israel. This should be our foreign policy for every country.


You know - you don't support them militarily just to show off, but because it's profitable to do so. Maybe it's not a good idea to let the countries you trade with, or have important resources you don't - blow each other up into smithereens.

Ahh yes the Iraq and Afghanistan wars have been so profitable.
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Postby Tekania » Tue May 24, 2011 12:09 pm

Solyhniya wrote:
Vecherd wrote:Yes the U.S should continue to support the only democracy in the middle east, with good human rights and all other kinds of rights. Plus you can buy alcohol there!


Exactly, try being gay in any other Middle Eastern country and see how far you get.


Yes, in other parts of the Middle East, you think you were in the United States.
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Postby EnglandTown » Tue May 24, 2011 12:16 pm

Its been A long Historic battle between the Middle east and Israel...I think we should leave it alone Until The Last Minute....
None of them seem to want our support anyway U.S or U.K
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Postby Pope Joan » Tue May 24, 2011 12:18 pm

Let us be honest with our support. First off, Israel has not given any benefit to the US, they have led us into unneeded conflict and never been a bastion demonstration project for democracy in the Mideast as was hoped.

itemize everything under "foreign aid";' no more wink-wink nudge-nudge items such as the decades of "loans" for which interest was never demanded.

Then, let's help rebuild the beaches, resorts and orchards of Lebanon which Israel wantonly destroyed. "Oh but they were Military targets"? Pffft.

Finally I cao agree with Obama about matching every Israel dollar with a dollar for the new Egypt.
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Postby New Celisia » Tue May 24, 2011 12:20 pm

I think the United States' Provinces of the Middle East sounds catchy.


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Postby Knask » Tue May 24, 2011 12:36 pm

Should the U.S. support Israel? Sure. It's not like something as quaint as human rights violations is getting in the way of the US supporting other nations, so why should Israel be special?
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Postby Keronians » Tue May 24, 2011 12:38 pm

Terra Agora wrote:
EnragedMaldivians wrote:
You know - you don't support them militarily just to show off, but because it's profitable to do so. Maybe it's not a good idea to let the countries you trade with, or have important resources you don't - blow each other up into smithereens.

Ahh yes the Iraq and Afghanistan wars have been so profitable.


You supported, actually, DO support Europe militarily.

And that HAS been profitable.
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Postby Keronians » Tue May 24, 2011 12:39 pm

Tekania wrote:
Solyhniya wrote:
Exactly, try being gay in any other Middle Eastern country and see how far you get.


Yes, in other parts of the Middle East, you think you were in the United States.


:rofl:
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