Should the U.S. support Israel?

[Chevrolet Corvette]

Yes Israel is very VERY useful to the US

[Chevrolet Corvette]

I'M NOT FROM THE STATES AND I DON'T PARTICULARLY LIKE WHAT THE STATE OF HAS DONE TO THE PALESTINIAN NATION OVER THE YEARS,BUT TALKING ABOUT US INTERESTS I THINK ABANDONING ISRAEL WOULD BE STRATEGICALLY DISASTROUS.
THE AMERICAN EMPIRE IS(NOT UNAVOIDABLY) DECLINING.LOOSING SUCH A POWERFUL AND FRIENDLY ALLY AT THIS MOMENT WOULD ONLY SERVE RUSSIAN AND CHINESE INTERESTS.
BECAUSE WE ARE BOMBARDED (AND RIGHTFULLY SO) WITH INFORMATION OF ISRAELI ABUSE OF PALESTINIANS WE TEND TO FORGET THAT ITS NEIGHBORS,LIKE TURKEY EGYPT AND SYRIA ARE OPPRESSIVE STATES AS WELL,WITH LITTLE POLITICAL FREEDOMS AND FREQUENT ABUSE OF MINORITIES(SEE TURKISH GENOCIDES, TURKISH AND SYRIAN OPPRESSION OF KURDS,TERRORISM ON CHRISTIANS IN EGYPT ETC.) .
IN THE LONG RUN AMERICA WOULD ONLY EARN SOME SYMPATHY AMONG ARABS,BUT KNOWING THE DEEP ANTIAMERICANISM IN THE REGION AND THE VERY STRONG INFLUENCE OF RIVALS LIKE RUSSIA AND IRAN THE US WOULD BE GRADUALLY ISOLATED.
WHAT AMERICAN DIPLOMATS SHOULD DO IS TO PRESS ISRAELIS TO FINALLY ACCEPT A TWO STATE SOLUTION,WHICH NATURALLY WILL LEAD TO LASTING PEACE,BUT NOT ABANDONING AN ALLIANCE IN WHICH THE US HAS INVESTED SO MUCH.

Troll? lulz and btw palestine started a war they cannot win even Egypt is against Palestine (well since some of them support the HAMAS organization) and Israel is NOT oppressive.

Edit: Just wondering if he is a troll because everything is in cap's

[Keronians]

Turkey. Libya after Gadhafi's gone. Maybe Yemen after Saleh's gone. Maybe Egypt depending on how that turns out. Actually, I guess we have to be allies with Yemen because I don't see the Saudi's helping with al Qaeda.

But I agree that Turkey's our best bet in the Middle East.

Libya?

Taking Israel out of the equation, your main regional interest in the Middle East is preserving Saudi security - because they are the swing producer state, that gurantees an inexpensive energy supply. Turkey actually makes sense, vis-a-vis Iranian containment, but Libya?

I also personally feel the U.S should be willing to negotiate a rapproachment with Iran. You had your chance for a counter coup 30 years ago - and you blew it. Adjust.

And with Israel - it really is a matter of domestic politics, and facing up to AIPAC.

Wait, take a look at this:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2011 ... -wikileaks

I was honestly surprised.

[EnragedMaldivians]

Libya?

Taking Israel out of the equation, your main regional interest in the Middle East is preserving Saudi security - because they are the swing producer state, that gurantees an inexpensive energy supply. Turkey actually makes sense, vis-a-vis Iranian containment, but Libya?

I also personally feel the U.S should be willing to negotiate a rapproachment with Iran. You had your chance for a counter coup 30 years ago - and you blew it. Adjust.

And with Israel - it really is a matter of domestic politics, and facing up to AIPAC.

Wait, take a look at this:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2011 ... -wikileaks

I was honestly surprised.

I read that a while ago - seeing as my government went into a panic over it, it was a hard story to miss.

But I've always said that U.S support for Saudi Arabia should be predicated on them not having run out of oil yet. When it does run out - screw em.

[Vellosia]

But I've always said that U.S support for Saudi Arabia should be predicated on them not having run out of oil yet. When it does run out - screw em.

To be honest, I think that's the case for virtually the entire Middle East.

[Glorious Freedonia]

You are either for Israel or against Israel. I am and will always be for Israel. Anyone that doesn't is a jew hater.

[Vellosia]

You are either for Israel or against Israel. I am and will always be for Israel. Anyone that doesn't is a jew hater.

How naive.

[EnragedMaldivians]

But I've always said that U.S support for Saudi Arabia should be predicated on them not having run out of oil yet. When it does run out - screw em.

To be honest, I think that's the case for virtually the entire Middle East.

Meh - there's other issues at stake; without a security regime enforced you'd probably create an emigration crises. The regions pretty volatile - and further unrest would probably exacerbate Europes cultural assimilation issues.

Though at the end of the day - it's the economy that matters really.

[Ron Paulica]

We probably shouldn't support anyone financially since we're broke. Even if we weren't, I don't think it's our place to give financial aid to any country or group.

[Yuktova]

Ater Israel fired on Syrian protesters, and then deny to give Palestinians some land, I do not think they should receive support from the U.S.

Nor any other country, if they want their sovereignty and still act badly to other cultures, then no. The U.S. nor any other nation, should support this.

This comes from an Anarcho-Communist. Thank you for reading!

[Yuktova]

You are either for Israel or against Israel. I am and will always be for Israel. Anyone that doesn't is a jew hater.

Your level of annorgance astonishes me. So by your response, I am a "Jew hater". Well, I will tell you right now, that I am not. I have Jewish relatives, and we get along fine. I support Israel, but at the same time, I do not. Actions speak loader than words, and what Israel did is bad. Shooting innocent protesters? Denying land that had been inhabited after they left Zion? That's unspeakably evil right there.

Sorry for the double post.

[Georgism]

You are either for Israel or against Israel. I am and will always be for Israel. Anyone that doesn't is a jew hater.

I am indeed a jew hater.

[Chevrolet Corvette]

Ater Israel fired on Syrian protesters, and then deny to give Palestinians some land, I do not think they should receive support from the U.S.

Nor any other country, if they want their sovereignty and still act badly to other cultures, then no. The U.S. nor any other nation, should support this.

This comes from an Anarcho-Communist. Thank you for reading!

I'm sorry but if syrian protestors charge at you from the border they had to react or they would of been the ones dead.... people like you are just pissed off cause Israel has done nothing but being good and guess what? A DIVIDED JERUSALEM IS LIKE a divided Berlin WILL NOT WORK

[Conserative Morality]

You are either for Israel or against Israel. I am and will always be for Israel. Anyone that doesn't is a jew hater.

You're right. I hate all Jews.

[Coccygia]

Yes. Who should we support? Freaking Pakistan?

[Conserative Morality]

Yes. Who should we support? Freaking Pakistan?

Turkey.

[Unilisia]

Should we trade with it? Yes
Should we stay "friends"? Sure
Should we support them militarily? No
Should we support everything they do? No

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The most sense I've read out of this thread, and something I can agree with.

[Conserative Morality]

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The most sense I've read out of this thread, and something I can agree with.

Rabble rabble, we shouldn't stay friends with Israel but I'm too lazy to copy-paste my earlier rant in the thread.

[Yuktova]

Ater Israel fired on Syrian protesters, and then deny to give Palestinians some land, I do not think they should receive support from the U.S.

Nor any other country, if they want their sovereignty and still act badly to other cultures, then no. The U.S. nor any other nation, should support this.

This comes from an Anarcho-Communist. Thank you for reading!

I'm sorry but if syrian protestors charge at you from the border they had to react or they would of been the ones dead.... people like you are just pissed off cause Israel has done nothing but being good and guess what? A DIVIDED JERUSALEM IS LIKE a divided Berlin WILL NOT WORK

How have they been "good"? By denying Palestinians even some bit of land? By your post, that is very good, and Israel can not do anything wrong. That's really sad if you actually think that. The Palestinians deserve at least some land from Israel, but no. They say this because they are "enemies" because they share different beliefs.

[Chevrolet Corvette]

I'm sorry but if syrian protestors charge at you from the border they had to react or they would of been the ones dead.... people like you are just pissed off cause Israel has done nothing but being good and guess what? A DIVIDED JERUSALEM IS LIKE a divided Berlin WILL NOT WORK

How have they been "good"? By denying Palestinians even some bit of land? By your post, that is very good, and Israel can not do anything wrong. That's really sad if you actually think that. The Palestinians deserve at least some land from Israel, but no. They say this because they are "enemies" because they share different beliefs.

Thats really sad when you think Palestine have been good... when THEY started the war and Palestine supports the HAMAS organization WHICH BTW Palestine will not stop when they get a "lil" land

[You-Gi-Owe]

I'm curious about NS's opinion on this.

Do you think that the United States should be supporting Israel, why or why not?

I personally believe that we should stop supporting Israel because they are more trouble then they are worth and being there ally makes us enemies of the Islamic world.

I suggest that the poll be expanded to:
Yes, U.S. Citizen.
No, U.S. Citizen.
Yes, not a U.S. Citizen.
No, not a U.S. Citizen.

[Keronians]

I'm curious about NS's opinion on this.

Do you think that the United States should be supporting Israel, why or why not?

I personally believe that we should stop supporting Israel because they are more trouble then they are worth and being there ally makes us enemies of the Islamic world.

I suggest that the poll be expanded to:
Yes, U.S. Citizen.
No, U.S. Citizen.
Yes, not a U.S. Citizen.
No, not a U.S. Citizen.

Why does it matter whether we're US citizens or not?

[Yuktova]

How have they been "good"? By denying Palestinians even some bit of land? By your post, that is very good, and Israel can not do anything wrong. That's really sad if you actually think that. The Palestinians deserve at least some land from Israel, but no. They say this because they are "enemies" because they share different beliefs.

Thats really sad when you think Palestine have been good... when THEY started the war and Palestine supports the HAMAS organization WHICH BTW Palestine will not stop when they get a "lil" land

I don't think that any party has been good, but the people are angry at Israel because they are denying them land. The HAMAS organization are doing this violently, which I condemn. But the regular people who are living in poverty are angry at Israel, for they are denying the land to them.

[Farnhamia]

I suggest that the poll be expanded to:
Yes, U.S. Citizen.
No, U.S. Citizen.
Yes, not a U.S. Citizen.
No, not a U.S. Citizen.

Why does it matter whether we're US citizens or not?

Because non-citizen votes can be discarded more easily?

[Keronians]

Why does it matter whether we're US citizens or not?

Because non-citizen votes can be discarded more easily?

Why?