Should the U.S. support Israel?

[Conserative Morality]

CAUTION, yes. Dick-waving Bush style, not so much.

Clinton style mixture of soft and hard power is what moves a country forward. Arguably, Obama style mixture of soft and hard power also works wonders.

[Maropeng]

No. Boycott, Divestment, Sanctions.

^This.

[Keronians]

CAUTION, yes. Dick-waving Bush style, not so much.

Clinton style mixture of soft and hard power is what moves a country forward. Arguably, Obama style mixture of soft and hard power also works wonders.

I'm still uncomfortable with some of Obama's initiatives, but yeah, I'd agree with Clinton for the most part.

[Call to power]

Look at Europe. There's an example of how to make good use of soft power.

yes France did a Stella job keeping the peace in Côte d'Ivoire didn't it?

I like how off topic this thread has become btw

It isnt legal in Northern-Cyprus.

which doesn't mean they lynch you so how about you go back and actually read what I was quoting seeing as how I've corrected you for the second time?

[Darenjo]

Qatar?

Turkey.

Turkey. Libya after Gadhafi's gone. Maybe Yemen after Saleh's gone. Maybe Egypt depending on how that turns out. Actually, I guess we have to be allies with Yemen because I don't see the Saudi's helping with al Qaeda.

But I agree that Turkey's our best bet in the Middle East.

[Saiwania]

The U.S. should continue to support Israel. Israel is a modern, western nation whose foreign policy aligns with American and European interests while "Palestinians" are nothing more than a large enclave of jihadists who cannot be negotiated with because they demand all of Israel's land. People who elect terrorist groups such as Hamas to represent them.

[Darenjo]

CAUTION, yes. Dick-waving Bush style, not so much.

Clinton style mixture of soft and hard power is what moves a country forward. Arguably, Obama style mixture of soft and hard power also works wonders.

Clinton-style, yes. Obama-style, meh. I'm pretty sure that at least half of the people in Congress read the healthcare law after it was passed.

[Solyhniya]

No. Boycott, Divestment, Sanctions.

^This.

I purposefully buy Israeli stuff and most people don't care either way, so let's see how well this BDS works.

The issue of Palestinian civil rights can really only be solved with peaceful protest. Islamist militantism will not help the cause, ridiculous boycotts no-one cares about will not help the cause, trying to destroy Israel will not help the cause. What's important is that the individuals having their rights abused by Tel Aviv are treated better. The state of Israel, the religions of Islam and Judaism, they are irrelevant to this and will only cloud the issue.

[Conserative Morality]

Clinton-style, yes. Obama-style, meh. I'm pretty sure that at least half of the people in Congress read the healthcare law after it was passed.

Talking foreign policy, let's leave domestic policy out of this.

[EnragedMaldivians]

Turkey.

Turkey. Libya after Gadhafi's gone. Maybe Yemen after Saleh's gone. Maybe Egypt depending on how that turns out. Actually, I guess we have to be allies with Yemen because I don't see the Saudi's helping with al Qaeda.

But I agree that Turkey's our best bet in the Middle East.

Libya?

Taking Israel out of the equation, your main regional interest in the Middle East is preserving Saudi security - because they are the swing producer state, that gurantees an inexpensive energy supply. Turkey actually makes sense, vis-a-vis Iranian containment, but Libya?

I also personally feel the U.S should be willing to negotiate a rapproachment with Iran. You had your chance for a counter coup 30 years ago - and you blew it. Adjust.

And with Israel - it really is a matter of domestic politics, and facing up to AIPAC.

[Kuznetsovia]

we should support them, throughout history every1 has treated them like crap, why? idk, its freaking stupid.

they deserve peace

[Maropeng]

Israel is a modern, western nation whose foreign policy aligns with American and European interests ...

What, may I ask, is a western state doing in the middle east? And why is it that a nation's cultural orientation makes it more worthy of support than other nations?

The fact that its foreign policy aligns with American and European interests perfectly demonstrates just how immoral American and European interests currently are.

... while "Palestinians" are nothing more than a large enclave of jihadists who cannot be negotiated with because they demand all of Israel's land.

I don't buy into racist stereotypes; and the onus is on you to prove that Palestinians are "nothing more than a large enclave of jihadists". I'd just like to point out something here: it was Israel which in 1948 stole most of the Palestinian's land, encroached further in 1967, made a slight and completely inadequate concession when it withdrew from the Gaza Strip in 2005 (a tainted victory, because it soon imposed a siege on Gaza), and which continues to encroach upon Palestinian land in the West Bank. Palestinians are perfectly justified in demanding their land back. Of course those currently living in Israel can't be blamed for what their ancestors did, and they should be allowed to continue living there (although they do have a moral responsibility to oppose their state). But Israel as a state doesn't really have much of a right to exist; it was founded on theft. The creation of a single Palestinian state which incorporates all the land currently occupied by Israel, in which Jews would of course be allowed to live but in which there would be a right of return for Palestinian refugees and an affirmative action programme aimed at decreasing inequality between Jews and Palestinians, is the only solution that will be both viable and moral.

People who elect terrorist groups such as Hamas to represent them.

Perhaps if Israel had never stolen their land and then continued to commit injustice upon injustice upon them, they would never have turned to a terrorist organization to help them. Perhaps if Israel didn't continuously attempt to bomb them into the ground, they would never launch rockets at the Israelis. Israel only has itself to blame for that problem.

[Wienholdland]

Anyone who voted "yes" is a Jihad supporter.

[Conserative Morality]

Anyone who voted "yes" is a Jihad supporter.

Anyone who voted no hates Jews.

[Wienholdland]

Anyone who voted "yes" is a Jihad supporter.

Anyone who voted no hates Jews.

Naw, just because America doesn't support Israel doesn't even mean Israel will cease to exist, much less Jews.

[Conserative Morality]

Naw, just because America doesn't support Israel doesn't even mean Israel will cease to exist, much less Jews.

You aren't very good at discerning subtle meaning in the written word, are you?

[Genivaria]

Anyone who voted "yes" is a Jihad supporter.

Anyone who voted no hates Jews.

lulz

[Wienholdland]

Naw, just because America doesn't support Israel doesn't even mean Israel will cease to exist, much less Jews.

You aren't very good at discerning subtle meaning in the written word, are you?

No. The internet does not make up 90% of my social life.

[Conserative Morality]

No. The internet does not make up 90% of my social life.

The internet is the only place the written word appears.

Obviously.

[Wienholdland]

No. The internet does not make up 90% of my social life.

The internet is the only place the written word appears.

Obviously.

It is the only place the written word appears as sarcasm, etc. Reading a book does not give you the ability to decipher it.

[Genivaria]

You aren't very good at discerning subtle meaning in the written word, are you?

No. The internet does not make up 90% of my social life.

Heretic.

[Conserative Morality]

It is the only place the written word appears as sarcasm, etc. Reading a book does not give you the ability to decipher it.

Careful, we have an alliterate being amongst us.

[Wienholdland]

Anyway though, yeah, anyone who voted "yes" supports anti-US terrorism.

[Conserative Morality]

Anyway though, yeah, anyone who voted "yes" supports anti-US terrorism.

Anyone who votes 'no' supports Pro-US Terrorism.

[Wienholdland]

Anyway though, yeah, anyone who voted "yes" supports anti-US terrorism.

Anyone who votes 'no' supports Pro-US Terrorism.

Lies.