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Should the U.S. support Israel?

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Should the United States continue to support Israel?

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Should the U.S. support Israel?

Postby Genivaria » Sun May 22, 2011 2:06 pm

I'm curious about NS's opinion on this.

Do you think that the United States should be supporting Israel, why or why not?

I personally believe that we should stop supporting Israel because they are more trouble then they are worth and being there ally makes us enemies of the Islamic world.
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Postby Lackadaisical2 » Sun May 22, 2011 2:08 pm

I can't say I entirely see the benefit, it can be a loose cannon at times(or seems that way), which could be useful I suppose.
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Postby Wienholdland » Sun May 22, 2011 2:12 pm

No. Israel is a huge detriment to the United States.

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Postby Risna » Sun May 22, 2011 2:13 pm

This is.... a difficult question. Because Israel has to constantly defend itself from ultimate destruction. One one hand If we supported Israel (and indirectly defeated it's enemies) then much of the Middle East would be peaceful. However at what cost? If we do not support Israel this nuclear standoff will continue most likely until the other is destroyed. It is a lose lose situation.
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Postby Keronians » Sun May 22, 2011 2:15 pm

Risna wrote:This is.... a difficult question. Because Israel has to constantly defend itself from ultimate destruction. One one hand If we supported Israel (and indirectly defeated it's enemies) then much of the Middle East would be peaceful. However at what cost? If we do not support Israel this nuclear standoff will continue most likely until the other is destroyed. It is a lose lose situation.


You could also support its enemies.

Anyway, yeah, the cost is huge.

I'd prefer to have some sort of status quo in the Middle East.
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Postby Genivaria » Sun May 22, 2011 2:17 pm

Because Israel has to constantly defend itself from ultimate destruction.

Not our problem.
One one hand If we supported Israel (and indirectly defeated it's enemies) then much of the Middle East would be peaceful.

We already support Israel and the Middle East is far from peaceful.
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Postby Keronians » Sun May 22, 2011 2:19 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Because Israel has to constantly defend itself from ultimate destruction.

Not our problem.
One one hand If we supported Israel (and indirectly defeated it's enemies) then much of the Middle East would be peaceful.

We already support Israel and the Middle East is far from peaceful.


It IS your problem. Whether you like it or not.

Back in the '40s and '50s, not so much, but you guys chose to make it your problem, and now you're stuck with that problem.
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Postby Terra Agora » Sun May 22, 2011 2:21 pm

Should we trade with it? Yes
Should we stay "friends"? Sure
Should we support them militarily? No
Should we support everything they do? No
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Postby Solyhniya » Sun May 22, 2011 2:23 pm

Yes. Israel's the only Jewish nation on the planet surrounded by people who hate Jews with a passion and have waged wars on it constantly since 1948.

Hopefully, Israel will become strong enough so that it doesn't need American support any more, just in case the US changes its policies towards helping Israel.
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Postby Genivaria » Sun May 22, 2011 2:23 pm

Terra Agora wrote:Should we trade with it? Yes
Should we stay "friends"? Sure
Should we support them militarily? No
Should we support everything they do? No

:eek:
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Postby Vecherd » Sun May 22, 2011 2:24 pm

Yes the U.S should continue to support the only democracy in the middle east, with good human rights and all other kinds of rights. Plus you can buy alcohol there!
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Postby Chinese Regions » Sun May 22, 2011 2:24 pm

It still should maintain relations to avoid war but it definitely must stop giving Israel weapons. But the real question is should the USA support Saudi Arabia?
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Postby Solyhniya » Sun May 22, 2011 2:26 pm

Vecherd wrote:Yes the U.S should continue to support the only democracy in the middle east, with good human rights and all other kinds of rights. Plus you can buy alcohol there!


Exactly, try being gay in any other Middle Eastern country and see how far you get. Also, try practising freedom of religion anywhere else in the Middle East. Then tell me how evil Israel is compared to Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Yemen, Egypt, Syria, Iran... etc.
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Postby Nightkill the Emperor » Sun May 22, 2011 2:26 pm

Terra Agora wrote:Should we trade with it? Yes
Should we stay "friends"? Sure
Should we support them militarily? No
Should we support everything they do? No

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Postby Zhugyu » Sun May 22, 2011 2:26 pm

Chinese Regions wrote:It still should maintain relations to avoid war but it definitely must stop giving Israel weapons. But the real question is should the USA support Saudi Arabia?


I am equally against supporting Saudi Arabia.

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Postby Vecherd » Sun May 22, 2011 2:26 pm



Spoken like a true Socialist.
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Postby Zhugyu » Sun May 22, 2011 2:28 pm

Vecherd wrote:


Spoken like a true Socialist.


Why thank you.

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Postby Genivaria » Sun May 22, 2011 2:29 pm


How bout no? The idea is to stop pissing people off in general ,not piss off someone else.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Sun May 22, 2011 2:29 pm

Hell no. It damages our view in the eyes of many Middle Eastern countries that have to put up with it's shit, it's a loose cannon that doesn't respect us, and it's a needless drain on our aid efforts that could go to more worthwhile countries.
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Postby Vecherd » Sun May 22, 2011 2:29 pm

Zhugyu wrote:
Vecherd wrote:
Spoken like a true Socialist.


Why thank you.


Sometimes when Im in a conspiracy mood I wonder if all this boycott stuff is just to infringe free trade :eek:
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Postby EnragedMaldivians » Sun May 22, 2011 2:29 pm

Chinese Regions wrote:It still should maintain relations to avoid war but it definitely must stop giving Israel weapons. But the real question is should the USA support Saudi Arabia?


Until they run out of oil - and stop mattering to the U.S economy; yes.

And yes - they should continue supporting Israel, just not unconditionally in all that they do.
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Postby Genivaria » Sun May 22, 2011 2:30 pm

Should I be concerned that so many rightists agree with me on this?
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Postby Genivaria » Sun May 22, 2011 2:31 pm

Nightkill the Emperor wrote:
Terra Agora wrote:Should we trade with it? Yes
Should we stay "friends"? Sure
Should we support them militarily? No
Should we support everything they do? No

This.

This for ALL nations.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Sun May 22, 2011 2:32 pm

Genivaria wrote:Should I be concerned that so many rightists agree with me on this?

Yes. We should not remain 'Friends' with Israel. We shouldn't even remain allies. They are not an asset to us, they are only a drain, which counts out allies, and the idea of 'Friends' in international politics is laughable.
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