Should religion have a place in Schools

[MorrighanaWarGoddess]

No.

What would the atheists like me do. And what about the different views of religion.. You also say main religions. This includes hinduism and budhism. Those two religions are exteremely different from the other religions and are different from themselves. School is a place of learning useful things for life. Unless religion can be proven to be a great thing that gets you jobs and college acceptances, it should not be inside public schools.

However religon does has impacted history and society a great deal. In many places religion is the foundation of societies so to understand the religion of an area is to understand the sociology of the area. You can not say religion has not had a great impact on society.

[Rhodmhire]

To an extent, sure.

Don't teach them that the world is between 6,000-10,000 years old, though. Or, if you want to teach them the Judeo-Christian creationist story, you'd better give equal time not only to evolution, but all of the other dozens of myths from every other religious and ethnic group that ever existed.

But the creationists don't want that, for the most part. They also want to stray away from alchemy being taught in chemistry, which I find disturbing as I always wanted to be an alchemist.

Ah well. Hypocrisy stings, right?

[Flameswroth]

To an extent, sure.

Don't teach them that the world is between 6,000-10,000 years old, though. Or, if you want to teach them the Judeo-Christian creationist story, you'd better give equal time not only to evolution, but all of the other dozens of myths from every other religious and ethnic group that ever existed.

But the creationists don't want that, for the most part. They also want to stray away from alchemy being taught in chemistry, which I find disturbing as I always wanted to be an alchemist.

Ah well. Hypocrisy stings, right?

Oh lawd, is your avatar from the Mormon Jesus video? I lurrrv that video. Mormon Jesus is best Jesus.

[Rhodmhire]

Oh lawd, is your avatar from the Mormon Jesus video? I lurrrv that video. Mormon Jesus is best Jesus.

It's the scene when Elohim is about to rape have consensual sex with Mary, yes.

Mormon Jesus gave us freedom of choice. Mormon Jesus gave us our white skin. Mormon Jesus is worthy of our praise.

[Samuraikoku]

However religon does has impacted history and society a great deal. In many places religion is the foundation of societies so to understand the religion of an area is to understand the sociology of the area. You can not say religion has not had a great impact on society.

Explain to me how Japan is atheist or Shinto-Buddhist, then.

[F1-Insanity]

However religon does has impacted history and society a great deal. In many places religion is the foundation of societies so to understand the religion of an area is to understand the sociology of the area. You can not say religion has not had a great impact on society.

Indeed you can't say religion hasn't had a 'great' impact. So in schools, people should be taught how 'greatly' malign that impact has been througout the ages.

[Rhodmhire]

One can actually scientifically deductively prove that evolutionism is a religion. Therefor region is taught in most schools in the world as a required course. I'm trying really hard to not go crazy so I'll stop here.
However some school offer a world religions course as an option and I am fine with that.

What a load. Show me three scientifically peer-reviewed papers that "scientifically deductively prove that evolutionism is a religion." And why call it "evolutionism?" Do we call the acceptance of germ theory "germism?" Do we call the acceptance of gravitational theory "gravitationalism?" Do we call the acceptance of cell theory "cellism?"

No, we call them theories, not -isms. We're not talking about religions or political ideologies or economic systems, we're talking about theories, the most cherished things in all of science, the things that explain the laws, the observances. The "why?" part of the equation is the theory.

Bullshit it's a religion, we have no ritualistic practices, no holy text, even Darwin's book isn't so cherished that we read passages from it and blindly accept it like some religious manuscript found in the sand from thousands of years ago. Hell, we've not only expounded upon Darwin's original theory, we've filled in some of the holes he had to stop at to circumnavigate. We've patched up some of the holes too. The 1930s and beyond brought the advent of contemporary genetics, which to this day has essentially solidified the theory so much that we should be eager to teach it to children as unchallenged, because it is.

And do you really have to accept it anyways, even if it is required and you are being taught it in a mandatory biology course? Can't you, in your clandestine ignorance, reject it? Don't you have a home, a family, a group, a church you can run to where everything is magical and blessed?

And I'm fine with it too, I'm taking a World Religions course next year.

[Dusk_Kittens]

And if it does how should it be taught;
Extra curricular subject,
Voluntary subject,
Creationism, should it be allowed,
not at all,
blanket teach multiple religions alongside each other,
just the "main" ones,

Thoughts...?

My thoughts?

Religion should be taught in schools, and kids should grow up being well informed about all the major world faiths. After all, school is about learning and getting rid of ignorance, isn't it? Then why are we keeping knowledge about religion out of schools?

Teaching about the major world faiths alongside scientific theory in a non-biased, informative, and tolerant/respectful way can ensure that kids not only know their options for a disciplined and spiritual lifestyle (if they choose to follow one), but also grow up to be tolerant of other people's faiths.

Schools should teach whatever they want in Science class, but should also teach about world religions in Social Studies class.
Finally, allow school prayer again. Its discrimination to ban it.

I was with you up till the last sentence. Prayer in public schools is not "banned" -- anyone can pray in the public schools, if they do so silently and don't attempt to force others to participate. Public, directed prayer is disallowed, on the basis of the First Amendment. Those Christians who seek to restore public, directed prayer in the public schools are defying the teachings of their own religion: see Matthew VI, 1-6.

[Dusk_Kittens]

Another thing.
Science is something that can be deductively proven though experimentation. Only one of the six faces of Evolutionism can be proven Micoevolution i think.
It is basically where you get diffrent types of dogs.
The rest of evolution says that you came from dirt.
A dog and a coyote are related right?
A dog and a coyote and a wolf are related right?
A dog and a coyote and a wolf and a banana are related right?
That is evolutionism.

Dukis, really, have you ever read any of Darwin's writings? If not, then you should.

[Wiztopia]

And if it does how should it be taught;
Extra curricular subject,
Voluntary subject,
Creationism, should it be allowed,
not at all,
blanket teach multiple religions alongside each other,
just the "main" ones,

Thoughts...?

Schools should teach whatever they want in Science class, but should also teach about world religions in Social Studies class.
Finally, allow school prayer again. Its discrimination to ban it.

Are you seriously saying creationism should be taught in a science class? Because that is what you are implying.

[Norstal]

Later I will explain the dinosaurs with creationism if you want but I am out of time now.
If you are really curious about it google dragons in the bible or something.

Treasure chest.
The treasure chest was created after the youngest coin.
A ship sank you want to know when it sank find treasure chest that is what it means.

I could go on for hours.

How the fuck can a coin be "young". Coins don't grow.

[Samuraikoku]

Later I will explain the dinosaurs with creationism if you want but I am out of time now.
If you are really curious about it google dragons in the bible or something.

Treasure chest.
The treasure chest was created after the youngest coin.
A ship sank you want to know when it sank find treasure chest that is what it means.

I could go on for hours.

How the fuck can a coin be "young". Coins don't grow.

I guess he means the "newest" or "most recent".

[Norstal]

How the fuck can a coin be "young". Coins don't grow.

I guess he means the "newest" or "most recent".

It still doesn't make sense.

Also, I wasn't able to counter his argument because I had a math final in an hour. I'd presume you wouldn't wanna take it for me, would you?

[Samuraikoku]

I guess he means the "newest" or "most recent".

It still doesn't make sense.

Also, I wasn't able to counter his argument because I had a math final in an hour. I'd presume you wouldn't wanna take it for me, would you?

If I had been good at maths I wouldn't have gone to law school.

[Libertarian Mesa]

Evolution is still a theory. There is no more valid than creationism. Why not just teach both when so many people in so many countries adhere to a religion? I see no harm, both sides get their way.

[Norstal]

Evolution is still a theory. There is no more valid than creationism. Why not just teach both when so many people in so many countries adhere to a religion? I see no harm, both sides get their way.

1. Creationism is not a theory and a theory is a fact. You know what's not a fact? Your religion.

2. Teaching both can cause massive collapse in biochemistry, medicine, and biology, rendering these studies null and void. It can even bring back smallpox and polio.

[Samuraikoku]

1. Creationism is not a theory and a theory is a fact. You know what's not a fact? Your religion.

A theory isn't exactly a fact. It's a probable hypothesis from observable facts. But even if so, that claim of teaching religion to enforce democracy is bullshit.

[Libertarian Mesa]

Evolution is still a theory. There is no more valid than creationism. Why not just teach both when so many people in so many countries adhere to a religion? I see no harm, both sides get their way.

1. Creationism is not a theory and a theory is a fact. You know what's not a fact? Your religion.

2. Teaching both can cause massive collapse in biochemistry, medicine, and biology, rendering these studies null and void. It can even bring back smallpox and polio.

Creationism is a hypothesis about how the Earth was created, a theory. And how is that Christianity is not a fact?

I apologize if I'm stupid, but I'm not sure what you mean with 2. Could you elaborate a little more please?

[Samuraikoku]

Creationism is a hypothesis about how the Earth was created, a theory. And how is that Christianity is not a fact?

How is it that it IS a fact?

[Unchecked Expansion]

Evolution is still a theory. There is no more valid than creationism. Why not just teach both when so many people in so many countries adhere to a religion? I see no harm, both sides get their way.

Evolution is a fact. It's explained by a theory. Like gravity.
Are you worried that you will suddenly fly up off the earth? There's only a theory of gravity after all

[Libertarian Mesa]

Creationism is a hypothesis about how the Earth was created, a theory. And how is that Christianity is not a fact?

How is it that it IS a fact?

Many people believe. Make no mistake, it is certainly not saying the Bible is truth and should be forced on people, but it is no less powerful than evolution.

[Samuraikoku]

How is it that it IS a fact?

Many people believe. Make no mistake, it is certainly not saying the Bible is truth and should be forced on people, but it is no less powerful than evolution.

But you said Christianity is a fact. Believing doesn't mean it's a fact.

[Unchecked Expansion]

But you said Christianity is a fact. Believing doesn't mean it's a fact.

The existence of Christianity is a fact. Which says nothing about the validity of their mythology

[Norstal]

1. Creationism is not a theory and a theory is a fact. You know what's not a fact? Your religion.

2. Teaching both can cause massive collapse in biochemistry, medicine, and biology, rendering these studies null and void. It can even bring back smallpox and polio.

Creationism is a hypothesis about how the Earth was created, a theory. And how is that Christianity is not a fact?

1. No, it's a theory because it has evidence, has been experimented, analyzed, and concluded.

2. No, it conflicts with Islam, Buddhism, Judaism, and Christianity has over 100 sects within it. One cannot be more "truer" than the other.

I apologize if I'm stupid, but I'm not sure what you mean with 2. Could you elaborate a little more please?

"God did it" will make every hypothesis ever made to be a "fact", which means that no one has to create immunization anymore. No one has to do selective breeding. No one has to treat cancer anymore. It will cause the collapse of modern civilization, increasing hunger and epidemics of diseases.

[Samuraikoku]

But you said Christianity is a fact. Believing doesn't mean it's a fact.

The existence of Christianity is a fact. Which says nothing about the validity of their mythology

Evolution is also a fact. Carl Sagan gives an example.