Should religion have a place in Schools

[Norstal]

I am not disputing the fact that evolution exists it does. Things change over time.

Oh my god, he's whacked.

I am disputing the fact that evolution is how we got on this planet and how we were created.

That has shit all to do with evolution.

I am not disputing evolution I am disputing evolutionism. There is a very big diffrence.

I don't think you understand anything at this point. Evolutionism is evolution. Evolutionism is a fake term used by ID and creationists.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolutionism

[Keronians]

I am not disputing the fact that evolution exists it does. Things change over time.
I am disputing the fact that evolution is how we got on this planet and how we were created.
I am not disputing evolution I am disputing evolutionism. There is a very big diffrence.

Alright, and what's evolutionism?

I can verify that you are indeed right that evolution doesn't explain how life was created. Its aim wasn't that.

[Unhealthy2]

I am not disputing the fact that evolution exists it does. Things change over time.
I am disputing the fact that evolution is how we got on this planet and how we were created.
I am not disputing evolution I am disputing evolutionism. There is a very big diffrence.

I see, you're not a creationist troll. You're a concern troll.

[Augenstan]

I am not disputing evolution I am disputing evolutionism. There is a very big diffrence.

No, there isn't a big ''diffrence''. If you support evolution as true then you must recognize it as how man got here.

[Ifreann]

I am not disputing the fact that evolution exists it does. Things change over time.
I am disputing the fact that evolution is how we got on this planet and how we were created.
I am not disputing evolution I am disputing evolutionism. There is a very big diffrence.

What the fuck is evolutionism? Seriously, explain what the hell this thing is, because as far as I can tell, it's nothing more than a lie invented by Creationists in an attempt to discredit actual science.

[Dukis]

Evolutionism is what most people are taught in biology class. How the universe was created and how we all evolved from primordial soup and single celled organisms.
However that is a belief just like religion and it should be taught in schools like all other religions are taught. As a optional course.

[Unhealthy2]

What does "evolutionism" mean?

It means "Let's ignore the parts of science that deal with subjects that I don't want it to deal with, because it's always been my religion's historical privilege to deal with them exclusively."

[Norstal]

Evolutionism is what most people are taught in biology class. How the universe was created and how we all evolved from primordial soup and single celled organisms.
However that is a belief just like religion and it should be taught in schools like all other religions are taught. As a optional course.

Sometimes, I ponder about switching major to Physics and creating a giant death ray to destroy the world and erase ignorance.

They teach evolution in biology classes. Not "evolutionism".

[Augenstan]

Evolutionism is what most people are taught in biology class. How the universe was created and how we all evolved from primordial soup and single celled organisms.
However that is a belief just like religion and it should be taught in schools like all other religions are taught. As a optional course.

There is a difference between the big bang theory and evolution, just for your information. If you classify Evolution as a belief in the same category as religion then you must make it optional to learn about Leonardo Da Vanci because not everyone beliefs hes a good artist.

[Farnhamia]

Evolutionism is what most people are taught in biology class. How the universe was created and how we all evolved from primordial soup and single celled organisms.
However that is a belief just like religion and it should be taught in schools like all other religions are taught. As a optional course.

No, what you're talking about here is science. There is no such thing as "evolutionism," except as a word that the Creationists made up to make it look like they had a point. They don't, nor do you.

[Enadail]

Evolutionism is what most people are taught in biology class. How the universe was created and how we all evolved from primordial soup and single celled organisms.
However that is a belief just like religion and it should be taught in schools like all other religions are taught. As a optional course.

What you're describing is at least 2 to 3 different theories. Hell, you don't even have the same definition of evolutionism as most creationists. Lets try this again: its all a pile of shit.

Biology has nothing to do with the creation of the Universe. Evolution does not talk about how life started. You either paid no attention at all in biology, have never taken biology, or had the worst bio teacher ever.

Big Bang Theory talks about how the Universe started.
Abiogenisis talks about how life started.
Evolution talks about how life changes over time.

BBT and Evolution have strong support in the scientific community, with a lot of evidence backing them. They are not beliefs, in that they use facts. By definition, facts remove belief.

[Servantium]

I am disputing the fact that evolution is how we got on this planet and how we were created.

It's like you guys are talking to a wall. This point is addressed at least two times on this page alone.

[Keronians]

Evolutionism is what most people are taught in biology class. How the universe was created and how we all evolved from primordial soup and single celled organisms.
However that is a belief just like religion and it should be taught in schools like all other religions are taught. As a optional course.

Sometimes, I ponder about switching major to Physics and creating a giant death ray to destroy the world and erase ignorance.

They teach evolution in biology classes. Not "evolutionism".

I hear some places teach creationism, though.

When my biology teacher first introduced the topic of evolution to us (what was it, four years ago now?), her first sentence was:

"Now, I want you to know that I'm teaching real science here. In some schools in the US, you're banned from teaching creationism. However, true scientists and European governments realise that creationism is not a valid theory. That's why, we'll be learning about evolution."

[Unhealthy2]

It's like you guys are talking to a wall. This point is addressed at least two times on this page alone.

At least he stopped with the "nothing exploded" creationist trope.

[Norstal]

Sometimes, I ponder about switching major to Physics and creating a giant death ray to destroy the world and erase ignorance.

They teach evolution in biology classes. Not "evolutionism".

I hear some places teach creationism, though.

When my biology teacher first introduced the topic of evolution to us (what was it, four years ago now?), her first sentence was:

"Now, I want you to know that I'm teaching real science here. In some schools in the US, you're banned from teaching creationism. However, true scientists and European governments realise that creationism is not a valid theory. That's why, we'll be learning about evolution."

It's a Federal law to teach evolution, I think. The Monkey Scopes trial pretty much ended the evolution vs creationism debate. In the early 20th century. Imagine that.

[Dukis]

You people have no idea what I am saying. Try and read my posts for one instead of picking them apart and arguing with me.
Religion should be taught in schools that includes evolutionism.
When learned byology i learned evolutionism not evolution.

[Cilistia Novaren]

Sometimes, I ponder about switching major to Physics and creating a giant death ray to destroy the world and erase ignorance.

They teach evolution in biology classes. Not "evolutionism".

I hear some places teach creationism, though.

When my biology teacher first introduced the topic of evolution to us (what was it, four years ago now?), her first sentence was:

"Now, I want you to know that I'm teaching real science here. In some schools in the US, you're banned from teaching creationism. However, true scientists and European governments realise that creationism is not a valid theory. That's why, we'll be learning about evolution."

why can I never get the awesome teachers??? (pretty much a tag, I enjoy these types of discussions)

[Augenstan]

:palm:
You people have no idea what I am saying. Try and read my posts for one instead of picking them apart and arguing with me.
Religion should be taught in schools that includes evolutionism.
When learned byology i learned evolutionism not evolution.

No guys he is right you know? We shouldn't quote parts of his post and make responses under them to refute what he is saying. We shouldn't argue with him either, is this a debate forum? I think not. Don't make fun of him anymore, he has learned what ''byology'' is.

[Ifreann]

Evolutionism is what most people are taught in biology class. How the universe was created and how we all evolved from primordial soup and single celled organisms.
However that is a belief just like religion and it should be taught in schools like all other religions are taught. As a optional course.

So yes, it's a lie invented in an attempt to discredit actual science. Surprise levels remain steady at zero.

[Unhealthy2]

Delete this.

[Enadail]

:palm:
You people have no idea what I am saying. Try and read my posts for one instead of picking them apart and arguing with me.
Religion should be taught in schools that includes evolutionism.
When learned byology i learned evolutionism not evolution.

We are reading what you're writing. Its failing at every level.

Evolutionism is a made up word, an insult to science. Evolution is not a religion.

And given you studied "byology", I have no doubt you didn't learn Evolution. And like I said, you had to have had the worst "byo" teacher ever. What you're basically saying is you never learned evolution, you admittedly learned something else, but think that you know what science, evolution, etc actually are.

[Unhealthy2]

You people have no idea what I am saying.

Neither do you, because what you're saying makes no sense.

Try and read my posts for one instead of picking them apart and arguing with me.

Analyzing posts can only be done BY READING them.

Religion should be taught in schools that includes evolutionism.
When learned byology i learned evolutionism not evolution.

There is no "evolutionism."

[Cilistia Novaren]

:palm:
You people have no idea what I am saying. Try and read my posts for one instead of picking them apart and arguing with me.
Religion should be taught in schools that includes evolutionism.
When learned byology i learned evolutionism not evolution.

1. Is the point not to debate? (if you can call this a debate)

2. Again, we would request some sort of reason beyond 'its the right thing!!!' for this

3. Then I'm sorry, but your biology teacher was an idiot

[Salandriagado]

Right, I get it. You're not disputing evolution, you're disputing abiogenesis and cosmology. NOW we can start demolishing your arguments properly.

Abiogenesis:
1) It. Works. See here, and the various other experiments.
2) It requires vastly fewer assumptions than any other currently existing ideas about the origins of life
3) Therefore, it is the best currently existing model and is science
Quod Erat Demonstrandum

I'll leave the cosmology to Unhealthy2, since he knows more about that stuff than I do, but you should start with reading the link that he posted.

[The Kangaroo Republic]

Evolutionism is what most people are taught in biology class. How the universe was created and how we all evolved from primordial soup and single celled organisms.
However that is a belief just like religion and it should be taught in schools like all other religions are taught. As a optional course.

Sometimes, I ponder about switching major to Physics and creating a giant death ray to destroy the world and erase ignorance.

They teach evolution in biology classes. Not "evolutionism".

NOOOO! Then you'll also kill off all the kangaroos! I can't let you do that starfox!