Good police work or invasion of privacy... Or?

[Wesibaden]

i hope this asshole is found and have his balls chopped off I EXTREMELY hate rapist

[Samuraikoku]

i hope this asshole is found and have his balls chopped off I EXTREMELY hate rapist

What you need to chop off is not his testicles, but his head. That's where the problem resides.

[Wesibaden]

Sir you were swerving. I believe you are under the influence of drugs and have more drugs or paraphernalia in the vehicle. So are you going to let me search, or are we going to be waiting for the other officer?

We'll be waiting, and while we do, if you would be so kind as to give me your name and badge number.

Guess what? Police have the right to search your car with out a warrant and you could try to get him fired but you will fail

[Wesibaden]

i hope this asshole is found and have his balls chopped off I EXTREMELY hate rapist

What you need to chop off is not his testicles, but his head. That's where the problem resides.

But then he can't suffer

[Samuraikoku]

What you need to chop off is not his testicles, but his head. That's where the problem resides.

But then he can't suffer

Who said chopping his head was the ONLY thing you should do? There's plenty of fun you can have before the final decapitation blow.

Guess what? Police have the right to search your car with out a warrant and you could try to get him fired but you will fail

No they can't. The search is illegal.

[Sibirsky]

You're ticketed for driving without a license. Your car is impounded. Congratulations.

Why? It's completely legal. And even though I consented (had nothing to hide anyway), your search was illegal due to no warrant. Your whole proceedings are null and void.

BAZINGA!

That's not how it works. If you allow an officer to search your vehicle the search is legal. A permit allows someone to drive with a licensed driver in the car. I do not see another driver.

[Sibirsky]

But then he can't suffer

Who said chopping his head was the ONLY thing you should do? There's plenty of fun you can have before the final decapitation blow.

Guess what? Police have the right to search your car with out a warrant and you could try to get him fired but you will fail

No they can't. The search is illegal.

Yes, they can, and yes it's legal. You consented to the search. That's all it takes.

[Sibirsky]

Sir you were swerving. I believe you are under the influence of drugs and have more drugs or paraphernalia in the vehicle. So are you going to let me search, or are we going to be waiting for the other officer?

We'll be waiting, and while we do, if you would be so kind as to give me your name and badge number.

Officer Doreal. Badge number 5696. Please turn around and put your hands behind your back. It's important that you understand that you are being detained, but you are not under arrest. I am placing you in handcuffs for safety reasons. Thank you. Please take a seat over here on the curb, while we await the other officer.

[Samuraikoku]

Yes, they can, and yes it's legal. You consented to the search. That's all it takes.

My consent doesn't matter. This is a public investigation and it must be carried out according to the law. Everything else is illegal.

Why? It's completely legal. And even though I consented (had nothing to hide anyway), your search was illegal due to no warrant. Your whole proceedings are null and void.

BAZINGA!

That's not how it works. If you allow an officer to search your vehicle the search is legal. A permit allows someone to drive with a licensed driver in the car. I do not see another driver.

Not under the law I'm in (Argentina). And besides, no cop would be dumb enough to ask you for permission to search the car. They'd rather get the warrant.

So we're dealing over a hypothetical case which would never happen out of common sense.

[Wesibaden]

But then he can't suffer

Who said chopping his head was the ONLY thing you should do? There's plenty of fun you can have before the final decapitation blow.

Guess what? Police have the right to search your car with out a warrant and you could try to get him fired but you will fail

No they can't. The search is illegal.

Yes they can the search is legal wanna know why? car has wheels it can disappear a house / shed doesn't so your shit outta luck they can

Edit: well in the US they can it is common sense to search a vehicule since it could move to a different country ANYTHING with a wheels can be searched

[Sibirsky]

That's not how it works. If you allow an officer to search your vehicle the search is legal. A permit allows someone to drive with a licensed driver in the car. I do not see another driver.

Not under the law I'm in (Argentina). And besides, no cop would be dumb enough to ask you for permission to search the car. They'd rather get the warrant.

So we're dealing over a hypothetical case which would never happen out of common sense.

In the US, it's legal if the driver lets you search. It's standard procedure to ask first, as most people have no idea they can just say no, and in that case he can't search without a warrant. They ask, the driver says yes, they search. If the person says no, they'll try to guilt the person into letting the cop search, rather than wait several hours for a warrant.

[Samuraikoku]

In the US, it's legal if the driver lets you search. It's standard procedure to ask first, as most people have no idea they can just say no, and in that case he can't search without a warrant. They ask, the driver says yes, they search. If the person says no, they'll try to guilt the person into letting the cop search, rather than wait several hours for a warrant.

Too bad "COPS" isn't an example of how American policemen follow the law. LOL

And even so, they should warn the driver beforehand that their consent makes the search legal. Otherwise it's still against the Miranda Act (self-incrimination).

[Greed and Death]

Not under the law I'm in (Argentina). And besides, no cop would be dumb enough to ask you for permission to search the car. They'd rather get the warrant.

So we're dealing over a hypothetical case which would never happen out of common sense.

In the US, it's legal if the driver lets you search. It's standard procedure to ask first, as most people have no idea they can just say no, and in that case he can't search without a warrant. They ask, the driver says yes, they search. If the person says no, they'll try to guilt the person into letting the cop search, rather than wait several hours for a warrant.

Don't forget asking in such away that the hearer might interpret it as a order rather than a question.

[Sibirsky]

In the US, it's legal if the driver lets you search. It's standard procedure to ask first, as most people have no idea they can just say no, and in that case he can't search without a warrant. They ask, the driver says yes, they search. If the person says no, they'll try to guilt the person into letting the cop search, rather than wait several hours for a warrant.

Too bad "COPS" isn't an example of how American policemen follow the law. LOL

And even so, they should warn the driver beforehand that their consent makes the search legal. Otherwise it's still against the Miranda Act (self-incrimination).

Who said anything about COPS?

From the cops' perspective, why should they give the suspect a clue to possibly refuse the search? If the driver says yes, it's legal. Miranda rights are for arrests, not searches.

[Samuraikoku]

Who said anything about COPS?

From the cops' perspective, why should they give the suspect a clue to possibly refuse the search? If the driver says yes, it's legal. Miranda rights are for arrests, not searches.

In the show "COPS" they use that tactic all the time. And Miranda rights should be parallelled to something less grave than an arrest as searches are. That's how it would work here under our Constitution.

[Wesibaden]

Not under the law I'm in (Argentina). And besides, no cop would be dumb enough to ask you for permission to search the car. They'd rather get the warrant.

So we're dealing over a hypothetical case which would never happen out of common sense.

In the US, it's legal if the driver lets you search. It's standard procedure to ask first, as most people have no idea they can just say no, and in that case he can't search without a warrant. They ask, the driver says yes, they search. If the person says no, they'll try to guilt the person into letting the cop search, rather than wait several hours for a warrant.

Unless the cops ask to search the car then he can don't need no warrant to search a car i know this because i'm going to become a cop And MY Dad's cousin IS a cop

[Caninope]

In the US, it's legal if the driver lets you search. It's standard procedure to ask first, as most people have no idea they can just say no, and in that case he can't search without a warrant. They ask, the driver says yes, they search. If the person says no, they'll try to guilt the person into letting the cop search, rather than wait several hours for a warrant.

Too bad "COPS" isn't an example of how American policemen follow the law. LOL

And even so, they should warn the driver beforehand that their consent makes the search legal. Otherwise it's still against the Miranda Act (self-incrimination).

This has nothing to do with the show.

Nor does Miranda apply here. Miranda applies upon arrest and/or custodial interrogation, not voluntary searches of property.

[Caninope]

In the US, it's legal if the driver lets you search. It's standard procedure to ask first, as most people have no idea they can just say no, and in that case he can't search without a warrant. They ask, the driver says yes, they search. If the person says no, they'll try to guilt the person into letting the cop search, rather than wait several hours for a warrant.

Unless the cops ask to search the car then he can don't need no warrant to search a car i know this because i'm going to become a cop And MY Dad's cousin IS a cop

That's only true in certain situations. When a cop has a car stopped over for another offense (speeding), he can search the car/have a dog sniff it, but he cannot just do it randomly.

[M4NETH3R3N]

First off, any half-way decent person would obviously want the perpetrator of such a crime caught and persecuted to the full extent of the law... if not killed out-right.

The one problem I have with your little scenario is the assumtion that police do and indeed should be able to locate anyone via their cell-phone. Cell-phones are tools which, from my understanding, were designed to enable the convience of tele-communication when away from the home and lan line. Not to be a means by which goverment agencies can track and keep tabs on whomever they desire, whenever they please, for whatever reason. That potential use of our modern tele-communication infrastructure is deeply troubling and brings to mind the movie "enemy of the state", in which such abuses were illustrated.

[Sibirsky]

In the US, it's legal if the driver lets you search. It's standard procedure to ask first, as most people have no idea they can just say no, and in that case he can't search without a warrant. They ask, the driver says yes, they search. If the person says no, they'll try to guilt the person into letting the cop search, rather than wait several hours for a warrant.

Unless the cops ask to search the car then he can don't need no warrant to search a car i know this because i'm going to become a cop And MY Dad's cousin IS a cop

Did I say otherwise?

[Samuraikoku]

Nor does Miranda apply here. Miranda applies upon arrest and/or custodial interrogation, not voluntary searches of property.

I've explained how it would work under MY law. Besides, there's a flaw on consent if not fully informed previously.

[Caninope]

Nor does Miranda apply here. Miranda applies upon arrest and/or custodial interrogation, not voluntary searches of property.

I've explained how it would work under MY law. Besides, there's a flaw on consent if not fully informed previously.

No there's not. The fact that he's asking implies you can answer no.

[Samuraikoku]

No there's not. The fact that he's asking implies you can answer no.

I'd like to know the consequences of saying "yes" and "no" before I make a decision.

[Brandenburg-Altmark]

No there's not. The fact that he's asking implies you can answer no.

I'd like to know the consequences of saying "yes" and "no" before I make a decision.

There are no consequences to saying no to a police officer when he asks you for permission to do something. They sure as hell love to hint otherwise, though.

[Samuraikoku]

There are no consequences to saying no to a police officer when he asks you for permission to do something. They sure as hell love to hint otherwise, though.

Precisely why I would ask him "What consequences does my consent have?"