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Postby Charlotte Ryberg » Wed May 18, 2011 9:53 am

In my opinion, a museum and multicultural centre to unite faiths.

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Postby Risottia » Wed May 18, 2011 10:14 am

NeoByzantine wrote:Over 1000 years ago the great church of Hagia Sophia was built then as Constantinople fell Hagia Sophia was converted to a Mosque and now its a museum. What do u feel it should. And please do not pick your side because you are a radical, but pick the side you truly believe is right


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Postby Ceannairceach » Wed May 18, 2011 11:36 am

A cultural muesem, preferebly showing the great mixing of Eastern European and Turkish/Arab culture.

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Postby Coffee Cakes » Wed May 18, 2011 11:46 am

It should be a museum... of history or culture preferably.
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Postby Brandenburg-Altmark » Wed May 18, 2011 12:40 pm

It was the greatest Mosque on earth for a long time, but the Ottomans saw fit to convert it into a Museum. That's how it will stay. Istanbul has enough Mosques anyway, really. Got to love the Ottomans, building a new Mosque in Istanbul every time they won a conflict.
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Postby Angleter » Wed May 18, 2011 12:42 pm

Brandenburg-Altmark wrote:It was the greatest Mosque on earth for a long time, but the Ottomans saw fit to convert it into a Museum. That's how it will stay. Istanbul has enough Mosques anyway, really. Got to love the Ottomans, building a new Mosque in Istanbul every time they won a conflict.


The Ottomans didn't, Ataturk did. And he didn't like religion all that much.
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Postby Voltronica » Wed May 18, 2011 12:43 pm

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Postby Tekania » Wed May 18, 2011 12:46 pm

Voltronica wrote:A Mega-Mall fully equipped with a worldly food court.


They can sell Pope-on-a-Rope and pork shish kabobs
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Postby Greater Tezdrian » Wed May 18, 2011 12:46 pm

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Postby Sdaeriji » Wed May 18, 2011 1:05 pm

Turn it into a Wendy's.
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Postby Greed and Death » Wed May 18, 2011 1:06 pm

Museum. LEt building belong to all Turks, and let us learn about its history.
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Postby Farnhamia » Wed May 18, 2011 1:06 pm

Sdaeriji wrote:Turn it into a Wendy's.

It's big enough, you could have one of each kind of American fast food joints in there, plus parking!
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Postby Ragnarsdomr » Wed May 18, 2011 1:16 pm

Orthodox Church. Seeing as the Patriarch has to have been born in Constantinople, it's only right that they at least allow them their building back so they can hopefully attract Greeks back.

Unless Turkey is finally going to admit that they killed the Armenians. Take your pick, though, Turkey. Genocide or let the Patriarch have his fancy church back?



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Postby Sdaeriji » Wed May 18, 2011 1:21 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Sdaeriji wrote:Turn it into a Wendy's.

It's big enough, you could have one of each kind of American fast food joints in there, plus parking!


Yeah, but it's the Hagia Sophia, so you'd have to retain some class. No Denny's.
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Postby Farnhamia » Wed May 18, 2011 1:21 pm

Sdaeriji wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:It's big enough, you could have one of each kind of American fast food joints in there, plus parking!


Yeah, but it's the Hagia Sophia, so you'd have to retain some class. No Denny's.

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Postby Gauthier » Wed May 18, 2011 1:33 pm

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Postby The Archregimancy » Wed May 18, 2011 1:40 pm

I would be lying if I didn't admit that, in my heart of hearts, I would love to see the Orthodox liturgy performed regularly in Hagia Sophia again - but realistically, I've missed the sailing of that particular boat by some 558 years. It's never going to happen.

So over here in the real world.... Ataturk's decision to turn it into a museum was a excellent one, immediately neutralising most of the religious arguments that surround the building, and also thereby allowing a genuine appreciation of both its Orthodox and Muslim past as there's now no religious obstacle to selectively displaying the surviving Byzantine mosaics. Religious worship by either Christians or Muslims is strictly forbidden, and the prohibition equally applied to both groups (though I understand that there's a small prayer room for use of staff of either religion discreetly hidden in the staff sections).

I last visited Hagia Sophia in 2008. To be honest, unless you have a very good guide book, or - like me - some interest in and awareness of Byzantine history, art and architecture, there's a real danger that you'll find it to be a disappointing experience. True, it's a monumentally impressive building on the inside, but there are almost no interpretive panels anywhere; so if you don't know much about any of those saints in the upper level, or who Zoe Porphyrogenita and Constantine IX Monomachus were, what those marble 'doors' are doing on the upper level, or just why it's so ironic that the only visible grave marker in the interior should read 'Henricus Dandalo', then the monumental size of the place may be all that you take away. Certainly you have to know where the 10th/11th century Varangian Guard graffiti is, because you'll never find it on your own.

It's an incredibly impressive structure, and despite the reservations I've just written, I'm very glad that it's a museum, and I would strongly recommend a visit. Under present circumstances, its museum status is by far the best and fairest of solutions.

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Postby Fedeledland » Wed May 18, 2011 1:42 pm

I'd wish it to remain a museum.
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Postby Bitchkitten » Wed May 18, 2011 1:45 pm

Mueum, hopefully. Memorializing all the silliness, intolerance and strife historically caused by religion. At least I hope so. I hope mankind will stop being held hostage by such superstition. It'll be like the memorial at Auschwitz, sort of a "never again" memorial.

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Postby Fartsniffage » Wed May 18, 2011 1:46 pm

The Archregimancy wrote:I would be lying if I didn't admit that, in my heart of hearts, I would love to see the Orthodox liturgy performed regularly in Hagia Sophia again - but realistically, I've missed the sailing of that particular boat by some 558 years. It's never going to happen.

So over here in the real world.... Ataturk's decision to turn it into a museum was a excellent one, immediately neutralising most of the religious arguments that surround the building, and also thereby allowing a genuine appreciation of both its Orthodox and Muslim past as there's now no religious obstacle to selectively displaying the surviving Byzantine mosaics. Religious worship by either Christians or Muslims is strictly forbidden, and the prohibition equally applied to both groups (though I understand that there's a small prayer room for use of staff of either religion discreetly hidden in the staff sections).

I last visited Hagia Sophia in 2008. To be honest, unless you have a very good guide book, or - like me - some interest in and awareness of Byzantine history, art and architecture, there's a real danger that you'll find it to be a disappointing experience. True, it's a monumentally impressive building on the inside, but there are almost no interpretive panels anywhere; so if you don't know much about any of those saints in the upper level, or who Zoe Porphyrogenita and Constantine IX Monomachus were, what those marble 'doors' are doing on the upper level, or just why it's so ironic that the only visible grave marker in the interior should read 'Henricus Dandalo', then the monumental size of the place may be all that you take away. Certainly you have to know where the 10th/11th century Varangian Guard graffiti is, because you'll never find it on your own.

It's an incredibly impressive structure, and despite the reservations I've just written, I'm very glad that it's a museum, and I would strongly recommend a visit. Under present circumstances, its museum status is by far the best and fairest of solutions.


Why does the only visible grave marker in the interior read 'Henricus Dandalo'?

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Postby Al-Harakut al-Islami » Wed May 18, 2011 1:46 pm

It should be what it is now -- a museum. I would like it to be a mosque, but I feel like a museum makes more sense and would offend less people.
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Postby Oterro » Wed May 18, 2011 1:49 pm

Al-Harakut al-Islami wrote:It should be what it is now -- a museum. I would like it to be a mosque, but I feel like a museum makes more sense and would offend less people.


Why would you like it to be a mosque?
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Postby Meowfoundland » Wed May 18, 2011 1:52 pm

It should just stay a museum. That way, all can enjoy it.
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