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by Charlotte Ryberg » Wed May 18, 2011 9:53 am
by Risottia » Wed May 18, 2011 10:14 am
NeoByzantine wrote:Over 1000 years ago the great church of Hagia Sophia was built then as Constantinople fell Hagia Sophia was converted to a Mosque and now its a museum. What do u feel it should. And please do not pick your side because you are a radical, but pick the side you truly believe is right
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by Brandenburg-Altmark » Wed May 18, 2011 12:40 pm
by Angleter » Wed May 18, 2011 12:42 pm
Brandenburg-Altmark wrote:It was the greatest Mosque on earth for a long time, but the Ottomans saw fit to convert it into a Museum. That's how it will stay. Istanbul has enough Mosques anyway, really. Got to love the Ottomans, building a new Mosque in Istanbul every time they won a conflict.
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by Farnhamia » Wed May 18, 2011 1:06 pm
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by Fartsniffage » Wed May 18, 2011 1:46 pm
The Archregimancy wrote:I would be lying if I didn't admit that, in my heart of hearts, I would love to see the Orthodox liturgy performed regularly in Hagia Sophia again - but realistically, I've missed the sailing of that particular boat by some 558 years. It's never going to happen.
So over here in the real world.... Ataturk's decision to turn it into a museum was a excellent one, immediately neutralising most of the religious arguments that surround the building, and also thereby allowing a genuine appreciation of both its Orthodox and Muslim past as there's now no religious obstacle to selectively displaying the surviving Byzantine mosaics. Religious worship by either Christians or Muslims is strictly forbidden, and the prohibition equally applied to both groups (though I understand that there's a small prayer room for use of staff of either religion discreetly hidden in the staff sections).
I last visited Hagia Sophia in 2008. To be honest, unless you have a very good guide book, or - like me - some interest in and awareness of Byzantine history, art and architecture, there's a real danger that you'll find it to be a disappointing experience. True, it's a monumentally impressive building on the inside, but there are almost no interpretive panels anywhere; so if you don't know much about any of those saints in the upper level, or who Zoe Porphyrogenita and Constantine IX Monomachus were, what those marble 'doors' are doing on the upper level, or just why it's so ironic that the only visible grave marker in the interior should read 'Henricus Dandalo', then the monumental size of the place may be all that you take away. Certainly you have to know where the 10th/11th century Varangian Guard graffiti is, because you'll never find it on your own.
It's an incredibly impressive structure, and despite the reservations I've just written, I'm very glad that it's a museum, and I would strongly recommend a visit. Under present circumstances, its museum status is by far the best and fairest of solutions.
by Al-Harakut al-Islami » Wed May 18, 2011 1:46 pm
Nationstatelandsville wrote:
Can you imagine how awkward that would be?
"Mom, Dad... I'm an owl."
"Wha... what?!"
"I know, I know. I..."
"Can you stop being an owl?"
"Mom, it's not a choice."
"NO SON OF MINE CAN BE AN OWL!"
"Dad! It's not even physically possible! Christ, how can you be racist against something you didn't know existed until 5 seconds ago?!"
"Do you have an owlfriend?"
"Yes Mom. His name is Damien."
by Oterro » Wed May 18, 2011 1:49 pm
Al-Harakut al-Islami wrote:It should be what it is now -- a museum. I would like it to be a mosque, but I feel like a museum makes more sense and would offend less people.
by Meowfoundland » Wed May 18, 2011 1:52 pm
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