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Reziel
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Postby Reziel » Tue May 17, 2011 10:03 am

Arumdaum wrote:Now read it again, and new meaning shall shine through and open your eyes to the truth.

hey... with that premises, indeed the new meaning shone in my eyes, LULZ! Sorry for the complete misreading, mate! :hug:


I'm also Asian-American, which is a minority. I'm also atheist, which is a minority. I'm parts of lots of minorities.

... then you're probably a gay penguin riding a lesbian whale. and do not forget: you're guilty for each and any left-handed-kiddo-beating which will happen in the next few hours. Shame on you.

Now I have to go and brush my teeth to highlight my shining and clean non-gayness.
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Postby Arumdaum » Tue May 17, 2011 10:06 am

Reziel wrote:
Arumdaum wrote:Now read it again, and new meaning shall shine through and open your eyes to the truth.

hey... with that premises, indeed the new meaning shone in my eyes, LULZ! Sorry for the complete misreading, mate! :hug:


I'm also Asian-American, which is a minority. I'm also atheist, which is a minority. I'm parts of lots of minorities.

... then you're probably a gay penguin riding a lesbian whale. and do not remember: you're guilty for each and any left-handed-kiddo-beating which will happen in the next few hours. Shame on you.

Now I have to go and brush my teeth to highlight my shining and clean non-gayness.

Eh, I'm fine with it.

We're all lesbian-whale riding gay penguins in one way or another. :hug:
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Postby Belkaros » Tue May 17, 2011 10:06 am

I think that sexual orientation should not be a factor in personal liberty, and personally think that to suggest otherwise is draconian. That being said, transgender people weird me out, but that doesn't mean I think they deserve to have their rights infringed upon. I also find clowns weird, but that doesn't mean I think they shouldn't be allowed to marry other clowns, not to say transgender people are clowns. Unless of course they are literally clowns, in which case I find them double weird, but still support their rights.

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Postby Arumdaum » Tue May 17, 2011 10:09 am

Belkaros wrote:I think that sexual orientation should not be a factor in personal liberty, and personally think that to suggest otherwise is draconian. That being said, transgender people weird me out, but that doesn't mean I think they deserve to have their rights infringed upon. I also find clowns weird, but that doesn't mean I think they shouldn't be allowed to marry other clowns, not to say transgender people are clowns. Unless of course they are literally clowns, in which case I find them double weird, but still support their rights.

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This is similar to my own opinion....
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Postby Marcheria » Tue May 17, 2011 10:11 am

Arumdaum wrote:
Belkaros wrote:I think that sexual orientation should not be a factor in personal liberty, and personally think that to suggest otherwise is draconian. That being said, transgender people weird me out, but that doesn't mean I think they deserve to have their rights infringed upon. I also find clowns weird, but that doesn't mean I think they shouldn't be allowed to marry other clowns, not to say transgender people are clowns. Unless of course they are literally clowns, in which case I find them double weird, but still support their rights.

:lol:

This is similar to my own opinion....

Terry the Transgender clown? Sounds like a bad SNL bit.
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Postby MorrighanaWarGoddess » Tue May 17, 2011 10:12 am

Great Anthonland wrote:Tell me what you think about LGBT (Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender) rights. And also explain why you hold that view.


I think they should have the same rights as everyone else and sexuality shouldn't be an issue. On the same token I do believe in the don't ask don't tell policy in the military for various reason's including the protection of the people, at the same time I don't think straight people should be open about being straight in the military, in other words, sexuality doesn't have a place in the military or in any work force. It just shouldn't be discussed. As far as marriage goes, I believe in civil unions which have all the same benefits and draw backs of regular marriage just not called marriage. the reason is that marriage was always a religious ceremony to unite two people before God. Only until about a 100 years ago the government had no involvement in marriage, as they shouldn't. We need to go back to that, where marriage is a union between two people. Homosexuals can have their unions as well though the Church should not be forced to perform the ceremony , which at this point in some places to deny the ceremony could lead to the church loosing their tax exempt status, which they shouldn't get either. I'm not really a Christian and I am bisexual, I wanted to state that because I know the GLBT community doesn't hold to the same ideas that I do, though I don't know why. Sexuality shouldn't be forced on anyone in anyway. I don't agree with gay pride parades and all of that other crap. sexuality is something personal within a person and a person with their partner. I feel that applies to straight people as well. I think our society is far too focused on sexuality and sex which takes a lot of the beauty out of something that should be natural and private. The intimacy gets taken out of sex in our society stripping it of what it should be, a sacred union between two people who love each other and want to connect on a physical level as well as mental and spiritual level.

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Postby Tekania » Tue May 17, 2011 10:15 am

Quandarm wrote:What you do in your own home is fine. I dont like it but...
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STOP SHOVING IT DOWN MY THROAT!
good night you would think that half the population was homosexual. every show, every movie, every book. Stop pandering, Stop shoving.
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The guy is an idiot. I pegged that as soon as he connected the gay-marriage issue to churches being forced to marry two dudes, and then attempted to turn it into religious liberties issue. The simply fact is that entire argument is a complete fucking lie by people who seem to not grasp that (1) Churches don't actually "lose" their tax-exempt status, they are exempt simply be existing as churches, (2) that they would not be forced to perform marriages of anyone as they already can simply not marry people they don't want to now for all sorts of reasons and (3) misses complete the concept that the real religious liberty issue here is that they deny marital rights to people who would get married in church who WOULD PERFORM their ceremonies... So if anyone is arguing denying people religious liberties, it is that asshole in your posted video.
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Postby Soheran » Tue May 17, 2011 10:15 am

NeoByzantine wrote:3 i have nothing against gays, i have many gay and bisexual friends. 4 going to hell if your gay is a tennet of my religion, not my belief so forgive for being religious.


So do your "many gay and bisexual friends" know that you think, when they die, they're going to endure agonizing torment for eternity because they're gay or bisexual?

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Postby Soheran » Tue May 17, 2011 10:23 am

MorrighanaWarGoddess wrote:On the same token I do believe in the don't ask don't tell policy in the military for various reason's including the protection of the people, at the same time I don't think straight people should be open about being straight in the military, in other words, sexuality doesn't have a place in the military or in any work force.


So, should any soldier be discharged for mentioning their significant other? Or for wearing a wedding ring? Really?

the reason is that marriage was always a religious ceremony to unite two people before God. Only until about a 100 years ago the government had no involvement in marriage, as they shouldn't. We need to go back to that, where marriage is a union between two people.


Actually, marriage has been civil for much longer than a century...

Homosexuals can have their unions as well


Do you think straight people should be able to get marriages from the state? Do you think gay people should be able to get married religiously?

though the Church should not be forced to perform the ceremony , which at this point in some places to deny the ceremony could lead to the church loosing their tax exempt status,


No, it couldn't. This is just nonsense. Religions discriminate against whom they allow to get religiously-married all the time, and have never been deprived of their tax-exempt status.

sexuality is something personal within a person and a person with their partner.


No, it isn't. Relationships, marriages, families are public, social things. To some extent (e.g. among your friends), attractions and sexual experiences are too. This is why being "in the closet" is so painful, and why forcing closeting (like Don't Ask Don't Tell) is so unjust. We know all of this with respect to straight people, and straight people are (rightly) never socially-sanctioned for referring to their partners or their marriages, or for holding hands in public, or for kisses that remain on the right side of decency. But all of a sudden, when it's gay people doing it, sexuality in any manner whatsoever is not to be discussed at all, ever.

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Postby Asclepion » Tue May 17, 2011 10:23 am

Marcheria wrote:
Arumdaum wrote: :lol:

This is similar to my own opinion....

Terry the Transgender clown? Sounds like a bad SNL bit.

More like a good MAD show bit, amirite?

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Postby Norstal » Tue May 17, 2011 10:24 am

Asclepion wrote:
Marcheria wrote:Terry the Transgender clown? Sounds like a bad SNL bit.

More like a good MAD show bit, amirite?

Haaaaaaaaah.

Too bad Fox canceled them. The bastards.
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Postby Arumdaum » Tue May 17, 2011 10:28 am

MorrighanaWarGoddess wrote:
Great Anthonland wrote:Tell me what you think about LGBT (Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender) rights. And also explain why you hold that view.

the reason is that marriage was always a religious ceremony to unite two people before God.

Um, no, it wasn't.
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Postby Assadiana » Tue May 17, 2011 10:28 am

we the people of savannah nation of assadiana think that its a barbaric act and should be outlawed

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Postby Umbra Ac Silentium » Tue May 17, 2011 10:29 am

Assadiana wrote:we the people of savannah nation of assadiana think that its a barbaric act and should be outlawed

Out of character forum, mate.

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Postby Tekania » Tue May 17, 2011 10:38 am

MorrighanaWarGoddess wrote:As far as marriage goes, I believe in civil unions which have all the same benefits and draw backs of regular marriage just not called marriage. the reason is that marriage was always a religious ceremony to unite two people before God.


What the hell does whether or not participants believe that there is a religious component to marriage have to do with whether or not gays should be allowed (in the course of civil law) to marry? I ask this seriously, because when you assert the idea that it is religious, you turn it into a religious liberties issue, which then subsequently backfires on you, as there are indeed religions supportive of and who will perform same-sex marriages, thus making even raising the argument pointless.... Whenever I see someone going "Well, they should have civil unions, and not marriage, because marriage is religious" what they are really saying is "I want to use the civil law to legislate my religious belief upon everyone". And in order to stop that kind of shit is WHY we have a principal of separating Church and State.... By what reasoning of Religious Liberties does the Southern Baptists get "marriage" for all their members, while Unitarian Universalists only get it for some, and "civil unions" for others?
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Postby Freelanderness » Tue May 17, 2011 10:38 am

The Truth and Light wrote:
Quandarm wrote:What you do in your own home is fine. I dont like it but...
(this will sound unfortunate)
STOP SHOVING IT DOWN MY THROAT!
good night you would think that half the population was homosexual. every show, every movie, every book. Stop pandering, Stop shoving.
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a lot of this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmEux9PlOj4

Shoving... down your throat? My dad tried to force me to be straight, and I get told this?

I had to close that video less than halfway through... I started getting the urge to stop thinking.

And truth and light :hug:
All these countries allow same-sex marriage...
Argentina
Belgium
Canada
Iceland
Netherlands
Norway
Portugal
South Africa
Spain
Sweden

the US and everywhere else will come around and people who base their opinions off of youtube will be forced to find something else to be stupid about.
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Postby Norstal » Tue May 17, 2011 10:44 am

Freelanderness wrote:
The Truth and Light wrote:Shoving... down your throat? My dad tried to force me to be straight, and I get told this?

I had to close that video less than halfway through... I started getting the urge to stop thinking.

And truth and light :hug:
All these countries allow same-sex marriage...
Argentina
Belgium
Canada
Iceland
Netherlands
Norway
Portugal
South Africa
Spain
Sweden

the US and everywhere else will come around and people who base their opinions off of youtube will be forced to find something else to be stupid about.

I think some states in the U.S allows gay marriage. Like Massachusetts.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_m ... sachusetts

Same with Canada, I believe. My friend in Alberta told me it's banned.
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Postby Freelanderness » Tue May 17, 2011 10:53 am

Norstal wrote:
Freelanderness wrote:I had to close that video less than halfway through... I started getting the urge to stop thinking.

And truth and light :hug:
All these countries allow same-sex marriage...
Argentina
Belgium
Canada
Iceland
Netherlands
Norway
Portugal
South Africa
Spain
Sweden

the US and everywhere else will come around and people who base their opinions off of youtube will be forced to find something else to be stupid about.

I think some states in the U.S allows gay marriage. Like Massachusetts.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_m ... sachusetts

Same with Canada, I believe. My friend in Alberta told me it's banned.

No sir, that would be where I am from, and there would be protests galore if that were true.
And I was only listing the countries, CT, DC, IA, MA, NH, VT, and Coquille all allow same-sex marriage.
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Postby Norstal » Tue May 17, 2011 10:58 am

Freelanderness wrote:No sir, that would be where I am from, and there would be protests galore if that were true.
And I was only listing the countries, CT, DC, IA, MA, NH, VT, and Coquille all allow same-sex marriage.

Really? I might've misquoted him then. I'm going to ask him again today. He is gay, so he wouldn't lie about this.
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Postby Freelanderness » Tue May 17, 2011 11:14 am

Norstal wrote:
Freelanderness wrote:No sir, that would be where I am from, and there would be protests galore if that were true.
And I was only listing the countries, CT, DC, IA, MA, NH, VT, and Coquille all allow same-sex marriage.

Really? I might've misquoted him then. I'm going to ask him again today. He is gay, so he wouldn't lie about this.

Before the national legislation, we were not one of the provinces that allowed it, but we have since 2005.
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Postby The Ruivan Empire » Tue May 17, 2011 11:25 am

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Norstal wrote:Yes yes. I don't believe fundamentalists should get married either. We need less fundamentalists, not more.

funny 1 I AM NOT A F-ing BAPTIST. 2 NOR AM I FUNDALMENTILIST,3 i have nothing against gays, i have many gay and bisexual friends. 4 going to hell if your gay is a tennet of my religion, not my belief so forgive for being religious. 4 go eastern orthodox

what is the difference between eastern orthodox and Christianity if any? im just curious. because i have never met anyone who follows it.
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Postby Tekania » Tue May 17, 2011 11:37 am

The ruivan Empire wrote:
NeoByzantine wrote: funny 1 I AM NOT A F-ing BAPTIST. 2 NOR AM I FUNDALMENTILIST,3 i have nothing against gays, i have many gay and bisexual friends. 4 going to hell if your gay is a tennet of my religion, not my belief so forgive for being religious. 4 go eastern orthodox

what is the difference between eastern orthodox and Christianity if any? im just curious. because i have never met anyone who follows it.


That's kind of like asking what the difference is between someone from Bristol, Tennessee and an American.
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Postby Kreigan » Tue May 17, 2011 12:04 pm

MorrighanaWarGoddess wrote:
Great Anthonland wrote:Tell me what you think about LGBT (Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender) rights. And also explain why you hold that view.


I think they should have the same rights as everyone else and sexuality shouldn't be an issue. On the same token I do believe in the don't ask don't tell policy in the military for various reason's including the protection of the people, at the same time I don't think straight people should be open about being straight in the military, in other words, sexuality doesn't have a place in the military or in any work force. It just shouldn't be discussed. As far as marriage goes, I believe in civil unions which have all the same benefits and draw backs of regular marriage just not called marriage. the reason is that marriage was always a religious ceremony to unite two people before God. Only until about a 100 years ago the government had no involvement in marriage, as they shouldn't. We need to go back to that, where marriage is a union between two people. Homosexuals can have their unions as well though the Church should not be forced to perform the ceremony , which at this point in some places to deny the ceremony could lead to the church loosing their tax exempt status, which they shouldn't get either. I'm not really a Christian and I am bisexual, I wanted to state that because I know the GLBT community doesn't hold to the same ideas that I do, though I don't know why. Sexuality shouldn't be forced on anyone in anyway. I don't agree with gay pride parades and all of that other crap. sexuality is something personal within a person and a person with their partner. I feel that applies to straight people as well. I think our society is far too focused on sexuality and sex which takes a lot of the beauty out of something that should be natural and private. The intimacy gets taken out of sex in our society stripping it of what it should be, a sacred union between two people who love each other and want to connect on a physical level as well as mental and spiritual level.


Actually your wrong, marriage originally was a pagan ritual of which the father exchanged his daughter to another man for money or property. Women werrent looked at as people but more as property and so christanity and other religons took that and made it a ceremony involving god. Yet its funny that most divorces come from religous people who marry under god.
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Postby Kreigan » Tue May 17, 2011 12:11 pm

NeoByzantine wrote:i have no problems with gays, but be gay ur going to hell


Ah ok so someone whos homosexual and was born that way is going to burn in hell because your god made them that way? Yep sounds just like what the Abrahamic god would do...make someone then become angry with them and kill them or damn them to eternal torture.
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Postby Tekania » Tue May 17, 2011 12:13 pm

Kreigan wrote:Actually your wrong, marriage originally was a pagan ritual of which the father exchanged his daughter to another man for money or property. Women werrent looked at as people but more as property and so christanity and other religons took that and made it a ceremony involving god. Yet its funny that most divorces come from religous people who marry under god.


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