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Postby Umbra Ac Silentium » Mon May 16, 2011 5:40 pm

Mikeackistan wrote:
Soheran wrote:
God told me last night that all those passages in the Bible are lies inserted by bigoted humans. He clarified to me that he actually strongly supports gay people, consensual, pleasurable, and loving gay sex, and gay marriage, and is furious at how all His so-called followers are treating gay people.

My claim is just as reliable as yours.

I'm just saying what I, the founding fathers, and the majority of American citizens believe. Thats why it isn't legal. Because even though politicians are scandalous thugs, they still make descisions based on what they believe in, and it cleary states in the bible a man shall love his woman and bear fruit with her, not HE.

Even if the founding fathers thought so, what does it matter? They're not gods. They're not omnipotent. No, they were people with biases of their own. Hell, some of them flat out tried to trample on the damn constitution they wrote. Bible? It has no place in the laws of a Secular nation.

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Postby Mikeackistan » Mon May 16, 2011 5:41 pm

Also,
Leviticus 18:22, 24

Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind, it is abomination. Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things

Leviticus 20:13

If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Deuteronomy 23:17-18

There shall be no whore of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel.

Thou shalt not bring the hire of a whore, or the price of a dog, into the house of the LORD thy God for any vow: for even both these are abomination unto the LORD thy God.

1 Kings 14:22, 24

And Judah did evil in the sight of the LORD, and they provoked him to jealousy with their sins which they had committed, above all that their fathers had done.

And there were also sodomites in the land: and they did according to all the abominations of the nations which the LORD cast out before the children of Israel.

1 Kings 15:11-12

And Asa did that which was right in the eyes of the LORD, as did David his father.

And he took away the sodomites out of the land, and removed all the idols that his fathers had made.

1 Kings 22:42-46

Jehoshaphat was thirty and five years old when he began to reign; and he reigned twenty and five years in Jerusalem. . . .

And he walked in all the ways of Asa his father; he turned not aside from it, doing that which was right in the eyes of the LORD: . . .

And the remnant of the sodomites, which remained in the days of his father Asa, he took out of the land.

2 Kings 23:3, 7

And the king stood by a pillar, and made a covenant before the LORD, to walk after the LORD, and to keep his commandments and his testimonies and his statutes with all their heart and all their soul, to perform the words of this covenant that were written in this book. And all the people stood to the covenant.

And he brake down the houses of the sodomites, that were by the house of the LORD, where the women wove hangings for the grove.

Romans 1:26-27

For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their woman did change the natural use into that which is against nature.

And like wise the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another: men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

Hebrews 13:4

Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge.

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Postby Ravineworld » Mon May 16, 2011 5:43 pm

being a bisexual libertarian, I believe that the government should get out of marriage completely
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Postby Marcheria » Mon May 16, 2011 5:45 pm

Mikeackistan wrote:Also,


Leviticus 20:13

If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Deuteronomy 23:17-18

There shall be no whore of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel.

Thou shalt not bring the hire of a whore, or the price of a dog, into the house of the LORD thy God for any vow: for even both these are abomination unto the LORD thy God.

1 Kings 14:22, 24

And Judah did evil in the sight of the LORD, and they provoked him to jealousy with their sins which they had committed, above all that their fathers had done.

And there were also sodomites in the land: and they did according to all the abominations of the nations which the LORD cast out before the children of Israel.

1 Kings 15:11-12

And Asa did that which was right in the eyes of the LORD, as did David his father.

And he took away the sodomites out of the land, and removed all the idols that his fathers had made.

1 Kings 22:42-46

Jehoshaphat was thirty and five years old when he began to reign; and he reigned twenty and five years in Jerusalem. . . .

And he walked in all the ways of Asa his father; he turned not aside from it, doing that which was right in the eyes of the LORD: . . .

And the remnant of the sodomites, which remained in the days of his father Asa, he took out of the land.

2 Kings 23:3, 7

And the king stood by a pillar, and made a covenant before the LORD, to walk after the LORD, and to keep his commandments and his testimonies and his statutes with all their heart and all their soul, to perform the words of this covenant that were written in this book. And all the people stood to the covenant.

And he brake down the houses of the sodomites, that were by the house of the LORD, where the women wove hangings for the grove.

Romans 1:26-27

For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their woman did change the natural use into that which is against nature.

And like wise the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another: men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

Hebrews 13:4

Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge.

And yet, how did the writers of the bible know that this was god's true mindset? For all we know, the Bible is just one big fiction collection!
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Postby Farnhamia » Mon May 16, 2011 5:45 pm

Mikeackistan wrote:Also,
Leviticus 18:22, 24

Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind, it is abomination. Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things

Leviticus 20:13

If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Deuteronomy 23:17-18

There shall be no whore of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel.

Thou shalt not bring the hire of a whore, or the price of a dog, into the house of the LORD thy God for any vow: for even both these are abomination unto the LORD thy God.

1 Kings 14:22, 24

And Judah did evil in the sight of the LORD, and they provoked him to jealousy with their sins which they had committed, above all that their fathers had done.

And there were also sodomites in the land: and they did according to all the abominations of the nations which the LORD cast out before the children of Israel.

1 Kings 15:11-12

And Asa did that which was right in the eyes of the LORD, as did David his father.

And he took away the sodomites out of the land, and removed all the idols that his fathers had made.

1 Kings 22:42-46

Jehoshaphat was thirty and five years old when he began to reign; and he reigned twenty and five years in Jerusalem. . . .

And he walked in all the ways of Asa his father; he turned not aside from it, doing that which was right in the eyes of the LORD: . . .

And the remnant of the sodomites, which remained in the days of his father Asa, he took out of the land.

2 Kings 23:3, 7

And the king stood by a pillar, and made a covenant before the LORD, to walk after the LORD, and to keep his commandments and his testimonies and his statutes with all their heart and all their soul, to perform the words of this covenant that were written in this book. And all the people stood to the covenant.

And he brake down the houses of the sodomites, that were by the house of the LORD, where the women wove hangings for the grove.

Romans 1:26-27

For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their woman did change the natural use into that which is against nature.

And like wise the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another: men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

Hebrews 13:4

Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge.

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Postby Farnhamia » Mon May 16, 2011 5:45 pm

Ravineworld wrote:being a bisexual libertarian, I believe that the government should get out of marriage completely

Good for you. Go sit quietly in the "Government Out of Marriage" corner, please.
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Postby Hittanryan » Mon May 16, 2011 5:50 pm

They're people, aren't they? QED They get the same rights as everyone else.

Mikeackistan wrote:in a nation founded under God i dont think homosexuality should be allowed. Come on does anyone listen to the pledge of alliegance they sing every morning?


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Postby Mythryll » Mon May 16, 2011 5:50 pm

Marcheria wrote:
Mikeackistan wrote:Also,


Leviticus 20:13

If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Deuteronomy 23:17-18

There shall be no whore of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel.

Thou shalt not bring the hire of a whore, or the price of a dog, into the house of the LORD thy God for any vow: for even both these are abomination unto the LORD thy God.

1 Kings 14:22, 24

And Judah did evil in the sight of the LORD, and they provoked him to jealousy with their sins which they had committed, above all that their fathers had done.

And there were also sodomites in the land: and they did according to all the abominations of the nations which the LORD cast out before the children of Israel.

1 Kings 15:11-12

And Asa did that which was right in the eyes of the LORD, as did David his father.

And he took away the sodomites out of the land, and removed all the idols that his fathers had made.

1 Kings 22:42-46

Jehoshaphat was thirty and five years old when he began to reign; and he reigned twenty and five years in Jerusalem. . . .

And he walked in all the ways of Asa his father; he turned not aside from it, doing that which was right in the eyes of the LORD: . . .

And the remnant of the sodomites, which remained in the days of his father Asa, he took out of the land.

2 Kings 23:3, 7

And the king stood by a pillar, and made a covenant before the LORD, to walk after the LORD, and to keep his commandments and his testimonies and his statutes with all their heart and all their soul, to perform the words of this covenant that were written in this book. And all the people stood to the covenant.

And he brake down the houses of the sodomites, that were by the house of the LORD, where the women wove hangings for the grove.

Romans 1:26-27

For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their woman did change the natural use into that which is against nature.

And like wise the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another: men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

Hebrews 13:4

Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge.

And yet, how did the writers of the bible know that this was god's true mindset? For all we know, the Bible is just one big fiction collection!

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Postby Farnhamia » Mon May 16, 2011 5:51 pm

Mikeackistan wrote:in a nation founded under God i dont think homosexuality should be allowed. Come on does anyone listen to the pledge of alliegance they sing every morning?

The Pledge dates from the end of the 19th century, and "under God" wasn't added until 1954. So, no.
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Postby Soheran » Mon May 16, 2011 5:57 pm

Mikeackistan wrote:I'm just saying what I, the founding fathers, and the majority of American citizens believe.


The majority of American citizens, according to polls, believe that homosexuality is morally acceptable, that gay relationships with children are families, and that same-sex marriage should be legal.

The last result is probably unreliable, but the trend is pretty clear, so...

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Postby Draconian Races » Mon May 16, 2011 6:02 pm

Sprye wrote:
Terra Mariana wrote: For regulars, what goes on behind the closed doors of their bedrooms is none of my concern, as long it stays behind closed door. However, a certain minority of homos seem to have this massive inferiority complex that makes them want to rub their gayness in everyone's face through LGBT Pride and campaigning, and this is the kind of people I'd have beaten with a big shitty stick.


If you stayed behind a closed door yourself, then you wouldn't have to deal with either type. It's a win-win!


Agreed! Out of sight, out of mind.
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Postby Farnhamia » Mon May 16, 2011 6:03 pm

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If you stayed behind a closed door yourself, then you wouldn't have to deal with either type. It's a win-win!


Agreed! Out of sight, out of mind.

Good. So now all heterosexuals will stay in closets and let us homosexuals run the world for a while. You know, because you guys have done such a bang-up job.
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Postby Draconian Races » Mon May 16, 2011 6:06 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Draconian Races wrote:
Agreed! Out of sight, out of mind.

Good. So now all heterosexuals will stay in closets and let us homosexuals run the world for a while. You know, because you guys have done such a bang-up job.


Actually, I mean no one discuss sexuality or show it openly. Lets just stop it all from both sides, and thered be no problem :P


And actually, I think homosexuals would just lead us down a bad path. Id rather start a straight vs homo war (literal war. Guns and tanks and aircraft) than allow them to take control of ANYTHING. But, sadly, I dont have the power to start a war.
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Draconian Races wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:Good. So now all heterosexuals will stay in closets and let us homosexuals run the world for a while. You know, because you guys have done such a bang-up job.


Actually, I mean no one discuss sexuality or show it openly. Lets just stop it all from both sides, and thered be no problem :P


And actually, I think homosexuals would just lead us down a bad path. Id rather start a straight vs homo war (literal war. Guns and tanks and aircraft) than allow them to take control of ANYTHING. But, sadly, I dont have the power to start a war.

How would homosexuals "lead us down a bad path"?
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Draconian Races wrote:Actually, I mean no one discuss sexuality or show it openly. Lets just stop it all from both sides, and thered be no problem :P


Nah, I think I'll continue talking openly about sex and sexuality whenever the fancy strikes me. No problem for me...if it's a problem for you, then feel free to not go out in public. :)
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Farnhamia wrote:
Draconian Races wrote:
Actually, I mean no one discuss sexuality or show it openly. Lets just stop it all from both sides, and thered be no problem :P


And actually, I think homosexuals would just lead us down a bad path. Id rather start a straight vs homo war (literal war. Guns and tanks and aircraft) than allow them to take control of ANYTHING. But, sadly, I dont have the power to start a war.

How would homosexuals "lead us down a bad path"?

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Bottle wrote:
Draconian Races wrote:Actually, I mean no one discuss sexuality or show it openly. Lets just stop it all from both sides, and thered be no problem :P


Nah, I think I'll continue talking openly about sex and sexuality whenever the fancy strikes me. No problem for me...if it's a problem for you, then feel free to not go out in public. :)


Itd be nice if America took a cue from the Soviets.

"Antisocial activity" I believe the term was?
Homosexuals had to stay in the closet due to the USSR's rules on homosexuality...

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Postby Farnhamia » Mon May 16, 2011 6:11 pm

Buffett and Colbert wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:How would homosexuals "lead us down a bad path"?

We're horrible tour guides.

I think some of us would be fabulous tour guides.
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Postby Buffett and Colbert » Mon May 16, 2011 6:12 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Buffett and Colbert wrote:We're horrible tour guides.

I think some of us would be fabulous tour guides.

Well, fabulous at any rate.
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Postby Seperates » Mon May 16, 2011 6:12 pm

Draconian Races wrote:
Bottle wrote:Nah, I think I'll continue talking openly about sex and sexuality whenever the fancy strikes me. No problem for me...if it's a problem for you, then feel free to not go out in public. :)


Itd be nice if America took a cue from the Soviets.

"Antisocial activity" I believe the term was?
Homosexuals had to stay in the closet due to the USSR's rules on homosexuality...

One of the few times I think the Soviets were smarter than the West.

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Draconian Races wrote:
Bottle wrote:Nah, I think I'll continue talking openly about sex and sexuality whenever the fancy strikes me. No problem for me...if it's a problem for you, then feel free to not go out in public. :)


Itd be nice if America took a cue from the Soviets.

"Antisocial activity" I believe the term was?
Homosexuals had to stay in the closet due to the USSR's rules on homosexuality...

One of the few times I think the Soviets were smarter than the West.

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Postby Seperates » Mon May 16, 2011 6:13 pm

Buffett and Colbert wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:I think some of us would be fabulous tour guides.

Well, fabulous at any rate.

Gay people are the best tour guides. They always know the best bars.
This Debate is simply an exercise in Rhetoric. Truth is a fickle being with no intentions of showing itself today.

Non fui, fui, non sum, non curo

"The most important fact about us: that we are greater than the institutions and cultures we build."--Roberto Mangabeira Unger

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Postby Cameroi » Mon May 16, 2011 6:13 pm

the more people quote christianity as an excuse for evil, the harder it is for anyone to think of christianity as anything other then evil.

harassment of anyone for their differences from one's self or one's ideals, is a hate crime.
of course i have to admit to being guilty of hatting bigotry of all stripes.
truth isn't what i say. isn't what you say. isn't what anybody says. truth is what is there, when no one is saying anything.

"economic freedom" is "the cake"
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Postby TheRightWay » Mon May 16, 2011 6:13 pm

Draconian Races wrote:
Bottle wrote:Nah, I think I'll continue talking openly about sex and sexuality whenever the fancy strikes me. No problem for me...if it's a problem for you, then feel free to not go out in public. :)


Itd be nice if America took a cue from the Soviets.

"Antisocial activity" I believe the term was?
Homosexuals had to stay in the closet due to the USSR's rules on homosexuality...

One of the few times I think the Soviets were smarter than the West.

Why have they not yet had enough hardship and harm come to them as a result of being oppressed outright and overtly?
Let they be loved and cherished openly like everyone should be with equal rights in the eyes of the law and the people

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