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Postby Conserative Morality » Tue May 17, 2011 2:31 pm

Hathradic States wrote:And I am a lover of theology. Still, this agruements are rusted at best.

Da richtete sich die Stimme ein zweites Mal an ihn: Was Gott fur rein erklart, nenne du nicht unrein Apostelgeschitchte 10:5

Using that vision, Peter basically said that it was okay to eat once unclean animals. That would be undoing part of the law, and therefor all of it.

The word of Peter trumps the word of Jesus?
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Postby Hathradic States » Tue May 17, 2011 2:34 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Hathradic States wrote:And I am a lover of theology. Still, this agruements are rusted at best.

Da richtete sich die Stimme ein zweites Mal an ihn: Was Gott fur rein erklart, nenne du nicht unrein Apostelgeschitchte 10:5

Using that vision, Peter basically said that it was okay to eat once unclean animals. That would be undoing part of the law, and therefor all of it.

The word of Peter trumps the word of Jesus?

Actually, that would be the words of the Angel who gave Peter the vision, who is the messenger of God. Peter merely told them to Luke when Luke wrote Acts.

Also, I apologize for the non-English. I only have a German Bible and I am not motivated enough to translate it.

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Postby Flameswroth » Tue May 17, 2011 2:34 pm

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Hathradic States wrote:And I am a lover of theology. Still, this agruements are rusted at best.

Da richtete sich die Stimme ein zweites Mal an ihn: Was Gott fur rein erklart, nenne du nicht unrein Apostelgeschitchte 10:5

Using that vision, Peter basically said that it was okay to eat once unclean animals. That would be undoing part of the law, and therefor all of it.

The word of Peter trumps the word of Jesus?

I'm still trying to process how fulfilling one law results in all the laws being null and void, personally. That seems like a huge leap in logic. It's not like a big tower of Jenga blocks that collapses when one is taken away or replaced...
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Postby Coffee Cakes » Tue May 17, 2011 2:36 pm

Tekania wrote:Pfft, The Religious Right, hypocrites, complaining about the filth of Television, and gays and protecting their children while giving their kids this kind of smut to read stuff like Ezekiel 23:16-21


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Um... I'm a member of the "Religious Right" and have no problem with TV, gays, and other stuff.
and I read that passage as a kid, mind you.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Tue May 17, 2011 2:36 pm

Hathradic States wrote:Actually, that would be the words of the Angel who gave Peter the vision, who is the messenger of God. Peter merely told them to Luke when Luke wrote Acts.

Also, I apologize for the non-English. I only have a German Bible and I am not motivated enough to translate it.

Acts, I believe. And if the word of God, as given to Peter by an angel, as given to the rest of the world by Peter, trumps the word of God himself (Assuming a trinitarian worldview)?
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Postby Tekania » Tue May 17, 2011 2:36 pm

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Tekania wrote:there is a distinct difference between for example, two consenting adults engaging in a sexual act


Why "consenting adults"? If one must be an adult to consent, "adult" is contained within "consenting". If not, why say "consenting adults"?


Actually, no, I would have been better to phrase it as "legally consenting person(s)", as being adult does not automatically grant the power of legal consent (ex. cases of Adult Guardianship).
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Postby Conserative Morality » Tue May 17, 2011 2:37 pm

Flameswroth wrote:I'm still trying to process how fulfilling one law results in all the laws being null and void, personally. That seems like a huge leap in logic. It's not like a big tower of Jenga blocks that collapses when one is taken away or replaced...

I have come to fulfill THE LAW. Not a law in particular, the law, the law of the Old Testament. Not destroy them. Christians should still be stoning witches if contradiction of the Bible on any level is not permitted.
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Postby Hathradic States » Tue May 17, 2011 2:39 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Hathradic States wrote:Actually, that would be the words of the Angel who gave Peter the vision, who is the messenger of God. Peter merely told them to Luke when Luke wrote Acts.

Also, I apologize for the non-English. I only have a German Bible and I am not motivated enough to translate it.

Acts, I believe. And if the word of God, as given to Peter by an angel, as given to the rest of the world by Peter, trumps the word of God himself (Assuming a trinitarian worldview)?

I never understood why they call the book "Acts". Well, I do, but I could have named it so much better.

To some it does. Evidently most, as only a few Christians I know hesitate to eat pork. (I, myself, do not eat pork, but that is for different reasons)

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Postby Ceannairceach » Tue May 17, 2011 2:40 pm

Hathradic States wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:Acts, I believe. And if the word of God, as given to Peter by an angel, as given to the rest of the world by Peter, trumps the word of God himself (Assuming a trinitarian worldview)?

I never understood why they call the book "Acts". Well, I do, but I could have named it so much better.

To some it does. Evidently most, as only a few Christians I know hesitate to eat pork. (I, myself, do not eat pork, but that is for different reasons)

Because pork sucks, ammirite? Perhaps the Jews were onto something...

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Postby Conserative Morality » Tue May 17, 2011 2:40 pm

Hathradic States wrote:I never understood why they call the book "Acts". Well, I do, but I could have named it so much better.

To some it does. Evidently most, as only a few Christians I know hesitate to eat pork. (I, myself, do not eat pork, but that is for different reasons)

In other words, you admit that my original point was correct: contradiction of the Bible /=/ Invalid theology.
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Postby Geniasis » Tue May 17, 2011 2:41 pm

Ceannairceach wrote:
Hathradic States wrote:I never understood why they call the book "Acts". Well, I do, but I could have named it so much better.

To some it does. Evidently most, as only a few Christians I know hesitate to eat pork. (I, myself, do not eat pork, but that is for different reasons)

Because pork sucks, ammirite? Perhaps the Jews were onto something...


How dare you, sir. Bacon is a sacred ambrosia from God.
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DaWoad wrote:nah, she only fought because, as everyone knows, the brits can't make a decent purse to save their lives and she had a VERY important shopping trip coming up!


Reichskommissariat ost wrote:Women are as good as men , I dont know why they constantly whine about things.


Euronion wrote:because how dare me ever ever try to demand rights for myself, right men, we should just lie down and let the women trample over us, let them take awa our rights, our right to vote will be next just don't say I didn't warn ou

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Postby Ceannairceach » Tue May 17, 2011 2:42 pm

Geniasis wrote:
Ceannairceach wrote:Because pork sucks, ammirite? Perhaps the Jews were onto something...


How dare you, sir. Bacon is a sacred ambrosia from God.

Yes, turkey and beef bacon are good.

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Postby Tekania » Tue May 17, 2011 2:42 pm

Hathradic States wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:Acts, I believe. And if the word of God, as given to Peter by an angel, as given to the rest of the world by Peter, trumps the word of God himself (Assuming a trinitarian worldview)?

I never understood why they call the book "Acts". Well, I do, but I could have named it so much better.

To some it does. Evidently most, as only a few Christians I know hesitate to eat pork. (I, myself, do not eat pork, but that is for different reasons)


It's not really "The Book of Acts", it's "The Acts of The Apostles"
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Postby Geniasis » Tue May 17, 2011 2:44 pm

Ceannairceach wrote:Yes, turkey and beef bacon are good.


Filthy heretic.

*spits*
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Myrensis wrote:I say turn it into a brothel, that way Muslims and Christians can be offended together.


DaWoad wrote:nah, she only fought because, as everyone knows, the brits can't make a decent purse to save their lives and she had a VERY important shopping trip coming up!


Reichskommissariat ost wrote:Women are as good as men , I dont know why they constantly whine about things.


Euronion wrote:because how dare me ever ever try to demand rights for myself, right men, we should just lie down and let the women trample over us, let them take awa our rights, our right to vote will be next just don't say I didn't warn ou

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Postby Tekania » Tue May 17, 2011 2:46 pm

Geniasis wrote:
Ceannairceach wrote:Yes, turkey and beef bacon are good.


Filthy heretic.

*spits*


If they shall make bacon out of birds or cattle, thou shalt take them out of the encampment and burn them as an offering to the lord, saving the fatiest bits for thy bakes beans.
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Postby Niur » Tue May 17, 2011 2:53 pm

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Maddtopia wrote:Gay=STUPID


My boyfriend and I are actually very intelligent.


Actually, assuming he means the meaning of gay as "having or showing a merry, lively mood", and as the old adage goes, ignorance is bliss, then according to the Law of Syllogism, if ignorance is bliss and bliss is gay then ignorance is gay. As ignorance is a synonym for stupid and "is" means = in logic, his statement could be true. However, this is assuming that the converse of the first statement is true. Which is fallacious to assume, unless you can verify that bliss is ignorance.

Of course one could argue that knowledge could never really be known, as Plato might, and yet happiness might be, in which case in order to happy you also have to be ignorant. Of course on the other hand, is not to know happiness, the same as being happy? And if one cannot know for certain one cannot be happy for certain. Therein lies the real question. How can we ascertain as to what someone is, which in this case seems to be enjoying a quality of actual happiness, if we cannot know for certain what happiness is? Which means ignorance is bliss is an irellevent statement, because one cannot know what ignornace is nor what bliss is.

Yet scientifically we do know that bliss is the reaction between certain chemicals and certain neurons, so bliss cannot be unknown, meaning that, according to the Law of Contrapositive, if bliss is not unknown, then ignorance is not unknown. Yet this means that we must know what knowledge is? And yet how can that be? What is knowledge?
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Postby Meryuma » Tue May 17, 2011 3:30 pm

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Postby Freelanderness » Tue May 17, 2011 4:31 pm

Ceannairceach wrote:
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How dare you, sir. Bacon is a sacred ambrosia from God.

Yes, turkey and beef bacon are good, but pork bacon is the best.

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Postby Coffee Cakes » Tue May 17, 2011 4:34 pm

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Well, it was an impressive post. It kicked @$$.
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Poor child. That is A-Ha or however it is spelled, and is one of the best '80s pop songs.

I know, its just that I prefer the ska version.
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Postby The Truth and Light » Tue May 17, 2011 5:40 pm

I suppose a more intelligent proposition would be, "What do your views on homosexual rights matter?"

Because after all, this is America, and the opinion concerned is that of those whose rights are in question.

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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Tue May 17, 2011 6:09 pm

They're people, same as everyone else. And they deserve respect. Why I hold this view? Because I consider them with the same rights as me.
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Postby Geniasis » Tue May 17, 2011 6:18 pm

The Truth and Light wrote:I suppose a more intelligent proposition would be, "What do your views on homosexual rights matter?"

Because after all, this is America, and the opinion concerned is that of those whose rights are in question.


To which the proper answer is really that nobody's opinion matters. The Constitution demands that equal rights be applied across the board, whether others want you to have them, or even if you--for some inexplicable reason--didn't want them.
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Reichskommissariat ost wrote:Women are as good as men , I dont know why they constantly whine about things.


Euronion wrote:because how dare me ever ever try to demand rights for myself, right men, we should just lie down and let the women trample over us, let them take awa our rights, our right to vote will be next just don't say I didn't warn ou

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Postby Sociobiology » Tue May 17, 2011 6:54 pm

I demand for every man and woman the same rights I demand for myself.
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